ZyzzBrah
surgery + roids = ascension
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He's blackpilled a fuck too, he called out the bluepilled "muh functional surgery" retards on that god forsaken subreddit:
Now that I’m 9 months post-op and fully settled into my new normal, I’ve had a lot of time to reflect on the entire journey. While the physical changes are obvious in the photos, I wanted to take this opportunity to talk about the mental aspect of the decision-making process. I’ve been reading this sub for a long time, and I see the same fears and debates come up constantly, so I wanted to offer a perspective that I feel is often missing or silenced here.
To start, I want to be completely transparent about my own motivations. Although I had clear health indications for this surgery, like many of you, I had a strong desire for improved facial aesthetics. If I’m being honest, that desire probably trumped the functional reasons.
I’ve noticed a heavy taboo on this subreddit when it comes to discussing the aesthetic implications of DJS. There is a moral superiority complex in this sub where people believe suffering for health is noble, but suffering for confidence is vain. Because of this, there is pressure to pretend that the surgery is purely for health and that the cosmetic changes are just a minor 'happy accident,' but I think we need to talk about it more freely.
My stance is that this stigma is ill-founded. It is an uncomfortable truth, but studies consistently show that physical attractiveness correlates with higher quality of life and success in relationships and careers. Obviously, looks are only one piece of the puzzle, and if you don’t have the intellect, charisma, or personality to match, you won’t get as far as someone who wins in those departments but is less physically attractive. But to completely deny the impact of aesthetics is ignoring reality.
Many people push the message that this is a functional-only surgery and that it is wrong to want to do it for aesthetic reasons. I fundamentally disagree. HOWEVER, I think it's extremely important to understand that although this surgery is widely considered very safe, it is not by any means risk-free and if your functional issues are not bad enough to justify the potential risks, then you have to decide if your aesthetic concerns justify the risks — but only YOU should decide that, and you shouldn't feel guilty for it.
That being said, you have very little way to know exactly how much better you will look after the surgery. Results fall on a bell curve: some people have results that look nearly identical to their pre-op self, while others end up with a dramatic result that completely changes their appearance. I often get asked how to replicate a specific aesthetic result, and the hard truth is that you can’t. It takes a unique combination of the surgeon’s skill, the specific movements required, and the genetic base you are starting with. The only variable there you can somewhat control (if you have the money) is the surgeon, and the rest is largely out of your hands.
Because of that uncertainty, when deciding if the surgery is worth it, do not look at the top 1% of transformations. Look at the average, mediocre results. Ask yourself: 'If I go through this pain and cost, and I end up looking roughly the same but with my bite fixed, would I still be happy?' If the answer is no, then you are gambling with your face and health, and setting yourself up for potential disappointment.
One final reality check for the aesthetic-focused patients: Do not expect this surgery to be the 'final fix' that permanently silences your insecurities. The pursuit of aesthetic perfection is often a moving goalpost. Once you fix your jaw, your brain will just find the next "flaw" to obsess over. Even though I am objectively thrilled with my result and look much better, I still find myself considering other procedures to further refine things. If you go into this thinking it will fundamentally cure your desire to change yourself, you might be mistaken. It changes your bones, not your nature.
Finally, regarding recovery: This sub is often dominated by valid but terrifying stories of complications like non-union or severe infections. It’s important to remember that while these happen, they are outliers, but so was my experience on the other end of the spectrum. I expected hell but honestly found the recovery comparable to a bad flu. I went on a 13km walk 4 days post-op, which my surgeon had never seen before (DON’T DO THIS - again, outlier). Since the reality for most people lies somewhere in the messy middle between those two extremes, how you weigh these risks should depend entirely on your motivation.
If you have serious functional issues that impact your quality of life, do not let the horror stories scare you away from a necessary health intervention. You need to know that smooth recoveries like mine actually do exist. However, if you are doing this primarily for aesthetic reasons, I think it is safer to ignore my positive experience and actually focus on the worst-case scenarios. Since there are much safer ways to become more attractive, you shouldn't base your decision on a best-case outcome. You need to look at the horror stories and decide if you'd still be willing to take the risk, because when it's just for looks, the bar for 'worth it' needs to be much higher.
