Is masseter training actually legit?

[Deleted member 276978]

I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

 

[killuacel]

Yes helped with my jaw width, though I dont recommend doing with high set masseters as you will look bloated.

 

[follicel]

jaw gym works a little but dont overdo it or u get TMJ hell

 

[insignia_]

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I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

It works. Look at people with bruxism.

Just don't overdo it.

 

[Deleted member 276978]

Alright thanks

 

[-BayHarbourButcher]

Yes helped with my jaw width, though I dont recommend doing with high set masseters as you will look bloated.

''high set massaters'' you probably mean shit jaw = short ramus short mandible with shit gonions

 

[killuacel]

''high set massaters'' you probably mean shit jaw = short ramus short mandible with shit gonions

erm no i mean high set masseters…

 

[kantlie]

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I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

It's a muscle and it can hypertrophy. Anybody that tells you it's not legit is retarded and you can avoid tmj if you do it intelligently.

 

[croasbow]

yes its legit, it makes the jaw wider by the hypertrophy in the muscle itself but also by remodelling. It also gives forward growth in the mandible and makes your ramus taller

I would be careful tho, don't chew too much or you're gonna develop TMD and if your bottom molar has shifted inwards (like my bottom right molar), its gonna develop your masseter in a round, unaesthetic way...

 

[-BayHarbourButcher]

erm no i mean high set masseters…

Masseter insertions don’t exist either, it’s entirely based on your ramus length and youre mandible. If you have a short ramus you’ll have bad “masseter insertions” and vice versa, because your ramus is directly connected to the masseter. The longer your ramus, the lower and more aesthetic your masseter will be you need to be low iq to say ''low high set massaters'' + massater trainings can look good on good bases

 

[medialcanthus]

Masseter insertions don’t exist either, it’s entirely based on your ramus length and youre mandible. If you have a short ramus you’ll have bad “masseter insertions” and vice versa, because your ramus is directly connected to the masseter. The longer your ramus, the lower and more aesthetic your masseter will be you need to be low iq to say ''low high set massaters'' + massater trainings can look good on good bases

high set is a buzzword atp jfl there is no such thing as high set zygos either it literally just is zygomatic tilt

 

[-BayHarbourButcher]

high set is a buzzword atp jfl there is no such thing as high set zygos either it literally just is zygomatic tilt

its just funny seeing people using words like that

 

[killuacel]

Masseter insertions don’t exist either, it’s entirely based on your ramus length and youre mandible. If you have a short ramus you’ll have bad “masseter insertions” and vice versa, because your ramus is directly connected to the masseter. The longer your ramus, the lower and more aesthetic your masseter will be you need to be low iq to say ''low high set massaters'' + massater trainings can look good on good bases

They quite literally do exist, regardless of them being caused by your ramus length

 

[project chadlite]

Masseter insertions don’t exist either, it’s entirely based on your ramus length and youre mandible. If you have a short ramus you’ll have bad “masseter insertions” and vice versa, because your ramus is directly connected to the masseter. The longer your ramus, the lower and more aesthetic your masseter will be you need to be low iq to say ''low high set massaters'' + massater trainings can look good on good bases

Retard
Masseteric insertions obviously exist (Like any other muscle). The reason you'd have Masseters that look bloated if you had a short ramus is because the muscle doesn't have enough bone to lengthen and grow properly, and even if it did, you wouldn't be guaranteed to have good insertions

 

[-BayHarbourButcher]

They quite literally do exist, regardless of them being caused by your ramus length

whatever makes you sleep at night buddy

 

[killuacel]

whatever makes you sleep at night buddy

I will struggle to sleep now that you have educated me on the only muscle that doesn’t have insertions

 

[Wiliouizaza]

yes its legit, it makes the jaw wider by the hypertrophy in the muscle itself but also by remodelling. It also gives forward growth in the mandible and makes your ramus taller

I would be careful tho, don't chew too much or you're gonna develop TMD and if your bottom molar has shifted inwards (like my bottom right molar), its gonna develop your masseter in a round, unaesthetic way...

Why would the shifting of the molar impact the shape of the masseter? Is it inevitable?

 

[croasbow]

Why would the shifting of the molar impact the shape of the masseter? Is it inevitable?

the muscle gets activated differently, it's prob fixable with braces but if the dentist wants to pull any wisdom teeth or premolars ur cooked

 

[narrator_313]

If you have inward gonions its just gonna make your face look more rounded than it already is also massater doninated jaws look like shit just don’t overdo it

 

[nullandvoid]

Yes helped with my jaw width, though I dont recommend doing with high set masseters as you will look bloated.

Inward gonions are what cause high insertions.

 

[100%nt]

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I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

Not worth it at all
just caused tmj for a bit of jaw width

Just hop on roids and you will get it overdeveloped anyway
No point in chewing gum

 

[Wiliouizaza]

the muscle gets activated differently, it's prob fixable with braces but if the dentist wants to pull any wisdom teeth or premolars ur cooked

I have the same exact problem as you. Bottom right molar is tilted to the inside. But what if I don’t chew with this molar and just chew with my premolars?

