Indo nordic is just indid but with lighter adaptation and a higher aryan componrnt.

[reptiles]

That first link you provided was sampled from mostly non-Indian groups
Only two groups that were closer were the Jatts, a specific group that originated around south Pakistan and migrated up to Punjab regions
Other group was Khatris, another specific group originating from ancient Afghan Hindus
Neither of these two groups have origins among natives of India or resemble the common population so your claim on Indians having high Iranian component is invalid, only proves afghans have the iranian component (which actually makes sense)

Why do you think the pashtun and khatri samples look so similar?
Doesnt take a genius to look at the average pashtun and the average mainland curry and see how different they are

If even the most nigger in the subcontient scored 24 percent the average is much higher.


Also khatris rors looks very close to modrrn day indians wtf are you on about.

Also genotype==//phenotype.

Yiur traits found are based on selection.


There is no evidence of khatris being afghan there very pakistani.

Pakistanis in general are very close to pashtuns.


Last point depigmented indians look very similar to pashtuns. Indians most definitely are caucasoids.

 

[reptiles]

That first link you provided was sampled from mostly non-Indian groups
Only two groups that were closer were the Jatts, a specific group that originated around south Pakistan and migrated up to Punjab regions
Other group was Khatris, another specific group originating from ancient Afghan Hindus
Neither of these two groups have origins among natives of India or resemble the common population so your claim on Indians having high Iranian component is invalid, only proves afghans have the iranian component (which actually makes sense)

Why do you think the pashtun and khatri samples look so similar?
Doesnt take a genius to look at the average pashtun and the average mainland curry and see how different they are

As for CHG, studies on CHG sites showed almost all containing Haplogroup J, an exclusively Semitic (Middle Eastern) DNA marker

Chg had r1a just as well and j is a subclade tons of variations thr aryan one is the caucases 1.

 

[0Ace0]

If even the most nigger in the subcontient scored 24 percent the average is much higher.


Also khatris rors looks very close to modrrn day indians wtf are you on about.

Also genotype==//phenotype.

Yiur traits found are based on selection.


There is no evidence of khatris being afghan there very pakistani.

Pakistanis in general are very close to pashtuns.


Last point depigmented indians look very similar to pashtuns. Indians most definitely are caucasoids.

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The aror khatris are another specific group of khatris who also originate from south pakistan along sindh/baloch region
Not so similar to regular pakistanis who are majority common punjabi descent
I did a quick image search of the average aror khatri and average curry and most of the arors look significantly different, lighter skin, thicker darker brows similar to middle eastern phenos
As for subclades, they do not matter, ultimately they trace back to one original ancestor of each haplogroup

 

[reptiles]

The aror khatris are another specific group of khatris who also originate from south pakistan along sindh/baloch region
Not so similar to regular pakistanis who are majority common punjabi descent
I did a quick image search of the average aror khatri and average curry and most of the arors look significantly different, lighter skin, thicker darker brows similar to middle eastern phenos
As for subclades, they do not matter, ultimately they trace back to one original ancestor of each haplogroup

1 Genetic doesn't neccarily tell you an origin of people per say you need actual textual evidence to provide where there origin was for instance 2 components can be similar in admixture but have very different origin stories we don't actually know there evidence but there is no evidence to support to afghanis majority seems to support according to the rig vedda itself from inter caste marriage.

Also khatris are closer to pakistan in general there gonna have more west asian by default.

2 Here is a khatri crowd. You can't cherry pick small phenos and then apply them to the average. Also the allele for light skin began in India and the middle east so the fair skin cope isn't working here either.

3 Rors are modeled as the best fit for ANI there whiter than pashtuns by 8 percent and they fit well within the ASI and ANI model.

4 Subclades matter hugely and even if it did have a distant middle eastern connection that doesn't say shit about genetic displacement or anything like that very common in ancient populations due to tribal warefare and shit.

 

[reptiles]

That first link you provided was sampled from mostly non-Indian groups
Only two groups that were closer were the Jatts, a specific group that originated around south Pakistan and migrated up to Punjab regions
Other group was Khatris, another specific group originating from ancient Afghan Hindus
Neither of these two groups have origins among natives of India or resemble the common population so your claim on Indians having high Iranian component is invalid, only proves afghans have the iranian component (which actually makes sense)

Why do you think the pashtun and khatri samples look so similar?
Doesnt take a genius to look at the average pashtun and the average mainland curry and see how different they are

As for CHG, studies on CHG sites showed almost all containing Haplogroup J, an exclusively Semitic (Middle Eastern) DNA marker

1 Jatts have an origin in India not out side of India I don't understand the weird we wuz scythians or some other weird shitty models people purpose they fit very neatly into the Indian cline.

