Is IPD/bizygomatic (ESR) a bad ratio? A new ratio for eye spacing?

[Djimo]

But does it or does it not look more masculine?

Here's that morph, but ICD/IPD is preserved
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I'd say yes although his eye aspect is completely fucked now jfl
(I know you didn't care abt that)

 

[NuclearGeo20]

I zoomed in bc I can't morph it to that length, and that's obviously an exaggerating example but still

why would you need to morph. The measurements already ideal?

 

[Djimo]

why would you need to morph. The measurements already ideal?

To prove that the length of the LCL does have impact on esr appearance

 

[NuclearGeo20]

But does it or does it not look more masculine?

Here's that morph, but ICD/IPD is preserved
View attachment 3759141

The eyes are definitely not more masculine. The second pic is uncanny valley. In reality there is a limit to how far you can go in face size. I think the best measurements for getting a proportional, masculine skull are at the middle, the average.

A lot of people seem to go along with the idea of a skull mog (bigger is better) and I think it's bs. A bigger skull would be evolutionarily disadvantageous because there would be more surface area to get hit. It doesn't convey dominance, if anything it makes you look like a bobble head.

 

[Djimo]

on 1st glance the eyes on left look wider since there's less space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle,

2nd looks wider bc of the extra space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle

Ofc this won't have such a big difference irl unless your heavily deformed.

And also LCL to ICD have impact on how esr is perceived.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

To prove that the length of the LCL does have impact on esr appearance

But it doesn't though. The eyes close setedness look the same as before, just zoomed in. Trust me I attempted what you are saying for a whole week. It didn't work.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

View attachment 3759152 on 1st glance the eyes on left look wider since there's less space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle,

2nd looks wider bc of the extra space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle

Ofc this won't have such a big difference irl unless your heavily deformed.

And also LCL to ICD have impact on how esr is perceived.

Not to bash on you, but this has no affect on the face and you're introducing too many confounding variables.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

View attachment 3759152 on 1st glance the eyes on left look wider since there's less space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle,

2nd looks wider bc of the extra space between the lateral canthus and the temporal muscle

Ofc this won't have such a big difference irl unless your heavily deformed.

And also LCL to ICD have impact on how esr is perceived.

go to sleep man. good effort tho I appreciate it

 

[Lookologist003]

The second pic is uncanny valley. In reality there is a limit to how far you can go in face size

Fully agree. My point was that skull size is what makes a face look feminine or masculine. It's actually better for a man to have degree of feminity in his face, because then he benefits from human's affinity towards the feminine. To take a note from MGTOW, we are a gynocentric species.

I've always said that andro Chad is the Chad that benefits the most of society. It's actually better for a Chad to have his bizygomatic breadth be bellow 50th percentile. That gives him the pretty look. People would call him pretty boy, but women would lose their mind over an androygenous Chad, you know how like women like other women, because of their cute looks or something? Same principle. Women basically just want a man who is huge like 6'5 but head is kind of small, so they have big pretty eyes and shit like that.

A lot of people seem to go along with the idea of a skull mog (bigger is better) and I think it's bs. A bigger skull would be evolutionarily disadvantageous because there would be more surface area to get hit. It doesn't convey dominance, if anything it makes you look like a bobble head.

No. Because the skull mog is proportional to the body, so big skull is great on 6'5 and shit like that. I thought it was obvious that I meant it should be in proportion to the body. More surface area to be hit doesn't matter if that skull is thicker because its width is proportional as well. Size is incredibly important to our perception of things. In Pixar, they call it "character language." It's something we all instinctually understand. Feminine = small, ditsy. Masculine = big, robust, imposing.

 

[Shinichi]

I feel like ICD is more important than ESR. The reason why I think this is that I see people with bad ESR due to a wide face but the eyes don't look close set.

I was talking to @iblamemygenes yesterday and he made the point that Jordan Barrett doesn't look like he has close set eyes even though his esr is .42/.43, because the actual distance between his eyes is ideal.

To see if eyes are properly spaced I've created a new ratio. The ratio is the (ICD/IPD). (In the perfect face, the ICD should approximately be half the IPD; .5 ). I've also thought of another ratio; (eyeball diameter/IPD). I feel like measuring by the eyeball would be more precise since some people have different medial canthus positions, angles, lengths, bodies, etc. But it might be harder to pinpoint the start and end of the eyeball by looking at a picture. But what do yall think?

Pretty sure

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Fully agree. My point was that skull size is what makes a face look feminine or masculine. It's actually better for a man to have degree of feminity in his face, because then he benefits from human's affinity towards the feminine. To take a note from MGTOW, we are a gynocentric species.

I've always said that andro Chad is the Chad that benefits the most of society. It's actually better for a Chad to have his bizygomatic breadth be bellow 50th percentile. That gives him the pretty look. People would call him pretty boy, but women would lose their mind over an androygenous Chad, you know how like women like other women, because of their cute looks or something? Same principle. Women basically just want a man who is huge like 6'5 but head is kind of small, so they have big pretty eyes and shit like that.

No. Because the skull mog is proportional to the body, so big skull is great on 6'5 and shit like that. I thought it was obvious that I meant it should be in proportion to the body. More surface area to be hit doesn't matter if that skull is thicker because its width is proportional as well. Size is incredibly important to our perception of things. In Pixar, they call it "character language." It's something we all instinctually understand. Feminine = small, ditsy. Masculine = big, robust, imposing.
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You're overthinking. If youre average in all metrics you will be peak masculinity and appeal. A 65mm ipd average skull will mog 68mm ipd big skull because it becomes unideal, even you maintain proportion. In reality the eyes will look small and you'll look sped.

