I think MTN to HTN is the biggest difference

[Deleted member 15827]

I don't think you'll see a huge QOL difference going from a tall HTN to chadlite. At HTN you're already appealing to a vast majority of women. Since genetic recombination is a thing if you have good genes you don't need to be perfect, you're already very attractive- especially if tall.

I went from MTN to HTN ( in some angles) in India w height halo and I get IOIs everywhere I go now. Normies now think I'm some social circle maxxed slayer but I just rot in house lol. But the difference is there, now once I cement my HTN position with weight loss mse and skin care I don't think psl would Matter much irl. I will just focus on getting a better physique. Chad is obviously a better QOL but the difference from MTN to HTN in terms of QOL is less than HTN to chad. Only 1 percentage chad gets movie offers and modelling offers and that too if he meets the reqd height

Tldr: tall HTN is enough for most of us

 

[Deleted member 20098]

Ok

 

[HerpDerpson]

Subhuman to LTN? Although both are invisible to women.

 

[Deleted member 18931]

Subhuman to LTN? Although both are invisible to women.

yeah it's definitely this. A subhuman is horrendous to look at but if they go to LTN they are still kinda unattractive but not horrendously ugly.

 

[Virgin at 29 😔]

Unr ethnic your smv is capped at MTN.
@StreegeReturn @PCT01 look at this coper

 

[TsarTsar444]

absolute teracope. the returns on looks are exponential up until chad territory. the proof of that is all over tinder experiments.

a small boost in looks unlocks a huge pool of women who now deem you worthy as a partner.

that’s why gigachads get 99+ in 30 minutes and htns get 99+ in several days. “muh diminishing returns bro”

you have no comprehension of how a full blown chad gets treated in everyday life

He is comparing going from one looks level to the next, why are you comparing gigachads which I would assume you mean top tier male model tier guys with HTN?

An actual comparison would be comparing HTN to a Chadlite. The difference in matches won't be as great as the difference between a MTN and HTN

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Unr ethnic your smv is capped at MTN.
@StreegeReturn @PCT01 look at this coper

Nah im not that bad fam.
But the requirement is harsher on an ethnic ye

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Not true that HTN are attractive to vast majority of women- if you’re HTN probably about 5-20% of women find you attractive.

Average man is attractive to about 1-5% of women

Chad is attractive to nearly all women

 

[Deleted member 18840]

He is comparing going from one looks level to the next, why are you comparing gigachads which I would assume you mean top tier male model tier guys with HTN?

An actual comparison would be comparing HTN to a Chadlite. The difference in matches won't be as great as the difference between a MTN and HTN

To me, chadlite and htn is life and day difference. Htn is your everyday gl guy. Chadlite is 1 in a day or a week

I don't think you'll see a huge QOL difference going from a tall HTN to chadlite. At HTN you're already appealing to a vast majority of women. Since genetic recombination is a thing if you have good genes you don't need to be perfect, you're already very attractive- especially if tall.

I went from MTN to HTN ( in some angles) in India w height halo and I get IOIs everywhere I go now. Normies now think I'm some social circle maxxed slayer but I just rot in house lol. But the difference is there, now once I cement my HTN position with weight loss mse and skin care I don't think psl would Matter much irl. I will just focus on getting a better physique. Chad is obviously a better QOL but the difference from MTN to HTN in terms of QOL is less than HTN to chad. Only 1 percentage chad gets movie offers and modelling offers and that too if he meets the reqd height

Tldr: tall HTN is enough for most of us

 

[Deleted member 19896]

Yup, doesn't hold up if you don't have the height part though

 

[Virgin at 29 😔]

Not true that HTN are attractive to vast majority of women- if you’re HTN probably about 5-20% of women find you attractive.

Average man is attractive to about 1-5% of women

Chad is attractive to nearly all women

Htn is nothing special girls wont approach you, maybe once a year

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Yup, doesn't hold up if you don't have the height part though

You just need big dick energy

 

[Deleted member 18840]

it was to illustrate that looks in increase = exponential returns

plus he even said in op that MTN to HTN mogs HTN to chad

and yes, htn to chadlite is a way bigger diff than mtn to htn. mtn and htn get relatively similar matches because neither of them really meet the looks threshold for tinder girls or GL girls.

Agreed, for once.

 

[LightSkinNoob]

Not sure about that, I just 15 people rate me, and it was pretty much a 50/50 split I was a MTN or a high tier normie, I think chadlite is a complete different realm.

 

[Deleted member 3828]

I don't think you'll see a huge QOL difference going from a tall HTN to chadlite. At HTN you're already appealing to a vast majority of women. Since genetic recombination is a thing if you have good genes you don't need to be perfect, you're already very attractive- especially if tall.

