is overhead press the best for bideltoid width

[Deleted member 4332]

The taller you are, the more you will weigh.

Height + Frame, tbh. A tall guy with a narrow frame will not weigh that much.

And taller guys have a shorter range of motion when pulling from the floor.

So for a 6 foot 4 guy like me it will be 500 lbs while for a short 5 foot 5 guy it would be 450 lbs or a bit lower.

Not always.

If a tall guy has short arms (relative to his height) he will have a poverty deadlift (compared to his other lifts).

Meanwhile a 5'9" height guy with a 6'2" wingspan will have a great deadlift (compared to his other lifts)

 

[randomuser2407]

Height + Frame, tbh. A tall guy with a narrow frame will not weigh that much.


Not always.

If a tall guy has short arms (relative to his height) he will have a poverty deadlift (compared to his other lifts).

Meanwhile a 5'9" height guy with a 6'2" wingspan will have a great deadlift (compared to his other lifts)

Like I keep telling everyone since I joined the site, it's impossible to have a small frame when you are tall.
How wide your shoulders are has nothing to do with how much you can weigh because it only depends on the size of your lats for the most part and the size of your shoulders themselves.

But of course, nobody here is intelligent enough to understand this simple fact except for people who have achieved it. The whole framepill thing was made up by people who were either ectomorphs who have small lats or mesomorphs who never trained them and claim that they should be seen as THE example of frame.

However, photographic proof is undeniable, so let's have a look at @IwantToLooksMaxx 's transformation pics.

From narrow shoulders to wide shoulders.

But NO, according to the framepill it's not possible, OMG he must have photoshopped his pics or used pics of different people, or he is the exception. /s

 

[randomuser2407]

Your bone structure is identical to mine. Your wrists are also 6.5-7” like mine. And I have people in my family who are “ectomorphs” like me and even though they do construction work they don’t build any muscle. You know why? Because their diet is trash.

I'm not denying the importance of diet, but what I am saying is that good training gave you your results.

If you had been using bad training programs that focus on machines, cables and dumbbells instead of doing high volume compound movements, you never would have made any gains. You got good results thanks to great training methods and good nutrition too. I'm not saying that training is rocket science, it's simple but the information is difficult to find and so confusing since everybody says different things.

 

[.*my*.]

Like I keep telling everyone since I joined the site, it's impossible to have a small frame when you are tall.
How wide your shoulders are has nothing to do with how much you can weigh because it only depends on the size of your lats for the most part and the size of your shoulders themselves.

But of course, nobody here is intelligent enough to understand this simple fact except for people who have achieved it. The whole framepill thing was made up by people who were either ectomorphs who have small lats or mesomorphs who never trained them and claim that they should be seen as THE example of frame.

However, photographic proof is undeniable, so let's have a look at @IwantToLooksMaxx 's transformation pics.

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From narrow shoulders to wide shoulders.

But NO, according to the framepill it's not possible, OMG he must have photoshopped his pics or used pics of different people, or he is the exception. /s

My shoulders were always broad. It’s just the angle.

 

[randomuser2407]

My shoulders were always broad. It’s just the angle.

Are you being sarcastic like I was?

No they were never broad. It's hilarious how even you, the person on the pictures, has been so brainwashed by looksmax lies, that you don't even see it.

You have wide hips like me, so your shoulders were narrow before, now they are much wider, because your lats are wider.

Narrow shoulders means that your shoulder to hip ratio is very small. Wide shoulders means that your hips are so narrow that your shoulder look wide even when skinny.

 

[Deleted member 7521]

 

[SadnessWYJ]

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[.*my*.]

Are you being sarcastic like I was?

No they were never broad. It's hilarious how even you, the person on the pictures, has been so brainwashed by looksmax lies, that you don't even see it.

You have wide hips like me, so your shoulders were narrow before, now they are much wider, because your lats are wider.

Narrow shoulders means that your shoulder to hip ratio is very small. Wide shoulders means that your hips are so narrow that your shoulder look wide even when skinny.

2019. As you can see my shoulders were broad despite being skinny.

 

[isis_Bleach]

I can't wait to see how this entire forum is going to react when they see my transformation pictures and see me going from small frame to big frame just by getting bigger lats.

I'll debunk your made up framepill concept in just a few pictures, and then you'll feel stupid.

No

 

[randomuser2407]

2019. As you can see my shoulders were broad despite being skinny.

OK I see it now.

But still, the width of your shoulders has nothing to do with how much muscle mass you can gain, it's just that it will go in different areas of your body. So the framepill is still wrong.

 

[randomuser2407]

No

Says a newbie who has only 151 posts.

 

[lonelystoner]

Lmao this bitch looks crazy af

 

[lonelystoner]

OK I see it now.

But still, the width of your shoulders has nothing to do with how much muscle mass you can gain, it's just that it will go in different areas of your body. So the framepill is still wrong.

Just tren hard bro

 

[.*my*.]

OK I see it now.

But still, the width of your shoulders has nothing to do with how much muscle mass you can gain, it's just that it will go in different areas of your body. So the framepill is still wrong.

It has a lot to do with how much muscle you can gain. If your shoulders are wide that means your ribcage is big. That means bigger pecs, traps and back muscles.

 

[Deleted member 7521]

It has a lot to do with how much muscle you can gain. If your shoulders are wide that means your ribcage is big. That means bigger pecs, traps and back muscles.

Not really tbh, I have wide shoulders but people said my ribcage is small

 

[.*my*.]

