IQ BATTLE LIGHT YAGAMI VS LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA ANIMECELS GTFIH

no, you just didnt understand it
I did. Light became super low iq and had huge oversights at the end which led to his demise. The writers did this with the intention of enforcing the character trope that the antagonist always looses. The ending was simply rushed.
 
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I always thought Lelouch's grand plan was bullshit compared to Schneizel's. It didn't work with Hitler :feelshaha:
 
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lelouch iq mogs hard
 
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I did. Light became super low iq and had huge oversights at the end which led to his demise. The writers did this with the intention of enforcing the character trope that the antagonist always looses. The ending was simply rushed.
Light isn't the antagonist, the antagonist won, and Light, the protagonist, lost.
 
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I did. Light became super low iq and had huge oversights at the end which led to his demise. The writers did this with the intention of enforcing the character trope that the antagonist always looses. The ending was simply rushed.
naur, he just placed too much trust in miakmi and got outplayed by near. You act like he lost to a retard.

And I don't think that was the writers' intention considering it light was the protagonist meaning people were rooting for him. No one was really 'rooting' for near even though he was morally correct.
 
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I did. Light became super low iq and had huge oversights at the end which led to his demise. The writers did this with the intention of enforcing the character trope that the antagonist always looses. The ending was simply rushed.
Fun fact the entire part after L died wasn't even planned. The writer of the manga initially wanted to end the manga when L died. But the manga publishers wanted him to continue and make more money. So we got the mid part after L's death. The ending feels weird and rushed, because the writer was forced to keep writing.
 
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naur, he just placed too much trust in miakmi and got outplayed by near. You act like he lost to a retard.

And I don't think that was the writers' intention considering it light was the protagonist meaning people were rooting for him. No one was really 'rooting' for near even though he was morally correct.
It was mostly Mello putting Light in a tight spot that led to Mikami slipping up tbh. Near and Mello could not do shit to Light on their own. So they teamed up without even knowing lol.
 
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Fun fact the entire part after L died wasn't even planned. The writer of the manga initially wanted to end the manga when L died. But the manga publishers wanted him to continue and make more money. So we got the mid part after L's death. The ending feels weird and rushed, because the writer was forced to keep writing.
@ChadL1te ha, I was right :p
 
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@ChadL1te ha, I was right :p
No, you werent at all:feelskek: You said the writers gave this ending because they wanted to sustain the idea of bad guys losing and good guys winning.

You literally thought light was the antagonist :forcedsmile: mirin iq
 
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he was morally correct.
highly subjective claim. Capital penalty is widely debated, there isn't really a widely agreed upon morally superior
he just placed too much trust in miakmi and got outplayed by near
it was ultimately his plan, Miakmi was meant to be used as a pawn, Light's failure was purely on him imo.
You act like he lost to a retard.
if light defeated L, and near was L's apprentice, it's pretty unlikely that he was so easily outplayed.
 
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No, you werent at all:feelskek: You said the writers gave this ending because they wanted to sustain the idea of bad guys losing and good guys winning.

You literally thought light was the antagonist :forcedsmile: mirin iq
misspoke, just replace antagonist with villain I guess.
 
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highly subjective claim. Capital penalty is widely debated, there isn't really a widely agreed upon morally superior
Yeah sure, i was associating that with 'good vs bad guys'
f light defeated L, and near was L's apprentice, it's pretty unlikely that he was so easily outplayed.
I see your point but this was because light's task was WAYYY easier compared to L's. L for one knew he was guilty for a while but had the harder task of proving it. Whereas Light had a literal shinigami on his side and access to his tools not to mention the huge advantage of knowing of the shinigami's existence. L set the framework for near
 
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Yeah sure, i was associating that with 'good vs bad guys'

I see your point but this was because light's task was WAYYY easier compared to L's. L for one knew he was guilty for a while but had the harder task of proving it. Whereas Light had a literal shinigami on his side and access to his tools not to mention the huge advantage of knowing of the shinigami's existence. L set the framework for near
fair, but I think the way he was defeated was lazy. I could literally see the outcome happening before it even happened which isn't really suppose to happen unless I'm more perspicacious than light, which I am not.
 
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highly subjective claim. Capital penalty is widely debated, there isn't really a widely agreed upon morally superior
Even with your statement, Light was considered the 'bad guy'. And he didn't become Super LOW IQ, he got overconfident, and that was to be expected after he killed L. Light underestimated Near simply because he isn't L, he wasn't expecting someone competent because he thought L was one of a kind. He was blind and overconfident.
fair, but I think the way he was defeated was lazy. I could literally see the outcome happening before it even happened which isn't really suppose to happen unless I'm more perspicacious than light, which I am not.
Because Light got predictable, it's simple.
Being super High IQ doesn't make Light immune to his emotions that made him take bad decisions, it's kinda like the start of the show, Light has always made some mistakes here and there.
Everyone can become predictable, and it wasn't unrealistic for Light to become so overconfident.
 