I went from MTN to HTN ( in some angles) in India w height halo and I get IOIs everywhere I go now. Normies now think I'm some social circle maxxed slayer but I just rot in house lol. But the difference is there, now once I cement my HTN position with weight loss mse and skin care I don't think psl would Matter much irl. I will just focus on getting a better physique. Chad is obviously a better QOL but the difference from MTN to HTN in terms of QOL is less than HTN to chad. Only 1 percentage chad gets movie offers and modelling offers and that too if he meets the reqd height

Tldr: tall HTN is enough for most of us

Listen to Jocko Willink, David Goggins, Sylvester Stallone

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

it was to illustrate that looks in increase = exponential returns

plus he even said in op that MTN to HTN mogs HTN to chad

and no, htn to chadlite is a way bigger diff than mtn to htn. mtn and htn get relatively similar matches because neither of them really meet the looks threshold for tinder girls or GL girls.

In terms of slaying HTN to Chadlite is where it really starts to get good

In terms of general treatment in everyday life probably subhuman to LTN is the biggest difference

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Htn is nothing special girls wont approach you, maybe once a year

I’ve been approached a handful of times and I’m MTN- think having a high trust face is a much to do with getting approached as your PSL

 

[Lawton88]

Well a tall HTN is almost like being a Chadlite so it's not a good comparison.

 

[Virgin at 29 😔]

I’ve been approached a handful of times and I’m MTN- think having a high trust face is a much to do with getting approached as your PSL

U probably go to clubs alot and r white

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

hedonistically the biggest reduction in suffering happens from deformed -> regular ugly (instead of being viewed as a disgusting swamp troll with no hope of living a normal life you’ll at least be treated like a human)

and the biggest increase in happiness happens from chad -> gigachad (can successfully profit off your looks, treated like a god 24/7)

so OP is wrong either way. realistically not much changes in your life from anywhere between LTN to HTN. that’s why they’re all in the fucking normie category. it should be common sense

High IQ post tbh

Normie tier is where people stop being disgusted by your presence

Chadlite tier is where you start slaying hot girls consistently

Gigachad tier is why your looks can carry you through life in every single aspect - money, status, etc - you basically get payed and adored just to exist

 

[Deleted member 12128]

HTN to chadlite is the biggest diff tbh

 

[Deleted member 20056]

Yes pretty much you go from invisible to most women to getting a good amount of attention both online and irl, you can also get away with being non NT and not social.

For general QOL not just getting pussy subhuman to LTN mogs, you go from repulsive guy people make fun of, avoid and bullied and find repulsive to a regular ugly dude, where your looks aren't a big failo.

 

[Deleted member 7752]

Going HTN to chadlite is a massive difference
At chadlites you will get girls commenting omg you beautiful when they meet you

At HTN this won't happen at all

 

[Deleted member 15827]

Going HTN to chadlite is a massive difference
At chadlites you will get girls commenting omg you beautiful when they meet you

At HTN this won't happen at all

Not true at all. Obviously as chadlite you will get tiktok clout but irl tall HTN is one in 40 in our age group. You think girls won't notice?

 

[ilyess]

Ok

1.0 post/rep ratio

 

[Deleted member 15827]

Subhuman to LTN? Although both are invisible to women.

I have gone from subhuman to ltn. If you're bluepilled the diff is ppl pity you less if you're blackpilled you feel better about yourself but still inferior. That's it you're still invisible to women

 

[fogdart]

absolute teracope. the returns on looks are exponential up until chad territory. the proof of that is all over tinder experiments.

a small boost in looks unlocks a huge pool of women who now deem you worthy as a partner.

that’s why gigachads get 99+ in 30 minutes and htns get 99+ in several days. “muh diminishing returns bro”

you have no comprehension of how a full blown chad gets treated in everyday life

Not sure about that, I just 15 people rate me, and it was pretty much a 50/50 split I was a MTN or a high tier normie, I think chadlite is a complete different realm.

Yeah I agree that even 0.5 difference in your looks unlocks a whole new realm of reality and I've lived that. I ascended from MTN - HTN range to Tyronelite and the difference is as clear as day and night. My experiences may differ from that of a white dude because I'm black. Generally as MTN ethnic living in the West, your dating life will be take what you can get because your options are very limited. At HTN, you have decent options but most will average or below; and as an ethnic chadlite that's when you start to get a decent amount of above average/hot girls show solid interest in you and some rare cold approaches here and there. At Chad level, you can have a solid rotation of hot girls - that's when women start to get really obsessive with you, start stalk you and shit. Chads can get approached fairly frequently by Beckys but still have to work to get Stacylites and above unless the Chad is statusmaxxed as well.