To start, I want to be completely transparent about my own motivations. Although I had clear health indications for this surgery, like many of you, I had a strong desire for improved facial aesthetics. If I’m being honest, that desire probably trumped the functional reasons.
I’ve noticed a heavy taboo on this subreddit when it comes to discussing the aesthetic implications of DJS. There is a moral superiority complex in this sub where people believe suffering for health is noble, but suffering for confidence is vain. Because of this, there is pressure to pretend that the surgery is purely for health and that the cosmetic changes are just a minor 'happy accident,' but I think we need to talk about it more freely.
My stance is that this stigma is ill-founded. It is an uncomfortable truth, but studies consistently show that physical attractiveness correlates with higher quality of life and success in relationships and careers. Obviously, looks are only one piece of the puzzle, and if you don’t have the intellect, charisma, or personality to match, you won’t get as far as someone who wins in those departments but is less physically attractive. But to completely deny the impact of aesthetics is ignoring reality.
Many people push the message that this is a functional-only surgery and that it is wrong to want to do it for aesthetic reasons. I fundamentally disagree. HOWEVER, I think it's extremely important to understand that although this surgery is widely considered very safe, it is not by any means risk-free and if your functional issues are not bad enough to justify the potential risks, then you have to decide if your aesthetic concerns justify the risks — but only YOU should decide that, and you shouldn't feel guilty for it.
That being said, you have very little way to know exactly how much better you will look after the surgery. Results fall on a bell curve: some people have results that look nearly identical to their pre-op self, while others end up with a dramatic result that completely changes their appearance. I often get asked how to replicate a specific aesthetic result, and the hard truth is that you can’t. It takes a unique combination of the surgeon’s skill, the specific movements required, and the genetic base you are starting with. The only variable there you can somewhat control (if you have the money) is the surgeon, and the rest is largely out of your hands.
Because of that uncertainty, when deciding if the surgery is worth it, do not look at the top 1% of transformations. Look at the average, mediocre results. Ask yourself: 'If I go through this pain and cost, and I end up looking roughly the same but with my bite fixed, would I still be happy?' If the answer is no, then you are gambling with your face and health, and setting yourself up for potential disappointment.
One final reality check for the aesthetic-focused patients: Do not expect this surgery to be the 'final fix' that permanently silences your insecurities. The pursuit of aesthetic perfection is often a moving goalpost. Once you fix your jaw, your brain will just find the next "flaw" to obsess over. Even though I am objectively thrilled with my result and look much better, I still find myself considering other procedures to further refine things. If you go into this thinking it will fundamentally cure your desire to change yourself, you might be mistaken. It changes your bones, not your nature.
Finally, regarding recovery: This sub is often dominated by valid but terrifying stories of complications like non-union or severe infections. It’s important to remember that while these happen, they are outliers, but so was my experience on the other end of the spectrum. I expected hell but honestly found the recovery comparable to a bad flu. I went on a 13km walk 4 days post-op, which my surgeon had never seen before (DON’T DO THIS - again, outlier). Since the reality for most people lies somewhere in the messy middle between those two extremes, how you weigh these risks should depend entirely on your motivation.
If you have serious functional issues that impact your quality of life, do not let the horror stories scare you away from a necessary health intervention. You need to know that smooth recoveries like mine actually do exist. However, if you are doing this primarily for aesthetic reasons, I think it is safer to ignore my positive experience and actually focus on the worst-case scenarios. Since there are much safer ways to become more attractive, you shouldn't base your decision on a best-case outcome. You need to look at the horror stories and decide if you'd still be willing to take the risk, because when it's just for looks, the bar for 'worth it' needs to be much higher.
Fucking lmao if you aren't saving up for surgery this very moment, I am roided 6ft3 MTN, and have had 2 girlfriends in the past, but I am still not satisfied and need a trimax to truly ascend. Hypergamy is only going to get worse in time, jfl at not trying to ascend as much as possible in this fucked up dating market.