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@ChadL1te I'm siding with you, bro, this guy didn't understand what happened in Death Note.
 
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Both are gay
 
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Light yagami

I hate lelouch he is a little bitch suzaku the real G
 
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Being super High IQ doesn't make Light immune to his emotions that made him take bad decisions
odd that his emotions didn't impair his judgment to such an extent anywhere else in the show. He was portrayed as overly precautious at almost every point in the show until the end which honestly spoiled it for me. He was way more thorough before, I doubt his victory over L was enough for him to get outplayed so easily.
 
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Lyte
 
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Even with your statement, Light was considered the 'bad guy'
Structurally, he is the bad guy as he is breaking the law however, this doesn't change if he is moral or not. This is just a straw man, I never claimed he was the 'good guy'.
 
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not necessarily in the eyes of the audience and some of the characters. That's a subjective claim.
If Light wasn't ever considered the bad guy, why did you say that Light lost in a rushed ending only to sustain the idea that bad guys always lose?
odd that his emotions didn't impair his judgment to such an extent anywhere else in the show. He was portrayed as overly precautious at almost every point in the show until the end which honestly spoiled it for me. He was way more thorough before, I doubt his victory over L was enough for him to get outplayed so easily.
I could be just like you and say that everything is subjective, yeah, I'll just state facts and not address anything you said.
Since it's only your opinion, it doesn't matter, right? This whole argument we're having is based on our opinions.

In my opinion, it makes sense for Light to get so overconfident at the end because, like I said:
Light underestimated Near simply because he isn't L, he wasn't expecting someone competent because he thought L was one of a kind. He was blind and overconfident.
And this is VERY important, important enough to make you believe that Light was dumbed down and nerfed for the show to end this way.
 
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Lelouch is a cunning military strategist, and Yagami is a psychopath manipulator.
 
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Structurally, he is the bad guy as he is breaking the law however, this doesn't change if he is moral or not. This is just a straw man, I never claimed he was the 'good guy'.
That's not the point I was making...
 
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And him being the bad guy structurally is enough for him to be considered the bad guy. Or else, why would you say that he lost only to continue the trope of the bad guy losing?
 
If Light wasn't ever considered the bad guy, why did you say that Light lost in a rushed ending only to sustain the idea that bad guys always lose?
you strawmaned me, good job punk bitch, you got me. I didn't once claim prior he was the 'good guy' in the show.
I could be just like you and say that everything is subjective, yeah, I'll just state facts and not address anything you said.
Since it's only your opinion, it doesn't matter, right? This whole argument we're having is based on our opinions.

In my opinion, it makes sense for Light to get so overconfident at the end because, like I said:
wether or not the ending is perceived as rushed is subjective. I presented information then stated how this made the ending bad which is a subjective conclusion. I believe my conclusion is superior to yours because of the facts I've presented paired with my perception of these facts (character acts a certain way the entire show, then acts in a way which contradicts prior actions heavily at the end, ultimately leading to his demise).
And this is VERY important, important enough to make you believe that Light was dumbed down and nerfed for the show to end this way.
I'm saying I find this overconfidence irrational and the actions which followed it irrational and completely out of character
 
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dnr, dio mogs.

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why would you say that he lost only to continue the trope of the bad guy losing?
previously, the writers ended the show with him winning, implying he was the good guy I guess, later on the different writer had a differing take. Whether or not he is a good guy in the eyes of the writer and audience depends. It could be entirely possible that in the eyes of the writer, he is bad/ amoral.
 
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Lelouch iqmogs
 
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nigga jojos sucks
chill, it doesn’t suck it’s just weird sometimes it’s mostly the weird fag fans who ruin it.

regardless most of the characters in jojo mog every other anime to hell
 
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I'm saying I find this overconfidence irrational and the actions which followed it irrational and completely out of character
And I'm saying it made sense because of Light's new overconfident mindset. It might seem like his actions were out of character, but that's because his overconfidence was THAT strong to make you believe that.
We haven't seen Light get to this exact level of overconfidence earlier, but that's because L was alive. I'm saying it is entirely possible and probable for Light to get that overconfident after L's death.
 
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chill, it doesn’t suck it’s just weird sometimes it’s mostly the weird fag fans who ruin it.

regardless most of the characters in jojo mog every other anime to hell
saaar can i become mogger like oingo boingo
 
And I'm saying it made sense because of Light's new overconfident mindset. It might seem like his actions were out of character, but that's because his overconfidence was THAT strong to make you believe that.
We haven't seen Light get to this exact level of overconfidence earlier, but that's because L was alive. I'm saying it is entirely possible and probable for Light to get that overconfident after L's death.
Tbh he has shown levels of overconfidence, the moment before he knew how smart L was. Like when he killed the fake L live on television.
 