 

[Johnnybegood]

I think the biggest difference is definitely HTN-Chadlite.
Especially in school, i experienced it first hand. I belonged to a group of mostly HTNs, but there was 1 guy who stood above everyone else. He was a chadlite: almond eyes (very similar to Chico's eyes), good ramus, good forward growth (tik tok jawline), not the best chin but still non-recessed, average midface, strong masculine nose and overall good harmony. The amount of attention this guy had throughout high school was levels above what everyone else had.

And this motherfucker was a simple CHADLITE, yes he was tall (6'1) but we were all tall, all of us were over 6ft tall.

Imagine a solid CHAD! Just imagine what a Matthew Noszka, a Trevor Signorino, or a Francisco Lachowski had ALL THEIR LIVES!

 

[Deleted member 15827]

I think the biggest difference is definitely HTN-Chadlite.
Especially in school, i experienced it first hand. I belonged to a group of mostly HTNs, but there was 1 guy who stood above everyone else. He was a chadlite: almond eyes (very similar to Chico's eyes), good ramus, good forward growth (tik tok jawline), not the best chin but still non-recessed, average midface, strong masculine nose and overall good harmony. The amount of attention this guy had throughout high school was levels above what everyone else had.

And this motherfucker was a simple CHADLITE, yes he was tall (6'1) but we were all tall, all of us were over 6ft tall.

Imagine a solid CHAD! Just imagine what a Matthew Noszka, a Trevor Signorino, or a Francisco Lachowski had ALL THEIR LIVES!

Idk seems anecsotal. You could all have been MTNs and him HTN for all we know

 

[Johnnybegood]

Idk seems anecsotal. You could all have been MTNs and him HTN for all we know

TERACOPE.

All of my friends and myself had female attention. One of my other friends was even rated one of the best looking guys in my high school...he was still a HTN.

But this other guy, was something else. Lost his virginity at 15, before turning 18 already had fucked 3 quality girls.

The only guy that i knew who was approached by a college chick when he was still 16

 

[Deleted member 15827]

TERACOPE.

All of my friends and myself had female attention. One of my other friends was even rated one of the best looking guys in my high school...he was still a HTN.

But this other guy, was something else. Lost his virginity at 15, before turning 18 already had fucked 3 quality girls.

The only guy that i knew who was approached by a college chick when he was still 16

Still doesn't change what I said. You could all have been MTNs and him a HTN. We tend to oveerate irl people since social hierarchy is involved Along with the exposure effect

 

[Johnnybegood]

Still doesn't change what I said. You could all have been MTNs and him a HTN. We tend to oveerate irl people since social hierarchy is involved Along with the exposure effect

Keep coping. Most people in this thread are disagreeing with you. People with a lot more life experience.

You said it yourself that you rot in your house, so maybe you should humble yourself and learn from more experienced people.

 

[Deleted member 15827]

Keep coping. Most people in this thread are disagreeing with you. People with a lot more life experience.

You said it yourself that you rot in your house, so maybe you should humble yourself and learn from more experienced people.

Shut up bitch keep crying over ur friend who mogged u to suicide. I rot because I prefer it not because I don't have options.

 

[Deleted member 2381]

absolute teracope. the returns on looks are exponential up until chad territory. the proof of that is all over tinder experiments.

a small boost in looks unlocks a huge pool of women who now deem you worthy as a partner.

that’s why gigachads get 99+ in 30 minutes and htns get 99+ in several days. “muh diminishing returns bro”

you have no comprehension of how a full blown chad gets treated in everyday life

Do you know any fully blown Chads irl?

 

[Deleted member 15827]

Do you know any fully blown Chads irl?

Nigga thinks he is a chad probably he's a delusional faggot

 

[alriodai]

You just need big dick energy

big dick energy = not being a right wing loser, not caring about homos, trannies, the other feminist movements and understanding why women think like that

just a reminder

 

[Deleted member 15827]

big dick energy = not being a right wing loser, not caring about homos, trannies, the other feminist movements and understanding why women think like that

just a reminder

Right wing mogs

 

[Deleted member 2381]

I went from fat LTN to gymcelled Chadlite and it's like I got gifted a new life

 

[Deleted member 15827]

I went from fat LTN to gymcelled Chadlite and it's like I got gifted a new life

Tall gymcelled htn would have been similar

 

[Johnnybegood]

Do you know any fully blown Chads irl?

Most people do not know any chads.