2 I showed those reddit threads to show the Indian cline present all through out south Asia I showed groups higher in the western eurasian component but these components are exactly the same but in varying proportions.

The sub caste sub Dalit tribal niggers are about 24 percent the average is about 50 to 60 percent western Eurasian. hence why I said same race some ethnic type different admixture proportions however even the Pashtuns modelled had dravid nigger.

3 Pashtun and Khatri samples will look similar they are a more west Asian shifted ethnic group in south Asia that doesn't mean there ancient afghans by that logic the rors are also ancient afghans same with the brahmins who score almost equal in proportion.

4 There is no natives to India this is relative FFS even ASI isn't fully native it's 20 percent Iranian farmer. Even pashtuns are atleast 12 percent ASI.

Like there is literally no arguments being made here your going of phenotype to assert there genotype. Your then assuming 1 had to have an afghan origin when the rig vedda says differen't. Also you still haven't debunked my other claims of a higher iran ganji dareh number.

 

[reptiles]

The aror khatris are another specific group of khatris who also originate from south pakistan along sindh/baloch region
Not so similar to regular pakistanis who are majority common punjabi descent
I did a quick image search of the average aror khatri and average curry and most of the arors look significantly different, lighter skin, thicker darker brows similar to middle eastern phenos
As for subclades, they do not matter, ultimately they trace back to one original ancestor of each haplogroup

https://i.redd.it/vjacj62wbbn71.png

Indus periphery is 25 percent SImulated aasi ans 75 percent iran neolethic sinthastha is steppe and the Asi is a given really.

 

[0Ace0]

1 Genetic doesn't neccarily tell you an origin of people per say you need actual textual evidence to provide where there origin was for instance 2 components can be similar in admixture but have very different origin stories we don't actually know there evidence but there is no evidence to support to afghanis majority seems to support according to the rig vedda itself from inter caste marriage.

Also khatris are closer to pakistan in general there gonna have more west asian by default.

2 Here is a khatri crowd. You can't cherry pick small phenos and then apply them to the average. Also the allele for light skin began in India and the middle east so the fair skin cope isn't working here either.

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3 Rors are modeled as the best fit for ANI there whiter than pashtuns by 8 percent and they fit well within the ASI and ANI model.

4 Subclades matter hugely and even if it did have a distant middle eastern connection that doesn't say shit about genetic displacement or anything like that very common in ancient populations due to tribal warefare and shit.

I did get it from textual evidence, infact its literally on Wikipedia
Looking at most of those Khatris, they do not look like the average curry, average curry has weaker pigment in their hair and more in the skin
Selecting Arors as the model for ANI seems too convenient especially knowing their higher white %, seems like a politically motivated decision to do so.
The light skin allele originated in the Middle East and then spread outwards, not in India, there was noone else in India before invasions from the west apart from the veddoids and other indian hunter gatherers and maybe some andaman aboriginals
The subclades of CHG as well as the autosomal DNA are shared with the people of south caucasus and even with northern Iran too so this isnt some special unique caucasus DNA
Jatts do not originate from India they originate from ancient south Pakistan groups who themselves came from migrations from west of there (Iran) as well as potentially north of there (down the steppe through north Pakistan)
Literally first few lines on Wikipedia

 

[Esteban1997]

im indo nordic

 

[reptiles]

im indo nordic

Mogger phenotype.

 

[reptiles]

I did get it from textual evidence, infact its literally on Wikipedia
Looking at most of those Khatris, they do not look like the average curry, average curry has weaker pigment in their hair and more in the skin
Selecting Arors as the model for ANI seems too convenient especially knowing their higher white %, seems like a politically motivated decision to do so.
The light skin allele originated in the Middle East and then spread outwards, not in India, there was noone else in India before invasions from the west apart from the veddoids and other indian hunter gatherers and maybe some andaman aboriginals
The subclades of CHG as well as the autosomal DNA are shared with the people of south caucasus and even with northern Iran too so this isnt some special unique caucasus DNA
Jatts do not originate from India they originate from ancient south Pakistan groups who themselves came from migrations from west of there (Iran) as well as potentially north of there (down the steppe through north Pakistan)
Literally first few lines on Wikipedia
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1 Your coping massively they legit look like your average curry.

2 The reason the rors were selected is that there the highest steppe related population in south asian which the majority of south asian's share there dna with kalash is also a decent model. ANI Simple means you harbour an more an western Eurasian like ancestry found which is exactly the same through out all of south asia. Weather you call it iranan neolethic ganji dareh or even indus perhiphery it doesn't change the model presented.

