Infraorbital implants? (SUMMONING HIGH IQ'S)

[Deleted member 18694]

Oh dam I need either implants or that plus fat grafting for the mid face. I got a quote for $5175 for grafting and $4500 for the bleph. This is in Rural BC. Van is expensive as fuck.

i just need lower and fat grafting around eye. im really hoping to spend no more than 10k...


I refuse to do fat repostioning its too weird to look at and i dont wanna shift fat levels around my face.

 

[adonischeeks]

i just need lower and fat grafting around eye. im really hoping to spend no more than 10k...


I refuse to do fat repostioning its too weird to look at and i dont wanna shift fat levels around my face.

What do you mean it’s weird too look at? You talking about dem feminine apple looking cheeks? Im pretty much looking for the same as you but I’m not sure if it’s just the eye area. I’m trying to minimize my smile lines too. I think 10-11k will cover it.

 

[Deleted member 18694]

What do you mean it’s weird too look at? You talking about dem feminine apple looking cheeks? Im pretty much looking for the same as you but I’m not sure if it’s just the eye area. I’m trying to minimize my smile lines too. I think 10-11k will cover it.

Before doing that you can buy yourself a derminator 2 and microneedle that part...it works to reduce nasol folds but microtearing the skin and forcing itself to repair itself.


Yeah fat repostioning is a bit too invasive for me personally just weird to see the surgeries. Also, its just my theory but fat repostioning is of course more predictable than fat grafting but because you're relocating fat elsewhere from the face I feel like it might make other parts more hollow. I rather just grab fat from my ass and paste it around my eyes.

 

[poopmaster22]

What he is saying is correct. However, he left out another pile of information. I can produce other surgeons who can say that silicon implants ought to be banned.

I have CT scans from guys and gals where I can see the damage caused by silicone. Now, we are ONLY talking about erosion here.

Silicone implants cost $600 and this is the ONLY AND REAL REASON why doctors still use them. They are not illegal, but they sure are terrible. They can easily shift even after they gave been "screwed". Unlike older guys like myself, you guys are lucky you have this and other similar forums where you can learn from real patients.

Is this the same for Peek? Like long term could be erosion, need to come out, or they become ineffective on filling in the problem?

 

[Sal]

just a little over 5mm in projection already completely altered the look of my face, i can't imagine getting more than that just to have completely sal free undereyes, i looked legit gook right after surgery.

if i got like 7-8mm with more saddle projection i might have gotten the result you're looking for. but ion think that would look natural on my face.

If this is possible then I'm 110% gonna ask for it. 8mm with lots of saddle projection. That would be perfecttt

 

[herring]

If this is possible then I'm 110% gonna ask for it. 8mm with lots of saddle projection. That would be perfecttt

its really just about the amount of projection in the end, pagnoni will try to talk you out of going past 6mm tho lol

 

[Deleted member 18840]

its really just about the amount of projection in the end, pagnoni will try to talk you out of going past 6mm tho lol

Post your current tbh. It sucks how the price of a fucking piece of plastic is 12k

 

[Sal]

its really just about the amount of projection in the end, pagnoni will try to talk you out of going past 6mm tho lol

Imma be real up front with him. It's either 8-9 or nothing. Then the jew in him will concede and take my money.

Post your current tbh. It sucks how the price of a fucking piece of plastic is 12k

Supply and demand my friend. It's a crazy world we live in

 

[Erik-Jón]

Price? Can he fix nct with infras or cantho only ?

No matter, epply doesn’t fix pheno

 

[Deleted member 18840]

No matter, epply doesn’t fix pheno

Tbh. But i don’t mind i like my pheno, just want to be flawless.

 

[Erik-Jón]

Tbh. But i don’t mind i like my pheno, just want to be flawless.

It was over for me when they picked my pheno

 

[Jade]

Is this the same for Peek? Like long term could be erosion, need to come out, or they become ineffective on filling in the problem?