That guy in high school that had all the girls swooning over him...he was a statusmaxxed chadlite

 

[alriodai]

Right wing mogs

lol it doesn't in any way, that's why you get no bitches IRL
only gigachad and chads can be bigots and get bitches
you're a LTN/MTN at most right now you cannot allow handicaps

 

[Deleted member 2381]

Tall gymcelled htn would have been similar

In real life, sure

But online, face is king (thankfully for me). I don't think you'd get this as a tall HTN

If you don't get approached like this

By B tier influencers Big life fuel ngl @Anstrum95 @AscendingHero @ForeverRecession

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 2381]

Most people do not know any chads.

That guy in high school that had all the girls swooning over him...he was a statusmaxxed chadlite

I know one

I lived with him for 3 years. 6'2 Chad

Another day, another text

From the same guy in this thread Bearing in mind his arms are at the very maximum 13", probably 12" https://looksmax.org/threads/imagine-getting-texts-like-this.481191/

looksmax.org

 

[Johnnybegood]

In real life, sure

But online, face is king (thankfully for me). I don't think you'd get this as a tall HTN

If you don't get approached like this

By B tier influencers Big life fuel ngl @Anstrum95 @AscendingHero @ForeverRecession

looksmax.org

Face is king online and IRL.

Trust me bro, i knew tall HTN that were over 6ft2 here in Portugal...and yes girls would look at them but on dates they wouldn't be able to replicate that initial impact that height gave them.

I would rather be a 5ft8 chadlite than a 6ft2 HTN any day of the week and twice on a sunday. I saw too many blackpills in my life to know that face AND status is literally the only two things you need to slay.

My signature says it all

 

[Deleted member 7752]

When I joined this site I was rated HTN
Was bloated with beard/heavy stubble so was ethnic taxed a lot
I would not get hardly any attention when I went out, only sometimes from Average to below average girls if I was able to kiss a girl on night out.

Fast forward now id say I'm chadlite range I went out this weekend multiple girls told me I'm beautiful out of the blue, got approached in a primitive pretentious club where nobody gave me any attention in the past
Curry tax is no longer a thing now
I only have 1 day stubble as face is lean and robust


This is the difference between HTN- chadlite as an ethnic
From getting scraps to getting approached and girls openly saying you're beautiful
It's a night and day difference

Girls in workplace stare as I walk past etc
A whole new world ngl

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Keep coping low T feminist cuck, you're probably sub 50 IQ

lol it doesn't in any way, that's why you get no bitches IRL
only gigachad and chads can be bigots and get bitches
you're a LTN/MTN at most right now you cannot allow handicaps

About OPs post, i went from MTN to HTN during primary school to high school transition and the difference was definitely day and night, my entire reality changed. But i think chadlite and Chads play on a different level, yet to experience that

 

[alriodai]

Keep coping low T feminist cuck, you're probably sub 50 IQ

About OPs post, i went from MTN to HTN during primary school to high school transition and the difference was definitely day and night, my entire reality changed. But i think chadlite and Chads play on a different level, yet to experience that

Meanwhile I fuck stacylites you're capped at an LTN currycel coping and larping as an HTN
Keep simping for a crumb of becky pussy while all I gotta do is send a text to get a HTB to suck my dick

 

[Prettyboy]

I was probably HTN before looksmaxxing , the jump to chadlite was a huge in life experience. Instead of having to chase you become being chased, you no longer have to comfort to normies. The threshold to be considered a prize for girls starts somwhere around 7/10, if you surpass that line, your life becomes different from masses of men. Beckies are very easy to pull, stacies / stacylites are hard though and still require status

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Meanwhile I fuck stacylites you're capped at an LTN currycel coping and larping as an HTN
Keep simping for a crumb of becky pussy while all I gotta do is send a text to get a HTB to suck my dick

Another day another cúmskin cope, nothing new in this shithole JFL, keep coping with your basement tales

 

[Deleted member 19101]

from personal experience, id say any jump in looks is substantial and is an increase in qol for any tier, subhuman - ltd, ltd - mtn.

for me I went from ltn - mtn and I noticed a quality of life increase in how girls treat me, granted low tier girls. but its still progress the same. I know this isn't my ceiling though not including surgeries.

I think htn is your above average gen z where you are lean, some muscle and a perm. this is enough to have a fairly normal life or play on normal difficulty, this is who the redpill applies for. and you will be able to pull Beckies with some effort, aka a lean girl who is below - average facially

whilst chadlite is another substantial increase to the main character tier who gets invited everywhere and can get girls with little effort.

chad is another step up from this and is noticeably standing out from the crowd. these people are pretty rare irl .