3

The original haplogroup J originated along ''north-eastern Syria, south-eastern Turkey, and north-western Iran'' the subclades split from that original population subclades matter though cause it can be used to show differentiation. Also I brought up this original point in reponse to your point that the PIE people apperently were middle eastern due to high middle eastern ancestry however there high in mainly CHG which is isn't even middle eastern ffs it's in the trans caucasus cluster that's very different from the Mena cluster.

4 Jatt's do originate from India they migrated after the collapse of the indus valley but modern Indians are only possible if you model iranan Neolithic and steppe so they didn't originate from India either you can't just hand brush this fact. there is no such thing as indengious indian they are a hybrid population this is why the ANI and ASI model exist because it's not the simple retardation your spewing that dalit=0 iranan and bramhin and jatts=afghan.


5 Light skin originated in a place between India and the middle east the exact same gene mutation is seen in the same frequency with mena's south asians and Europeans you have no evidence what so ever to assert it started in the middle east if any thing that's a bit of question begging on your end NGL. source down below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html

To sum up.

1 They look very similar to your average ''Indian'' hair colour or skin pigment can be explained by climate funny how you never mention selection ever.

2 The reason the Rors were selected to point towards a north western component and a south indian component is because every Indian is a hybrid population you can't model daalits as abo also I already listed below modern day daalits are x10 closer to pashtuns. But regardless you can't model 1 as higher in dravid nigger and the other being foriegn and deriving out side of India because both had to mix for the modern day Indian to exist.

Look up the simulated distance I posted earlier in this thread.

3 Haplogroup J originated in the trans Caucasus different than the Mena cluster and the specefic sub haplogroup for the PIE people originated in the caucuses. Also I would like to point out Pie people themselves share very little eastern ancestry most of it is CHG which is closer to modern day turks and georgians in fact some times the aryans are modelled as Georgians.

4 Jatt's do originate from India but the migration happened from the IVC due to it's collapse migrations happened out side of it also funny how you never mention the jatts were mentioned heavily in the rig veddas about there origin in the ivc

The IVC itself is what India derives it's name from Indians themselves are a hybrid population themselves. Which race isn't your not 1 of these retards that thinks your race is pure are you ? and none of these are middle eastern not even Pashtuns there central Asian middle eastern is people like the levantine arab's the gulf arab's, iraqis. Quite differen't

 

[0Ace0]

1 Your coping massively they legit look like your average curry.

2 The reason the rors were selected is that there the highest steppe related population in south asian which the majority of south asian's share there dna with kalash is also a decent model. ANI Simple means you harbour an more an western Eurasian like ancestry found which is exactly the same through out all of south asia. Weather you call it iranan neolethic ganji dareh or even indus perhiphery it doesn't change the model presented.

3

The original haplogroup J originated along ''north-eastern Syria, south-eastern Turkey, and north-western Iran'' the subclades split from that original population subclades matter though cause it can be used to show differentiation. Also I brought up this original point in reponse to your point that the PIE people apperently were middle eastern due to high middle eastern ancestry however there high in mainly CHG which is isn't even middle eastern ffs it's in the trans caucasus cluster that's very different from the Mena cluster.

4 Jatt's do originate from India they migrated after the collapse of the indus valley but modern Indians are only possible if you model iranan Neolithic and steppe so they didn't originate from India either you can't just hand brush this fact. there is no such thing as indengious indian they are a hybrid population this is why the ANI and ASI model exist because it's not the simple retardation your spewing that dalit=0 iranan and bramhin and jatts=afghan.


5 Light skin originated in a place between India and the middle east the exact same gene mutation is seen in the same frequency with mena's south asians and Europeans you have no evidence what so ever to assert it started in the middle east if any thing that's a bit of question begging on your end NGL. source down below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html

To sum up.

1 They look very similar to your average ''Indian'' hair colour or skin pigment can be explained by climate funny how you never mention selection ever.

2 The reason the Rors were selected to point towards a north western component and a south indian component is because every Indian is a hybrid population you can't model daalits as abo also I already listed below modern day daalits are x10 closer to pashtuns. But regardless you can't model 1 as higher in dravid nigger and the other being foriegn and deriving out side of India because both had to mix for the modern day Indian to exist.

Look up the simulated distance I posted earlier in this thread.

3 Haplogroup J originated in the trans Caucasus different than the Mena cluster and the specefic sub haplogroup for the PIE people originated in the caucuses. Also I would like to point out Pie people themselves share very little eastern ancestry most of it is CHG which is closer to modern day turks and georgians in fact some times the aryans are modelled as Georgians.