Usually, the complications attributed to silicone aren't due to the material's chemical composition itself but how they behave in terms of strength, malleability, or softness.

Silicone moves easily, and it is a mess. Silicone can be fantastic for other applications, but on the face (on the bone) has been proven to cause lots of problems.

Peek is a solid material and behaves differently. I prefer non-porous Polyethylene (UHMWPE).

 

[Jade]

its really just about the amount of projection in the end, pagnoni will try to talk you out of going past 6mm tho lol

It should not be about numbers. Rather, it is about what is best for the patient's look or need.

Standard implants serve as good guides, but a 5,6, 8, or 12 mm is not relevant.

 

[Jade]

Post your current tbh. It sucks how the price of a fucking piece of plastic is 12k

It is not 12k. You guys only talk about a few doctors, so of course, they will charge whatever they want because you guys make them exclusive and unique.

 

[herring]

It should not be about numbers. Rather, it is about what is best for the patient's look or need.

Standard implants serve as good guides, but a 5,6, 8, or 12 mm is not relevant.

it is tbh, bigger implants = more soft tissue support

obviously it varies from case to case, but i talked with a two other unsatisfied pagnoni patients, both of them complaining about "underwhelming" results. just like @Sal they liked the result while still swollen but as the swelling went down slowly realized they should have gotten more projections to counter act their respective infraorbital recession.

of course the design itself is also very important, just tell pags to give you a "sharper" design to avoid looking too feminized post surgery and use common sense to decide when a certain design doesn't fit your individual skull.

but if you want those aspie perma squint eyes as many here do, and you're starting out with semi rounded orbitals like me, you're gonna need bigger implants.

 

[Jade]

it is tbh, bigger implants = more soft tissue support

obviously it varies from case to case, but i talked with a two other unsatisfied pagnoni patients, both of them complaining about "underwhelming" results. just like @Sal they liked the result while still swollen but as the swelling went down slowly realized they should have gotten more projections to counter act their respective infraorbital recession.

of course the design itself is also very important, just tell pags to give you a "sharper" design to avoid looking too feminized post surgery and use common sense to decide when a certain design doesn't fit your individual skull.

but if you want those aspie perma squint eyes as many here do, and you're starting out with semi rounded orbitals like me, you're gonna need bigger implants.

I like that you are very specific.

Question:
Is Looksmax primarily a European forum? Why do so many of you talk about Pagnoni and Ramieri so much?

I mean, there are hundreds if not thousands of surgeons that could do this correctly for a lot less.

I am sincerely curious as to why you guys see it this way.

 

[poopmaster22]

Usually, the complications attributed to silicone aren't due to the material's chemical composition itself but how they behave in terms of strength, malleability, or softness.

Silicone moves easily, and it is a mess. Silicone can be fantastic for other applications, but on the face (on the bone) has been proven to cause lots of problems.

Peek is a solid material and behaves differently. I prefer non-porous Polyethylene (UHMWPE).

Wait is non porous poly offered by any docs or is Peek the best thing out there available? See I do plan on getting something for my eye bags and tear trough's and assume infraorbitals rims through Peek wpild be the best but worry overtime it may not behave how it should and either cause problems(need taken out) or lose effectiveness(not fill in the trough crease) assuming I go to a good doc(Ramieri/Pag) could this happen?

 

[Jade]

Wait is non porous poly offered by any docs or is Peek the best thing out there available? See I do plan on getting something for my eye bags and tear trough's and assume infraorbitals rims through Peek wpild be the best but worry overtime it may not behave how it should and either cause problems(need taken out) or lose effectiveness(not fill in the trough crease) assuming I go to a good doc(Ramieri/Pag) could this happen?

In other threads, I have talked a lot about (UHMWPE) in detail. Please read my previous threads and responses on other Jaw, Chin, and Cheek threads.

There is no such thing as "best," only different. However, silicone is very problematic.