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Tbh he has shown levels of overconfidence, the moment before he knew how smart L was. Like when he killed the fake L live on television.
Exactly! It's not really 'out of character' like this guy said. His overconfidence might seem really exaggerated after L's death, but if you think from Light's perspective, it makes a lot of sense.
It's not newfound overconfidence, but rather, his actions later on, showed us that his overconfidence can go up to a higher limit.
 
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And I'm saying it made sense because of Light's new overconfident mindset. It might seem like his actions were out of character, but that's because his overconfidence was THAT strong to make you believe that.
We haven't seen Light get to this exact level of overconfidence earlier, but that's because L was alive. I'm saying it is entirely possible and probable for Light to get that overconfident after L's death.
I understand the overconfidence would make him irrational.
his overconfidence was THAT strong to make you believe that.
you misunderstood me, based on his character, to me it didn't seem probable for him to become this overconfident as a result of a victory.
Light's new overconfident mindset
wasn't realistic to me as he had pretty much always been on top of his emotions before (granted there was no victory was as great as this one). I'm not saying the actions themselves are unrealistic (as a result of the overconfidence), the overconfidence to this extent seems unrealistic based on prior behaviour.

I agree that he should've been defeated as a result of his overconfidence, as it was foreboded throughout, it should have been more subtle though. It was to quick and simple and lacked complexity.

He could've have still been defeated as a result of overconfidence, but making him that over confident was lazy and unrealistic imo.
 
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It fits within Light's God Complex personality though. Light had completely lost it after he defeated L, thought he was on top of the world. Old Light would have never trusted Mikami as much, would have had a backup plan for if Mikami screwed up.

I would have truly wanted to see what ending the manga writers would have came up with. If their wishes were respected and the manga would have reached the ending arc after L's death. Instead he was instantly replaced by Near and Mello..
 
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It fits within Light's God Complex personality though. Light had completely lost it after he defeated L, thought he was on top of the world. Old Light would have never trusted Mikami as much, would have had a backup plan for if Mikami screwed up.

I would have truly wanted to see what ending the manga writers would have came up with. If their wishes were respected and the manga would have reached the ending arc after L's death. Instead he was instantly replaced by Near and Mello..
I don't know why @sb23 keeps thinking it wasn't probable for Light to become this overconfident after L's death. We have seen Light underestimate L before he realized how smart he actually was, and now it's the same with Near, because he thinks that L's intelligence is unmatched, Light thought that someone as intelligent as L would never exist. This isn't something new, he is treating Near similar to how he treated L at the start, when he didn't acknowledge his intelligence.

And that's why I think that it wasn't unrealistic and out of character. Light just wasn't able to acknowledge Near as someone as smart as L, that's why he is so overconfident.
 
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I don't know why @sb23 keeps thinking it wasn't probable for Light to become this overconfident after L's death. We have seen Light underestimate L before he realized how smart he actually was, and now it's the same with Near, because he thinks that L's intelligence is unmatched, Light thought that someone as intelligent as L would never exist. This isn't something new, he is treating Near similar to how he treated L at the start, when he didn't acknowledge his intelligence.

And that's why I think that it wasn't unrealistic and out of character. Light just wasn't able to acknowledge Near as someone as smart as L, that's why he is so overconfident.
Found the ending underwhelming. You’re probably right I guess, I just think it could’ve been an executed it better though. 1 thing though, he did know that near was L’s apprentice, I’d assume he would exercise more caution than he would’ve with L initially (not knowing how smart he was).
 
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1 thing though, he did know that near was L’s apprentice, I’d assume he would exercise more caution than he would’ve with L initially (not knowing how smart he was).
True, but I also doubt that someone like Light (who's very intuitive when thinking, and confident that his plans will work even though he takes some precautions) would consider the possibility of L's apprentices being capable of being as smart as L.
Light trusts his intuition a lot, and his intuition told him that L was so rare his apprentices wouldn't match him.
 
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I've recently re-read the manga of Death Note and to be fair. Light should have won. Even in the end. It was actually Mikami that made Light lose. (I guess you can say Light shouldn't have trusted Mikami).

The plan at the end to kill Near and the taskforce was perfect, Light had thought of everything. But he didn't think of Mikami using the Death Note (he literally told him not to, to wait for orders) But Mikami killed Takada himself instead of waiting for instructions. The SPK found him out when he went to the bank on an unusual time to grab the death note to kill her.

Also a small plothole, apparently an SPK agent, Gevanni. Wrote an entire replica of the death note, (with help of another person) with perfect hand writing etc, that Light and Mikami used. And managed to swap it with the fake one that was in Mikami's locker in the bank... All in one night!
Clearly the author wanted to end things and had to write Light into a corner basically, the way he lost didn't make much sense tbh.
yeah the end of death note is messed up

if mikami had followed light's instructions they would never got caught. But even when he didn't it's literally impossible for the SPK to make a perfect replica of the death note in only one night, plus knowing that mikami was always checking his book with a glass, knowing that he has always some pages of the death note on him or somewhere...
 
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