4 Jatt's do originate from India but the migration happened from the IVC due to it's collapse migrations happened out side of it also funny how you never mention the jatts were mentioned heavily in the rig veddas about there origin in the ivc

The IVC itself is what India derives it's name from Indians themselves are a hybrid population themselves. Which race isn't your not 1 of these retards that thinks your race is pure are you ? and none of these are middle eastern not even Pashtuns there central Asian middle eastern is people like the levantine arab's the gulf arab's, iraqis. Quite differen't

They do not look like your average curry, I google imaged "average indian people" and the first crowd photo was this

These Indians look rounder, fatter and more "subhuman" looking
The khatris you posted had a more caucasoid skull with skin having reddish-yellow tones, seen in middle eastern groups
These Indians however have skin that has a darker and more purplish tone typical of veddoids
This is what the average curry looks like to everyone else, we have all seen them, undisputable at this point

I never said PIE aka Steppe people were middle eastern, I said they were half EHG (Euro) and half CHG (Middle East)
I made that very clear, CHG people are middle eastern, they fall mainly into West Asia, which is a part of the Middle East
They also share Haplogroup J which is a clear Semitic middle eastern marker, regardless of what environmental adaptations are made, ultimately they came from the same man, this is an objective fact.
But since you wanna mention subclades, there are two subclades of J, J1 and J2, J2 is found in Iranians, Anatolians/Levantines and Caucasians etc. Modern Turkish people are middle eastern and share this haplogroup
The other is J1 which is found mostly in Arabs, they're your stereotypical idea of middle easterners right? Guess what though, both J1 and J2 have peaks in the Caucasus, also your subclade argument doesnt explain why J2 is also found among Levantine Arabs

Jatts originated with IVC, the IVC people were predominantly Iranian
The article you posted about light skin was referring to light skin in Europeans which occurred 10,000 years ago between the Middle East and India, yeah, we knew that already, that place was called the Steppe.
Light skin was already discovered to exist at least 22,000 years ago in the Middle East, a difference of 12,000 years

 

[reptiles]

They do not look like your average curry, I google imaged "average indian people" and the first crowd photo was thisView attachment 1355280
These Indians look rounder, fatter and more "subhuman" looking
The khatris you posted had a more caucasoid skull with skin having reddish-yellow tones, seen in middle eastern groups
These Indians however have skin that has a darker and more purplish tone typical of veddoids
This is what the average curry looks like to everyone else, we have all seen them, undisputable at this point

I never said PIE aka Steppe people were middle eastern, I said they were half EHG (Euro) and half CHG (Middle East)
I made that very clear, CHG people are middle eastern, they fall mainly into West Asia, which is a part of the Middle East
They also share Haplogroup J which is a clear Semitic middle eastern marker, regardless of what environmental adaptations are made, ultimately they came from the same man, this is an objective fact.
But since you wanna mention subclades, there are two subclades of J, J1 and J2, J2 is found in Iranians, Anatolians/Levantines and Caucasians etc. Modern Turkish people are middle eastern and share this haplogroup
The other is J1 which is found mostly in Arabs, they're your stereotypical idea of middle easterners right? Guess what though, both J1 and J2 have peaks in the Caucasus, also your subclade argument doesnt explain why J2 is also found among Levantine Arabs
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Jatts originated with IVC, the IVC people were predominantly Iranian
The article you posted about light skin was referring to light skin in Europeans which occurred 10,000 years ago between the Middle East and India, yeah, we knew that already, that place was called the Steppe.
Light skin was already discovered to exist at least 22,000 years ago in the Middle East, a difference of 12,000 years

1 very rounded face shapes there is very little difference. Also crowd from delhi looks very similar.

2 You originally listed on the fact that J1 is a middle eastern haplogroup and my response was no it's distinct to the caucuses more specefically trans caucases that includes turkey azeribijan and armenia.

3 CHG isn't middle eastern at all it's again from the caucases specifically


CHG Is closest to modern south and south central asian's.

Figure 1: Genetic structure of ancient Europe. | Nature Communications

www.nature.com

4 Indian's have an very high R1A sampling shared by iranans and europeans does that mean they all shared 1 ancestor ? no an specefic sub clade can split.

5 Why do the levantines have it ? well 1 they live close to the region iran and Azerbaijan if you live closer there is gonna be x people with with this haplogroup by defintion of the fact of closeness.

6 Turks are not middle easterners turks armenians iranans and even georgians are on the trans Caucasus cluster the mena cluster is with North Africans levantines and gulf arabs.

7 It never mentioned the steppes but even if it did the mutation popped 28 thousand years ago well before the aryan invasion so the conception made earlier that light skin came from invasions is very wrong. I don't an model which says an ancestor may have lived in lets say the caucases split off and migrated out and then through adaption each race had it's own indepedent skin tonne origin.


