In the romantic dating/LTR market, who do you think wins?

[Xangsane]

The question is: who do you think wins in the romantic dating/LTR (not hookup) market?

Sub-5 man, woman or Chadlite/Chad?

These threads made me bring up this question:

My theory for the rise of male sexlessness and simps

These are just my thoughts. LMK what you think. IMO, most of it can be attributed to women's social and economic liberation in society. 1) Back in the day, women had no access to education or jobs and had to rely on men for their economic well-being. They would settle down with men they didn't...

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Women are lookmaxxing hard (and men too, to a degree)

Check out http://reddit.com/r/tretinoin. These people have found cheat-codes to improve their skin. Aside from hopping on tret, they also get botox injections etc - these women do a lot of shit to look younger and it works. I'm posting it here since I guess y'all can benefit from it as...

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Incels cope with "Women live life on "easy mode" in dating". They do NOT, however they do in most other areas of life.

The idea that women live life on "easy mode" or "tutorial mode" is the projection of male values onto women. Men value lots of women being interested in them regardless of the woman's attractiveness, however is not exactly accurate for women. For an average looking woman, being chased by many...

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And these quotes:

The idea that women live life on "easy mode" or "tutorial mode" is the projection of male values onto women. Men value lots of women being interested in them regardless of the woman's attractiveness, however is not exactly accurate for women. For an average looking woman, being chased by many average and subpar men is meaningless if what they want by nature is a man of higher value (whether it be in terms of looks, finance, social status etc). Their value system is different and thus their conditions for happiness are also different, so it makes no sense to say that a woman, having obtained what may be an equivalent to a man's condition for happiness (lot's of men in their DMs), should be happy, especially considering that we as humans do not choose our value systems.

I'm sure a typical response would be that "muh women can't be incel". However again, this is another projection; the degree to which a man's wellbeing would be positively increased in having a LTB being interested in him compared to being KHHV is very different to the degree to which a woman's wellbeing would increase with the equivalent happening to her (having a LTN approach her versus being femcel).

A woman being incel isn't even consideration for the majority of women, which means that it literally evades the general value system that women have when it comes to dating. Notice that we see many women buying into the idea that there are "societal pressures to be pretty". This is a simple example of the fact that what the average woman wants is to lock down a HTN in an LTR and/or to have a ONS with chadlite(+). For this to be achieved, there definitely is pressure to be pretty and intense competition. This is success to a woman when it comes to dating, whereas most men would have happy with a slim becky that isn't a feminist. Therefore, an average woman having normies in her DMs doesn't mean much at all, it doesn't drive dopamine and they'd still be frustrated at some level that they haven't achieved the aforemented "success" when it comes to dating, just like an incel has porn but is still frustrated that they can't get a LTB to like them. They face competition just like we do, a competition with a different value hierarchy and thus different reactions to equivalent phenomena.

Of course, being an lonely, frustrated incel, you'd want women to have dating on "easy mode" because it further aids your will to demonise of them in attempt to justify your resentment towards them and your own weakness ("muh, i'd stomp her head (in minecraft)". In the end, nature is just an impersonal game and it wills what it wills. Women aren't evil and neither are you, you just need to grow up and accept this.

I have no clue. You can already see a reaction towards it with men hitting the gym, money-maxxing, turning to figures like Andrew Tate. Arguably some men have reacted to this new shift by upping their game and others by rotting on OnlyFans or at strip clubs (classic rotters vs maxxers dichotomy) and a select few going beserk.

I think this dynamic has probably existed throughout history but is resurging now. High quality men have always commanded more attention from women but with women's sexual, economic, and social liberation the trend has gotten worse. I don't see this reversing unless society starts oppressing women again (which I don't recommend JFL).

We can keep men subdued with OF, porn, video games and other BS. If I were a politician I would legalize escorts to allow men to blow off some sexual and romantic steam like in the Netherlands.

One thing I think could happen is women realizing that what they're doing isn't helpful to themselves at all. Modern women just have overly high standards and over-value themselves in the romantic marketplace. While the demand is lopsided in the sexual marketplace, it should be somewhat equal in the LTR romantic marketplace. Women shouldn't have an upper hand in the latter. Women learn the hard way that Chad will fuck you but not commit to you then maybe they settle after years of disappointment with someone more their level. If a Jordan Peterson-esque figure for women can create a sub-culture that can warn women of this treacherous path maybe they will change their behavior but right now there's too much female empowerment bullshit going on but a lot of single women hit 30 and get depressed because they are still single, can't find a man that "meets their standards" with a ticking biological clock.