 

[croasbow]

I have the same exact problem as you. Bottom right molar is tilted to the inside. But what if I don’t chew with this molar and just chew with my premolars?

i also noticed when i chew with my right premolars my masseter gets activated in a less round way.. but when im eating food i cant really do molars on left and premolars on right.. i guess when eating food you should just chew on your right less and just chew gum a bit longer on the right side

Another thing making me skeptical about chewing with premolars is, i chew with molars on left so if i chew with premolars on right what if i get assymetrical bone remodeling? i know i can just start chewing with premolars on both but we are supposed to chew with molars

 

[Wiliouizaza]

i also noticed when i chew with my right premolars my masseter gets activated in a less round way.. but when im eating food i cant really do molars on left and premolars on right.. i guess when eating food you should just chew on your right less and just chew gum a bit longer on the right side

Another thing making me skeptical about chewing with premolars is, i chew with molars on left so if i chew with premolars on right what if i get assymetrical bone remodeling? i know i can just start chewing with premolars on both but we are supposed to chew with molars

Yeah you shouldn’t chew asymmetricaly but I don’t think that chewing with premolar is a big deal compared to chewing with molars. Plus if you try, the more forward the teeth you chew with are (for exemple your incisive), the lowest is the part of the masseter that gets activated, if that makes sense. So I think it could actually be better to chew with premolars

 

[croasbow]

So I think it could actually be better to chew with premolars

i will ask my high iq friend about this

 

[Wiliouizaza]

i will ask my high iq friend about this

Let’s do it. Keep me informed pls

 

[croasbow]

Let’s do it. Keep me informed pls

He said chewing with molars on left and premolars on right can cause assymetry, and he said i can chew with premolars if it makes me comfortable (so i guess its time to chew with premolars on both sides)

The reason why i wanted to ask him if i can chew with premolars is cause i read in his server somewhere that we should chew with molars

 

[Wiliouizaza]

He said chewing with molars on left and premolars on right can cause assymetry, and he said i can chew with premolars if it makes me comfortable (so i guess its time to chew with premolars on both sides)

The reason why i wanted to ask him if i can chew with premolars is cause i read in his server somewhere that we should chew with molars

Okay thanks for the knowledge. I will chew with premolars too then

 

[croasbow]

Okay thanks for the knowledge. I will chew with premolars too then

yo blud i change my mind you shouldnt chew with your premolars, i just checked again and when i clench my premolars its activation the top part of my masseter a lot for some reason and barely any bottom part activation.. i asked Gemini and it said molars activate the bottom part the most.. chewing with molars gives me assymetry cause of my malocclusion but well i dont want a round jaw either

 

[Wiliouizaza]

yo blud i change my mind you shouldnt chew with your premolars, i just checked again and when i clench my premolars its activation the top part of my masseter a lot for some reason and barely any bottom part activation.. i asked Gemini and it said molars activate the bottom part the most.. chewing with molars gives me assymetry cause of my malocclusion but well i dont want a round jaw either

Thanks a lot for thinking about letting me know. But I don’t think I face your problem. The more forward the teeth I use to chew are, the lower the masseter gets activated. How is it giving asymmetry to have a maloclusion tho? I have an overbite too.
And if we’re supposed to use our molars, then we can just avoid using the very last ones, which are tilted, like you mentioned. By the way, I'm currently trying to know if masseter hypertrophy could be a cause of downward growth because I think it could. I will keep in touch to let you know what I found dw

 

[Secretmogger]

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I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

if you have a narrow jaw it can help, but realize its not some magic exercising.You will get slow small changes

 

[croasbow]

How is it giving asymmetry to have a maloclusion tho? I have an overbite too.

its not abt the overbite, its just that one of my bottom right molar is tilted inwards so it's like activating the upper part of my masseter more

And if we’re supposed to use our molars, then we can just avoid using the very last ones

kinda hard to avoid, u would have to do chew small bites (which is recommended anyways when doing myofunctional therapy) but its honestly kinda annoying for me

By the way, I'm currently trying to know if masseter hypertrophy could be a cause of downward growth because I think it could

its quite the opposite actually. Masseter hypertrophy causes forward growth, I have a paper which shows that people who eat more harder foods have better developed jaws. It doesn't seem to widen the mandible much but it makes a big difference in ramus length and mandible forwards growth .. i can share with you if you want

I will keep in touch to let you know what I found dw

please do

 

[Wiliouizaza]

its not abt the overbite, its just that one of my bts quite the opposite actually. Masseter hypertrophy causes forward growth, I have a paper which shows that people who eat more harder foods have better developed jaws. It doesn't seem to widen the mandible much but it makes a big difference in ramus length and mandible forwards growth .. i can share with you if you want



please do

Yes, I’d like to see what you have on this. It seems that my assumption (based on the fact that the gonial angle on my weaker masseter is better than on my stronger one) aren’t an isolated case. Here’s what I found.
Disclaimer: none of this is backed by research.

 

[Wiliouizaza]

its not abt the overbite, its just that one of my bottom right molar is tilted inwards so it's like activating the upper part of my masseter more



kinda hard to avoid, u would have to do chew small bites (which is recommended anyways when doing myofunctional therapy) but its honestly kinda annoying for me



its quite the opposite actually. Masseter hypertrophy causes forward growth, I have a paper which shows that people who eat more harder foods have better developed jaws. It doesn't seem to widen the mandible much but it makes a big difference in ramus length and mandible forwards growth .. i can share with you if you want



please do

I forgot to add the files mb

 

[StyIix]

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I keep seeing people talk about masseter training (chewing gum, jaw trainers, etc.) and I’m not sure what to believe.
Some say it helps widen the jaw and improve the lower third, others say it’s useless or just causes TMJ.

To anyone here who’s actually tried it:
Did you see real changes or nah?
How long did you do it for?
Any issues like jaw pain or clicking?

It works good and defines your face and jaw

 

[croasbow]

I’d like to see what you have on this

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[croasbow]

It seems that my assumption (based on the fact that the gonial angle on my weaker masseter is better than on my stronger one) aren’t an isolated case. Here’s what I found.

hmm, idk why this happened

 

[croasbow]

I forgot to add the files mb

Ngl i dont understand any of this add me on discord crossbow199 i can invite u to my high iq friends discord u can ask him