>>We estimated the coalescence time of the rs1426654 mutation at 28,100 years (95% CI - 4,900 to 58,400 years) using BEAST.>>

8 The indus is genetically closest to Indian's really. Jatt's did come from the IVC migrations happen all the fucking time this is a common expectation really.

https://i.redd.it/1e6w6si742l71.png

 

[0Ace0]

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1 very rounded face shapes there is very little difference. Also crowd from delhi looks very similar.

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2 You originally listed on the fact that J1 is a middle eastern haplogroup and my response was no it's distinct to the caucuses more specefically trans caucases that includes turkey azeribijan and armenia.

3 CHG isn't middle eastern at all it's again from the caucases specifically


CHG Is closest to modern south and south central asian's.

Figure 1: Genetic structure of ancient Europe. | Nature Communications

www.nature.com

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4 Indian's have an very high R1A sampling shared by iranans and europeans does that mean they all shared 1 ancestor ? no an specefic sub clade can split.

5 Why do the levantines have it ? well 1 they live close to the region iran and Azerbaijan if you live closer there is gonna be x people with with this haplogroup by defintion of the fact of closeness.

6 Turks are not middle easterners turks armenians iranans and even georgians are on the trans Caucasus cluster the mena cluster is with North Africans levantines and gulf arabs.

7 It never mentioned the steppes but even if it did the mutation popped 28 thousand years ago well before the aryan invasion so the conception made earlier that light skin came from invasions is very wrong. I don't an model which says an ancestor may have lived in lets say the caucases split off and migrated out and then through adaption each race had it's own indepedent skin tonne origin.


>>We estimated the coalescence time of the rs1426654 mutation at 28,100 years (95% CI - 4,900 to 58,400 years) using BEAST.>>

8 The indus is genetically closest to Indian's really. Jatt's did come from the IVC migrations happen all the fucking time this is a common expectation really.

https://i.redd.it/1e6w6si742l71.png

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Their faces are less rounded, taller and more robust skulls, the pajeets look round and fat
You used a picture of Indians in masks, how are we supposed to make out features through a mask
Why does J1 peak in both Yemen and the Caucasus
CHG is middle eastern, half of the Caucasus is in West Asia which is in the Middle East, haplogroups both J1 and J2 reflect the lineage
R1A carriers do have a common ancestor
I guess Levantines arent middle eastern because they carry a Caucasus subclade right
Turks are middle eastern, the transcaucasus cluster is a figment of your imagination
The gene for light skin came from the middle east into the steppe through the Caucasus
Veddoid DNA is clearly dominant in Indians even if there was a chance of high IVC/Iranian DNA

 

[reptiles]

Their faces are less rounded, taller and more robust skulls, the pajeets look round and fat
You used a picture of Indians in masks, how are we supposed to make out features through a mask
Why does J1 peak in both Yemen and the Caucasus
CHG is middle eastern, half of the Caucasus is in West Asia which is in the Middle East, haplogroups both J1 and J2 reflect the lineage
R1A carriers do have a common ancestor
I guess Levantines arent middle eastern because they carry a Caucasus subclade right
Turks are middle eastern, the transcaucasus cluster is a figment of your imagination
The gene for light skin came from the middle east into the steppe through the Caucasus
Veddoid DNA is clearly dominant in Indians even if there was a chance of high IVC/Iranian DNA

1 Rounder face shape is a south asian trait that developed due to climate ones autosomal dna doesn't determine ones face shape the diet you have does. It's why native americans are significantly different than han chinese. Also literally the pics you posted have a round as fuck skull I don't know why your being delusional here. There clearly not even near indo nordic even that is a rear pheno among pashtuns pathans kashmiris and even tajiks the commonest 1 is the pamarid.

2 Caucasus doesn't mean middle eastern trans Caucasus means azeri turk and georgian and armenian very different than the mena cluster geography doesn't lap onto genes there very genetically distinct very close but close all Caucasoid are close genetically this includes Indian's btw there x2 as close to Caucasoid than han or blacks.

3 R1A for south asian's are very different from the european ones it was caused by a bottle neck.

Veddiod dna is 50 percent to 40 percent for the average indian 14 percent for the khatris, pathans, Indians are a hybrid population you don't get curry without that high Iranan dna either and half of a dna of some 1 is significant that's 1 whole dad in terms of ancestry.

Also can we conclude our points i'm getting tired of this.



I'll write some points and you can write down if you agree or disagree.


1 Indians are a hybrid race of veddiods and the same components found in tajiks.

2 Tajiks are the best model for south Asian's and Indians without veddiod blood. This component though isn't middle eastern but is related to a separate Iranian cluster or the central Asian cluster Iranians aren't middle easterners and by this I don't mean geography i mean genetics Iranans as a whole are very genetically distinct from mena's.