At the end of the day human nature and natural selection are cruel and cold operators.

Everyone girl i see from 18-25 has filler, botox, surgery goes to the gym etc... You know why? For the hopes that chad will stick around and not pump and dump. They do not do this shit for the average normie or higher tier normie. The only reason a woman would try to increase her already infinite SMV, is to trap chad with her fake fucking fish lips look.

It's like when a girl gets her tits out on a night out but moans that guys keep looking. What she means by that is 'subchads' are looking and its creepy. JFL.

I agree with you, chad(lites) are the reason why women go through all this shit. Imagine smearing shit on your face, day in and day out just for a ltn/mtn? Hell no. You’re right about the example in the second paragraph, very spot on. They want gl guys to look at them like that, not sub-chads like me.

 

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Women always win.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Lol Sub-5 man gets absolutely railed why is that option even on there. By far the worst experience.

"Woman" isn't specific enough. If Becky she will either settle with someone her level or get pumped and dumped by chad (or lock one down miraculously through hard work and looksmaxxing) and settle down disillusioned or tired of whoring.

If Stacy then she will whore as long as she wants and lock down top tier male as long as looks don't fade.

Chadlite+ is king of the world and can hook up until he grows up and chooses the more sensible option of committing to a high quality woman. Even better if he moneymaxxes. Best existence and IMO better than Stacy. Being a young, healthy, rich, NT Chad is by far the best existence possible. I actually think a tall, handsome, rich and elegant man is the most impressive thing to behold. It commands more attention and respect than a beautiful woman. Men have a higher ceiling in this regard.

it's very simple really... Attractive people win.

 

[Xangsane]

Lol Sub-5 man gets absolutely railed why is that option even on there. By far the worst experience.

"Woman" isn't specific enough. If Becky she will either settle with someone her level or get pumped and dumped by chad (or lock one down miraculously through hard work and looksmaxxing) and settle down disillusioned or tired of whoring.

If Stacy then she will whore as long as she wants and lock down top tier male as long as looks don't fade.

Chadlite+ is king of the world and can hook up until he grows up and chooses the more sensible option of committing to a high quality woman. Even better if he moneymaxxes. Best existence and IMO better than Stacy. Being a young, healthy, rich, NT Chad is by far the best existence possible. I actually think a tall, handsome, rich and elegant man is the most impressive thing to behold. It commands more attention and respect than a beautiful woman. Men have a higher ceiling in this regard.

it's very simple really... Attractive people win.

Sometimes Stacies can have so much baggage because Chad either didn't reach their standards or didn't want to commit so they settle for a rich oofy doofy.

 

[rand anon]

In this case, since u didn't specify the looks of the woman, I'd say chad wins. Avg women will hve to settle if they want a functional LTR

 

[Xangsane]

In this case, since u didn't specify the looks of the woman, I'd say chad wins. Avg women will hve to settle if they want a functional LTR

Any foid looks level because:

Sometimes Stacies can have so much baggage because Chad either didn't reach their standards or didn't want to commit so they settle for a rich oofy doofy.

 

[rand anon]

Any foid looks level because:

Sometimes Stacies can have so much baggage because Chad either didn't reach their standards or didn't want to commit so they settle for a rich oofy doofy.

Still, that isn't common though

I pretty much agree with this comment

If Stacy then she will whore as long as she wants and lock down top tier male as long as looks don't fade.

Chadlite+ is king of the world and can hook up until he grows up and chooses the more sensible option of committing to a high quality woman. Even better if he moneymaxxes. Best existence and IMO better than Stacy. Being a young, healthy, rich, NT Chad is by far the best existence possible. I actually think a tall, handsome, rich and elegant man is the most impressive thing to behold. It commands more attention and respect than a beautiful woman. Men have a higher ceiling in this regard.

 

[Xangsane]

Still, that isn't common though

I pretty much agree with this comment

I do as well, but IMO, foids win (seen how many LTBs pick up Chad, e.g. Cillian Murphy's wife?)