I disagree that pretty boys need a bizygomatic that is less than 50th percentile. Look at Chico

Also pretty boy is unideal. Chad archetype mogs anyway. The only thing keeping a pretty boy afloat is averageness and health markets

 

[Lookologist003]

Feminine = small, ditsy. Masculine = big, robust, imposing.

@thecel
Here's the full spectrum of bizygomatic breadths from "Aaaaaa! Kwaii sugi!" to "Ey, bitch, dtf?"

 

[NuclearGeo20]

@thecel
Here's the full spectrum of bizygomatic breadths from "Aaaaaa! Kwaii sugi!" to "Ey, bitch, dtf?"
View attachment 3759186

Oh my gosh, these morphs are so good!!

Normal skull mogs. 1st one makes Jordan look too much like a girl, like you predicted. 3rd one is too striking. Average will always mog.

Good job bro, high iq contribution

 

[NuclearGeo20]

@thecel
Here's the full spectrum of bizygomatic breadths from "Aaaaaa! Kwaii sugi!" to "Ey, bitch, dtf?"
View attachment 3759186

which one do you think has greatest female appeal?

 

[NuclearGeo20]

@thecel
Here's the full spectrum of bizygomatic breadths from "Aaaaaa! Kwaii sugi!" to "Ey, bitch, dtf?"
View attachment 3759186

Im jumping all over the place trying to figure out attractiveness so myb on that.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

@thecel
Here's the full spectrum of bizygomatic breadths from "Aaaaaa! Kwaii sugi!" to "Ey, bitch, dtf?"
View attachment 3759186

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Zayn Malik and Chico are both pretty boys, but one has a huge skull, and the other has a small one. Perhaps skull size only differs in the neurochranium and not the splachocranium because their faces seem pretty similar size wise and proportion wise. Thoughts? @Lookologist003 @thecel

 

[NuclearGeo20]

"Skull mogger" even though his splanchocranium is pretty much proportional to everyone else.

 

[flatcheck213]

But does it or does it not look more masculine?

Here's that morph, but ICD/IPD is preserved
View attachment 3759141

Right mogs lol

 

[Djimo]

go to sleep man. good effort tho I appreciate it

i went to sleep what do you use to measure/calculate, im using imagemeter rn but its kinda inacurate sometimes

 

[xnj]

@coolio

 

[NuclearGeo20]

i went to sleep what do you use to measure/calculate, im using imagemeter rn but its kinda inacurate sometimes

photoshop

 

[iblamemygenes]

No offense your new ratio is shit. OCD is better than ESR yes but it will still be considered slightly cope unless terrible. ESR is cope if your icd and mfr is good and if it is also above .42. Most important ratios for eye spacing perception is 1. ICD (1 eye apart if you have normal pfl which is common and doesn’t vary as much as skull size does) 2. MFR (atleast .93 for eyes to look normal) 3. Nose width (1-1 with icd) 4. Esr/ocd again doesn’t matter if the rest are good and this is atleast .43

 

[NuclearGeo20]

No offense your new ratio is shit. OCD is better than ESR yes but it will still be considered slightly cope unless terrible. ESR is cope if your icd and mfr is good and if it is also above .42. Most important ratios for eye spacing perception is 1. ICD (1 eye apart if you have normal pfl which is common and doesn’t vary as much as skull size does) 2. MFR (atleast .93 for eyes to look normal) 3. Nose width (1-1 with icd) 4. Esr/ocd again doesn’t matter if the rest are good and this is atleast .43

MFR is cope.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

No offense your new ratio is shit. OCD is better than ESR yes but it will still be considered slightly cope unless terrible. ESR is cope if your icd and mfr is good and if it is also above .42. Most important ratios for eye spacing perception is 1. ICD (1 eye apart if you have normal pfl which is common and doesn’t vary as much as skull size does) 2. MFR (atleast .93 for eyes to look normal) 3. Nose width (1-1 with icd) 4. Esr/ocd again doesn’t matter if the rest are good and this is atleast .43

I agree somewhat, I need to think about this though

 

[iblamemygenes]

MFR is cope.

It is not cope, anyone with lower than .93 mfr starts to look like close set eyes regardless of icd or esr, my mfr is .92 but my icd is ideal yet my eyes look close set

 

[coolio]

@coolio

these niggas are retards

 

[coolio]

MFR is cope.

fucking retard my esr is .42-.43 but my mfr is around 1.1 just because i have a fucking gargantuan skull with a shitty upper maxilla, and it literally make my eye seperation appear NORMAL despite my bizygo

 

[coolio]

No offense your new ratio is shit. OCD is better than ESR yes but it will still be considered slightly cope unless terrible. ESR is cope if your icd and mfr is good and if it is also above .42. Most important ratios for eye spacing perception is 1. ICD (1 eye apart if you have normal pfl which is common and doesn’t vary as much as skull size does) 2. MFR (atleast .93 for eyes to look normal) 3. Nose width (1-1 with icd) 4. Esr/ocd again doesn’t matter if the rest are good and this is atleast .43

i agree with this, additionally pflfw (pfl-bizygo) is extremely important for perceived eye spacing

alex schlab is a decent example of having good eye spacing by every metric BUT esr

 

[xnj]

i agree with this, additionally pflfw (pfl-bizygo) is extremely important for perceived eye spacing

alex schlab is a decent example of having good eye spacing by every metric BUT esr

and me

 

[iblamemygenes]

i agree with this, additionally pflfw (pfl-bizygo) is extremely important for perceived eye spacing

alex schlab is a decent example of having good eye spacing by every metric BUT esr

Just means wide skull yea

 

[iblamemygenes]

fucking retard my esr is .42-.43 but my mfr is around 1.1 just because i have a fucking gargantuan skull with a shitty upper maxilla, and it literally make my eye seperation appear NORMAL despite my bizygo

Barrett ratios, ur fwhr is like above 2 right?