3 CHG is mainly apart of the iranan cluster rather than the middle eastern cluster and that steppe is a more of a central asian iranan cluster.

modern day Europeans have very high amounts of ANF Anatolian Neolithic farmer very little CHG eastern hunter gathrer had very little ANF but very high CHG.

4 Indo Nordic is just a cold adapted version of the Indid phenotype. And that it is mainly just indid but with different traits due to an cold adaptation and an stronger selection for light eyes and skin also the eye deep setness would be more common in colder climates to help protect eye sockets more from cold.

 

[0Ace0]

1 Rounder face shape is a south asian trait that developed due to climate ones autosomal dna doesn't determine ones face shape the diet you have does. It's why native americans are significantly different than han chinese. Also literally the pics you posted have a round as fuck skull I don't know why your being delusional here. There clearly not even near indo nordic even that is a rear pheno among pashtuns pathans kashmiris and even tajiks the commonest 1 is the pamarid.

2 Caucasus doesn't mean middle eastern trans Caucasus means azeri turk and georgian and armenian very different than the mena cluster geography doesn't lap onto genes there very genetically distinct very close but close all Caucasoid are close genetically this includes Indian's btw there x2 as close to Caucasoid than han or blacks.

3 R1A for south asian's are very different from the european ones it was caused by a bottle neck.

Veddiod dna is 50 percent to 40 percent for the average indian 14 percent for the khatris, pathans, Indians are a hybrid population you don't get curry without that high Iranan dna either and half of a dna of some 1 is significant that's 1 whole dad in terms of ancestry.

Also can we conclude our points i'm getting tired of this.



I'll write some points and you can write down if you agree or disagree.


1 Indians are a hybrid race of veddiods and the same components found in tajiks.

2 Tajiks are the best model for south Asian's and Indians without veddiod blood. This component though isn't middle eastern but is related to a separate Iranian cluster or the central Asian cluster Iranians aren't middle easterners and by this I don't mean geography i mean genetics Iranans as a whole are very genetically distinct from mena's.

3 CHG is mainly apart of the iranan cluster rather than the middle eastern cluster and that steppe is a more of a central asian iranan cluster.

modern day Europeans have very high amounts of ANF Anatolian Neolithic farmer very little CHG eastern hunter gathrer had very little ANF but very high CHG.

4 Indo Nordic is just a cold adapted version of the Indid phenotype. And that it is mainly just indid but with different traits due to an cold adaptation and an stronger selection for light eyes and skin also the eye deep setness would be more common in colder climates to help protect eye sockets more from cold.

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A rounder skull is caused by genes, part of your DNA is your gene expression, which genes are activated/deactivated, which is what can be affected by environment. This is what creates a person's phenotype, your physical form is determined by gene expression.
Caucasus does mean middle eastern, Caucasus is in West Asia which is part of the Middle East, these imaginary clusters of yours dont really matter, as you said yourself, geographically close populations tend to share DNA so no surprise they share genes with Anatolians and Northern Iranians. Iranians are a native middle eastern population.
And you did not answer why J1 peaks in Caucasus but also in Southern Arabs from Yemen.
Any differences in R1 DNA between curries and Euros do not matter, ultimately they came from the same ancestor from the Steppe, but this may not even be important, because majority of India carries Haplogroup H, not R1.
There is no such thing as central asian iranians or native central asians because noone lived there, central asians are mixture of iranians from the Middle East and invaders from the Steppe as well as some minor eastern DNA. Iranians are not their own group, they are middle eastern, your usage of MENA isnt even accurate either because North Africans arent necessarily middle eastern. This also backs up CHG being middle eastern because you said CHG is closest to "Iranian cluster" seems like you make up clusters as you go along.
Modern Europeans do not have high ANF apart from some south Europeans/meds and robust Nordics carrying haplogroup I, other than that, Europeans are mostly based on Western Hunter Gatherer and Ancient North Eurasian with only little Anatolian Neolithic Farmer influence overall.

Even if your claims of significant Iranian mixture in the average pajeet true it would not even matter, the veddoid genes are the ones being expressed/dominant. We all have the same genes technically, only real difference is how they are expressed and how recent they are as well as how malleable they are.