PEEK or (UHMWPE) are excellent choices. I prefer (UHMWPE) because it is a bit more malleable and less expensive.

UHMWPE has been traditionally used on hip, knee, and shoulder replacements. You can see UHMWPE on corrective spinal surgeries.

Any Maxillofacial surgeon can do these surgeries easily. Why do you choose Dr. Pagnani or Dr. Ramieri?

Do you live in Rome?

 

[poopmaster22]

In other threads, I have talked a lot about (UHMWPE) in detail. Please read my previous threads and responses on other Jaw, Chin, and Cheek threads.

There is no such thing as "best," only different. However, silicone is very problematic.

PEEK or (UHMWPE) are excellent choices. I prefer (UHMWPE) because it is a bit more malleable and less expensive.

UHMWPE has been traditionally used on hip, knee, and shoulder replacements. You can see UHMWPE on corrective spinal surgeries.

Any Maxillofacial surgeon can do these surgeries easily. Why do you choose Dr. Pagnani or Dr. Ramieri?

Do you live in Rome?

No I don’t live in Rome but US docs charge an arm and leg and most don’t do anything other than silicone so I just assume them unless you have other good surgeons you can dm

 

[Jade]

No I don’t live in Rome but US docs charge an arm and leg and most don’t do anything other than silicone so I just assume them unless you have other good surgeons you can dm

I am also from the USA , and as I have explained in this forum before, I have worked with many patients and some doctors here in the US, Canada , and Mexico .

I have also said that I can be biased because I occasionally transact with these doctors, and everything I say should be taken with "a grain of salt."

No. I can not give you a "list" or any names because I do not know you well, and I do not present potentially difficult cases to the few doctors I work with.

You can read about my experience in my previous threads and comments. We would never work with silicon.

 

[poopmaster22]

I am also from the USA , and as I have explained in this forum before, I have worked with many patients and some doctors here in the US, Canada , and Mexico .

I have also said that I can be biased because I occasionally transact with these doctors, and everything I say should be taken with "a grain of salt."

No. I can not give you a "list" or any names because I do not know you well, and I do not present potentially difficult cases to the few doctors I work with.

You can read about my experience in my previous threads and comments. We would never work with silicon.

My case wouldn’t be difficult

 

[Jade]

Filters don’t fix the problem like fat grafting does. It’s like a 1 year makeup. Fat grafting modifies the soft tissue, which directly fixes the problem brought on by black circles.

Fillers don’t dissolve properly and can migrate to the parts of your face you’d like to be hollow. It’s going to give you a asymmetrical look.

Fillers = 1 - 2 years
Fat repositioning = 10 - 15 years

It’s easy to mess up the operation. That’s why it’s best to go the top doctors in the world.

My guess for just fat repositioning would be $5k. Plus infras and around $15-20k altogether

That is too much. Also, any reputable doctor can achieve safe and aesthetically pleasing results with the right implants. You'd want to get a warranty for your implants.

 

[MrRubiks]

keep me updated

Send me a dm in a few weeks and I'll show you the after pics.

 

[Sal]

That is too much. Also, any reputable doctor can achieve safe and aesthetically pleasing results with the right implants. You'd want to get a warranty for your implants.

Really? Too much money or too much being done?

 

[Jade]

Really? Too much money or too much being done?

At least for me, too much money. I understand why they would charge like that, but these days, there are more options.

 

[Oberyn]

Thousands of capable and reputable surgeons can perform the procedure without any problems.

The issue is not the surgeons themselves. There are other verifiable and specific reasons why you don't see more surgeons offering custom infraorbital implants.

Thousands? tell me a few then except pagnoni and eppley

 

[Jade]

Thousands? tell me a few then except pagnoni and eppley

Any reputable Maxillofacial surgeon in your city can perform these surgeries well if they have the right implants.

The problem is not the surgeon but the implants themselves. Most surgeons do not know how to design implants; if they do, they do not understand what good aesthetics are.

So, get the perfect implants, and just as importantly, ensure they come with a satisfaction guarantee.