In this case, since u didn't specify the looks of the woman, I'd say chad wins. Avg women will hve to settle if they want a functional LTR

What about Stacy?

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

I do as well, but IMO, foids win (seen how many LTBs pick up Chad, e.g. Cillian Murphy's wife?)

There are some people in both genders that manage to punch above their weight due to tact and charisma. You also see guys who do this. And in fact, men do this more often than women. In general Chad mogs.

 

[rand anon]

What about Stacy?

Stacy > Chad. I don't believe in "the wall". Most guys, even Chad, will eventually succumb to the agepill. Stacy will too, but she'll still hve inifinite smv in her age bracket

 

[WishIwasChico]

Chad wins. Women have it easy in there prime from 18-26 but soon they realise they cannot compete with younger prime women and have no choice but to get with a man they do not find attractive (even tho looksmatch) or continue getting used as chads fucktoy. Being 26+ women begin to crave protection and having realised they cannot keep a chad, look to a normie to raise their offspring. This is why so many marriages have unsatisfactory sex etc... Or you get single mums who keep coping trying to lock down chad. But tbh, it's over for men past 27, as most women at 30 are statusmaxxed and educationmaxxed and can get 23 years old etc...

Chad wins, he can fuck as many women as he likes and never has to worry about getting older unless over 40, even then he can slay just look at Brad Pitt. As time ticks, women's SMV only declines, whereas males, if studymax etc... their SMV only increases.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Stacy > Chad. I don't believe in "the wall". Most guys, even Chad, will eventually succumb to the agepill. Stacy will too, but she'll still hve inifinite smv in her age bracket

I really don't get why men here freak out about age pill.

Studies have time and time again shown women like more mature men and that men peak in SMV later than Women. If you are chad you can try to age gracefully and moneymaxx and end up slaying in your 40-50s or lock down a high quality younger women. Women rely on their looks which diminish with age.

 

[Xangsane]

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[Michael Myers]

Good-looking men, because they are the driving factor behind women doing all of this.

 

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Sub 5 men just can’t lose as long as non autistic rotter

 

[Xangsane]

Is anyone here jealous of women for living life on easy mode?

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[Sleeper]

"The lowest quality demographic of women thats ever been recorded cant all each have a man thats in the top 5% of men in the world so they ahckt-tually have it just as bad if not worse u gais"

This is an extremely ignorant and blue pilled take on the situation. The average western woman has a wider range of high quality dating options and easier access to them than any other demographic of people in human history. Men have never been taller, fitter, more educated and higher earning on average and to top all of that off, women are only looking for the top 5% of men who have the pinnacle of all these individual preferences combined. Not being able to get the absolute pinnacle of your extremely narrow preference in dating partner does not mean things are difficult for you but the polar opposite, it means you are spoiled for choice. And not only that but this is now applying to the most obese, mentally ill, promiscuous and highest cheating and divorcing demographic of women thats ever been recorded. The average representation of what a woman is now is extremely low value in what aligns with what men across all ranges of value pursue and yet it is these women complaining that they can't all each have an extremely small subset of men despite human mating having never worked this way throughout the entirety of our evolution

Average women are not supposed to ever have a chance with men that are far out of their league, that is not how any civilisation has ever worked in human history. The goal of a woman is to find a man a point or two above her smv who can provide for a family and will protect her and her children. If a woman cannot keep a Chad then she was never on his level to begin with, just because she throws herself at him while offering easy sex as her only value does not mean he owes her any commitment and her ruining her own relationship prospects and smv by getting ran through is her own fault and problem, not anyone elses.

The simple fact is that high quality women that would refuse to sleep with a high quality man unless he marries her have an easier time than ever to get and maintain a successful marriage and family, this is how the vast majority of realationships outside of the western world still work

 

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[Ken]

Chad wins. He can pump and dump sluts and then settle down with a virgin when he's done. The virgin girl will be happy to be the one to tame the badboy chad.

For women their standards are inflated so they will only go after Chads. They will have to find a Chad who will be loyal to them and not just take their virginity and run. Females are terrible at this. They get pumped and dumped by a badboy then ride the carousel to numb the pain. High-IQ loyal Chads wont want to settle down with a used up slut so they will have to LTR an unloyal Chad or a sub-5.

Sub-5 males cant even participate. At best they will get to LTR a female after shes done riding the CC. This is most guys on r/deadbedrooms