 

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It’s cope

 

[reptiles]

A rounder skull is caused by genes, part of your DNA is your gene expression, which genes are activated/deactivated, which is what can be affected by environment. This is what creates a person's phenotype, your physical form is determined by gene expression.
Caucasus does mean middle eastern, Caucasus is in West Asia which is part of the Middle East, these imaginary clusters of yours dont really matter, as you said yourself, geographically close populations tend to share DNA so no surprise they share genes with Anatolians and Northern Iranians. Iranians are a native middle eastern population.
And you did not answer why J1 peaks in Caucasus but also in Southern Arabs from Yemen.
Any differences in R1 DNA between curries and Euros do not matter, ultimately they came from the same ancestor from the Steppe, but this may not even be important, because majority of India carries Haplogroup H, not R1.
There is no such thing as central asian iranians or native central asians because noone lived there, central asians are mixture of iranians from the Middle East and invaders from the Steppe as well as some minor eastern DNA. Iranians are not their own group, they are middle eastern, your usage of MENA isnt even accurate either because North Africans arent necessarily middle eastern. This also backs up CHG being middle eastern because you said CHG is closest to "Iranian cluster" seems like you make up clusters as you go along.
Modern Europeans do not have high ANF apart from some south Europeans/meds and robust Nordics carrying haplogroup I, other than that, Europeans are mostly based on Western Hunter Gatherer and Ancient North Eurasian with only little Anatolian Neolithic Farmer influence overall.

Even if your claims of significant Iranian mixture in the average pajeet true it would not even matter, the veddoid genes are the ones being expressed/dominant. We all have the same genes technically, only real difference is how they are expressed and how recent they are as well as how malleable they are.

1 caucaus is its own group its genetically distinct on many pcas ive seen hell its even distinct from some iranan populations even iran has genetic diversity but iranans do form a cline with the caucacus.

2 the genes for roundish faces are not affected by ones autosomal dna but selection of the females and males end you plenty of eurpean phenotyped with round faces.


3 your fucking wrong on the h scale majority carry r1a on the y chromome.

4 distinctions matter in this context because ehile there similar there still different even if the difference is smaller compared to distances in other comparisions for instance the distance between east asians and whites are much larger than an iranan and an mena situated person

When modeled on a pca the difference show especially when comparing only west eurasians.


5 as for why arabs in yemen have it its maybe because they are high in neolethic iranan which themselves is very close to chg.

6 differences between sub haplogroups do matter matter a lot they show if an sub haplogroup is region specefic i mean we all share the same original with africans but that doesnt neccarily mean modern populations are descended from africans.


7 are caucasians are very similar to start with this is according to numerous genetic but even within that there is differences i'm not missing the term mena here cause north africa has a lot arabian blood from levant especially and a lot of european blood especially in some parts of algeria. And the guanches.

8 the fuck are you on about i need a source on modern euros being low on anf.

9 iranan isnt a good term either majority of iranans not from central asia and eastern iran are not steppe+iran neoelthic.


There steppe 20 percent+ iran chaloclethic+some annatolian.

Eastern iranans and tajiks are steppe+iran neoelthic plus for tajiks 5 percent gook.

10 its not a question of if and iranan isnt even the right word per say it's genetically distint from a lot of modern populations.

The best term i would give is its an meso lethic hunter gathrer unique to a lot of south and central asia that arose from an earlier split with the iranan farmers.

Also i agree veddiod is a subhuman gene line my point was to point out if indians had just steppe and neoelthic iran they would look indo nordic.


Also going back to the original claim of all this to start with indo nordic is not an middle eastern phenotype it is an indid phenotype with higher yamnaya and steppe contributions which evolved in a colder mountain like climate its why its found a lot in kashmir its why they in general look so distinct yet south asian

 

[reptiles]

A rounder skull is caused by genes, part of your DNA is your gene expression, which genes are activated/deactivated, which is what can be affected by environment. This is what creates a person's phenotype, your physical form is determined by gene expression.
Caucasus does mean middle eastern, Caucasus is in West Asia which is part of the Middle East, these imaginary clusters of yours dont really matter, as you said yourself, geographically close populations tend to share DNA so no surprise they share genes with Anatolians and Northern Iranians. Iranians are a native middle eastern population.
And you did not answer why J1 peaks in Caucasus but also in Southern Arabs from Yemen.
Any differences in R1 DNA between curries and Euros do not matter, ultimately they came from the same ancestor from the Steppe, but this may not even be important, because majority of India carries Haplogroup H, not R1.
There is no such thing as central asian iranians or native central asians because noone lived there, central asians are mixture of iranians from the Middle East and invaders from the Steppe as well as some minor eastern DNA. Iranians are not their own group, they are middle eastern, your usage of MENA isnt even accurate either because North Africans arent necessarily middle eastern. This also backs up CHG being middle eastern because you said CHG is closest to "Iranian cluster" seems like you make up clusters as you go along.
Modern Europeans do not have high ANF apart from some south Europeans/meds and robust Nordics carrying haplogroup I, other than that, Europeans are mostly based on Western Hunter Gatherer and Ancient North Eurasian with only little Anatolian Neolithic Farmer influence overall.