 

[Blackgymmax]

No he fucking did not. I talked with him. He had to cope with aegyo sal. Stop with that bs.

His swelling stage were really good.

This was when was a few days post op:
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Good results. I would 100% get it if this is the permanent result...

Guess what?

It isn't.

The disgusting fat came back afterwards:

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not aegyo sal or whatever, because his lower orbitals arent projected enough the skin sliding up his eyelid

 

[Blackgymmax]

There isn't one good result man. Not one.

I'm tryna get something like this

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needs to be a custom shape that hasnt been designed before so that it actually gives you deeper set eyes on the infra and just doesnt push it up. i guess without that it just looks like youre perma squinting

 

[Blackgymmax]

No he fucking did not. I talked with him. He had to cope with aegyo sal. Stop with that bs.

His swelling stage were really good.

This was when was a few days post op:
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Good results. I would 100% get it if this is the permanent result...

Guess what?

It isn't.

The disgusting fat came back afterwards:

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in fact, i think the whole ORBIT needs to move forward else the upper part of the supras match the deepsetness of the lower and i assume thats why it looks like hes just squinting

 

[Pagnonisavemyeyes]

what a bunch of cope. LMAO

if designed correctly implants can ascend HARD

You got infras?

 

[Pagnonisavemyeyes]

U seen last pics from
Herring pm me
And i will pm you what surgeon to go to ascend infras i will go to him too

What surgeon ?

 

[Pagnonisavemyeyes]

He is throwing neck lipo and other things like that in there - he is good at selling his stuff.

I am currently working with one of his ex-patients. He had two custom implants with Eppley and still isn't happy. Friend, why would you do silicone? Please read the forums around here.

Also, you will easily pay over 20K and that is not necessary these days.

So then who can one go to for infras? Lol

 

[Pagnonisavemyeyes]

Ok! Do you have any warranties?

It seems to me as though you have entered the denial zone where you must justify your decisions and will defend your doctor. You are nervous and don't know what to do because you have planned a lot.

Vacation or time off from work, family or friends, and money. All of these things will not let you think straight.

You are at the point where you are willing to "RISK" it.

I have had FOUR procedures and three wraparounds.

Bud, you will do what you will, but you wouldn't be here if your gut feeling weren't telling you that something is 100% right.

There are other alternatives. Good luck, sincerely.

What are the other alts?

 

[wollet2]

Those are infraorbital rim implants and in my opinion, a complete scam. You'll regret wasting money on it.
Just have a projected maxilla, use vitamin c serum,and maybe some concealer and dark circles won't be an issue.
Some post op bimax patients have their dark circles gone after from what I know

what do you mean they are a complete scam. how do u know op doesnt have non existant infra orbitals?

 

[wollet2]

Cheekbones and orbital rim is very imp for males ngl.

cheekbone implants are dogshit

 

[wollet2]

What do you mean by "a good surgeon"? A "good surgeon" will not necessarily produce aesthetically pleasing results.

 

[wollet2]

Does anyone know the exact surgery done and who it's been done by?

Really thinking about this for dark circles.

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this guy probably got implants just saying the result could easily be frauded with squinting - soft tissue manipulation in that lighting

 

[alfonsi]

My design I’m doing with Pagnoni I’m not sure it may be too aggressive I might tell him to do less projection forward right now it’s at 6mm thick

 

[Sal]

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Let me know how this goes okay?

If fat grafting doesn't work for my under eyes I'm going with him (7mm infra orb saddle projection)

 

[zeek]

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When is your surgery

 

[alfonsi]

When is your surgery

in the fall october

Let me know how this goes okay?

If fat grafting doesn't work for my under eyes I'm going with him (7mm infra orb saddle projection)

can i see your designs at 7mm. you dont think 4-5mm is enough? pagnoni says he can revise them to be smaller.
@herring how much projection is yours? do you feel like you needed more projection or are happy as is