Even if your claims of significant Iranian mixture in the average pajeet true it would not even matter, the veddoid genes are the ones being expressed/dominant. We all have the same genes technically, only real difference is how they are expressed and how recent they are as well as how malleable they are.

Btw do you not see any similarties facially? I do heavily over all skull shape is very similar even the orbital spacing whats different is the cephalic index and the lighter skin colour.

 

[justadude]

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are you sure thats not his sister? or do all ugly whites have that look jfl

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

Water

Literally in the name and description

 

[0Ace0]

1 caucaus is its own group its genetically distinct on many pcas ive seen hell its even distinct from some iranan populations even iran has genetic diversity but iranans do form a cline with the caucacus.

2 the genes for roundish faces are not affected by ones autosomal dna but selection of the females and males end you plenty of eurpean phenotyped with round faces.


3 your fucking wrong on the h scale majority carry r1a on the y chromome.

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4 distinctions matter in this context because ehile there similar there still different even if the difference is smaller compared to distances in other comparisions for instance the distance between east asians and whites are much larger than an iranan and an mena situated personView attachment 1356169

When modeled on a pca the difference show especially when comparing only west eurasians.


5 as for why arabs in yemen have it its maybe because they are high in neolethic iranan which themselves is very close to chg.

6 differences between sub haplogroups do matter matter a lot they show if an sub haplogroup is region specefic i mean we all share the same original with africans but that doesnt neccarily mean modern populations are descended from africans.


7 are caucasians are very similar to start with this is according to numerous genetic but even within that there is differences i'm not missing the term mena here cause north africa has a lot arabian blood from levant especially and a lot of european blood especially in some parts of algeria. And the guanches.

8 the fuck are you on about i need a source on modern euros being low on anf.

9 iranan isnt a good term either majority of iranans not from central asia and eastern iran are not steppe+iran neoelthic.


There steppe 20 percent+ iran chaloclethic+some annatolian.

Eastern iranans and tajiks are steppe+iran neoelthic plus for tajiks 5 percent gook.

10 its not a question of if and iranan isnt even the right word per say it's genetically distint from a lot of modern populations.

The best term i would give is its an meso lethic hunter gathrer unique to a lot of south and central asia that arose from an earlier split with the iranan farmers.

Also i agree veddiod is a subhuman gene line my point was to point out if indians had just steppe and neoelthic iran they would look indo nordic.


Also going back to the original claim of all this to start with indo nordic is not an middle eastern phenotype it is an indid phenotype with higher yamnaya and steppe contributions which evolved in a colder mountain like climate its why its found a lot in kashmir its why they in general look so distinct yet south asian

Caucasus being its own group or not does not make it not middle eastern
Autosomal DNA simply means non gender-specific DNA which would involve genes regarding phenotype all the pajeets with round fat faces will have children with round fat faces
Thats surprising I thought North Indians would have more R1 lineage turns out theyre more pajeet than I thought
So I actually did some more digging on this for a more recent genetic study since there seems to be limited material and found this:

Seems pretty accurate, only disagreement is I would include Punjab in the 50/50 category
Iranian (middle eastern) and "MENA" clusters are similar, what a surprise.
First you said CHG is its own distinct group now you say CHG and neolithic iranian are very similar so which one is it? Anywho reason I used Yemen is because anyone who knows about Arabian history/clans knows that Yemen is known for having the "purest Arabians", this coincides with the fact J1 steadily increases closer you get to Yemen, unless you say pure arabians are just undercover Iranians, of course they could never be middle eastern right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Arabia
Majority of North African DNA is in fact not middle eastern, with the exception of maybe parts of Libya and Egypt

I never said all Europeans are low in ANF, I said most of western/northern European DNA is from WHG and ANE whereas southern Europeans/meds are the ones with higher middle eastern ancestry

Europe's family tree has a THIRD branch

Europeans have DNA from Ancient North Eurasians. This group also contributed DNA to people who travelled across the Bering Strait, according to a study by Harvard Medical School in Boston.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Since you like Daily Mail articles, notice the map corresponding to Iran/Levant/Arabia/Caucasus, all under the term "Middle Eastern Farmers"
Dont know why you keep saying "Indians without Veddoid blood" they would not be Indian without Veddoid blood, that is their most unique defining component that separates them from other Asian groups

 

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If there self hating yeah most curries statiscally prefer indian women.

Hell indians are even more agaist race mixing than this forum leads on the whole system allbeit flawed points towards this

Also while indians like light skin its relative there is a certain point where it stops.

Finally someone understands it. Most Indians prefer that medium fair complexion even if the guy is light skinned -

This above guy is ideal as per Indian people, but then a lot people also prefer dark skin tone which makes men look masculine and women a little more familiar looking to Indians -