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Not really tbh, I have wide shoulders but people said my ribcage is small

Looks 40+ inches

 

[Deleted member 7521]

Looks 40+ inches

Ribcage or waist? My waist was like 28 inch in that pic

 

[.*my*.]

Ribcage or waist? My waist was like 28 inch in that pic

Chest circumference

 

[randomuser2407]

It has a lot to do with how much muscle you can gain. If your shoulders are wide that means your ribcage is big. That means bigger pecs, traps and back muscles.

The size of your limbs is not defined by the size of one area of your body, it's defined by your height. If this was not the case, I would only be 130 lbs right now for the look that I have, since a shorter guy would be fat at my weight.

I have the potential to grow to 220 lbs at 15% body fat. But according to you 170 lbs is my limit, this is why you sound retarded.

 

[6’1cel]

i’m so weak in that lift

no side raises is best

 

[.*my*.]

The size of your limbs is not defined by the size of one area of your body, it's defined by your height. If this was not the case, I would only be 130 lbs right now for the look that I have, since a shorter guy would be fat at my weight.

I have the potential to grow to 220 lbs at 15% body fat. But according to you 170 lbs is my limit, this is why you sound retarded.

That’s not what I said. Broad shoulders may have like a 5-15 pound difference compared to narrow shoulders. So if your maximum potential is 220, someone with huge clavicles may have a 235 potential.

 

[6’1cel]

@copingvolcel
why jfl me faggot
youre skinnyfat and look like youve never done any exercise in your life
the side raise is best for widening your shoulder muscle

 

[.*my*.]

@copingvolcel
why jfl me faggot
youre skinnyfat and look like youve never done any exercise in your life
the side raise is best for widening your shoulder muscle

You’re in same boat as him, so laugh at yourself

 

[6’1cel]

You’re in same boat as him, so laugh at yourself

lol
cope
youve plateaued because youre low t
i will still say the same, go on gear or sarms

 

[.*my*.]

lol
cope
youve plateaued because youre low t
i will still say the same, go on gear or sarms

My T is 900. What are you talking about?

 

[6’1cel]

My T is 900. What are you talking about?

how long have u lifted

 

[.*my*.]

how long have u lifted

Started in august 2018. Took many breaks and had a couple of depressions. Maybe 1.5 years of training total.

 

[6’1cel]

Started in august 2018. Took many breaks and had a couple of depressions. Maybe 1.5 years of training total.

jfl
i’ve been lifting for a year + i’m higher iq

 

[.*my*.]

jfl
i’ve been lifting for a year + i’m higher iq

Yeah but where are your results? Got any pics?

 

[Deleted member 10104]

Yeah but where are your results? Got any pics?

jfl
i’ve been lifting for a year + i’m higher iq

@copingvolcel

6'1cel is right, lateral/side raises is indeed the best movement for hitting the parts of the shoulder that are most relevant for aesthetics and bideltoid width.

You can see in the chart above the bent-arm lateral raises have the 2nd highest lateral delt activation level after 45-degree incline row. Incline row is a good movement but honestly really shitty for overloading and getting a pump with because it is hard to manage the weight. Lateral raises is VERY manageable and a great movement to pyramid and overload on, the shoulder pumps you get from it are incomparable.

I have a feeling if the chart included LEANING cable raises instead of just cable raises that they would BY FAR top the chart. Doing lateral raises with a cable like this so the lateral delt is activated on all levels through out the entire movement is superior:



doing the movement like the timestamped part in the video is undoubtedly the best way to hit the lateral delt and get more shoulder width. period. ESPECIALLY since you can easily lower the weight and get pumps, and pumps + volume = growth.

 

[6’1cel]

@copingvolcel

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6'1cel is right, lateral/side raises is indeed the best movement for hitting the parts of the shoulder that are most relevant for aesthetics and bideltoid width.

You can see in the chart above the bent-arm lateral raises have the 2nd highest lateral delt activation level after 45-degree incline row. Incline row is a good movement but honestly really shitty for overloading and getting a pump with because it is hard to manage the weight. Lateral raises is VERY manageable and a great movement to pyramid and overload on, the shoulder pumps you get from it are incomparable.

I have a feeling if the chart included LEANING cable raises instead of just cable raises that they would BY FAR top the chart. Doing lateral raises with a cable like this so the lateral delt is activated on all levels through out the entire movement is superior:



doing the movement like the timestamped part in the video is undoubtedly the best way to hit the lateral delt and get more shoulder width. period. ESPECIALLY since you can easily lower the weight and get pumps, and pumps + volume = growth.

@copingvolcel
@IwantToLooksMaxx
under 80iq confirmed

 

[Fahkumram]

@copingvolcel is actually correct guys, you need to widen the distance using lats. Then working delts will be the cherry ontop and focus on rear delts too they make shoulders look hella huge (even from the front)

 

[Deleted member 6789]

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[Fahkumram]

@copingvolcel
why jfl me faggot
youre skinnyfat and look like youve never done any exercise in your life
the side raise is best for widening your shoulder muscle

if you do just shoulder raises you’ll get bideltoid mogged by the guy who has big lats AND does shoulder raises. It’s just a fact

 

[.*my*.]

@copingvolcel
@IwantToLooksMaxx
under 80iq confirmed

Talk out of his ass confirmed

 

[Uglybrazilian]

The only legit exercise for side delts is lateral raises, and you have to do it the right way or else you'll train your traps instead

 

[.*my*.]

if you do just shoulder raises you’ll get bideltoid mogged by the guy who has big lats AND does shoulder raises. It’s just a fact

Ronaldo has great lat insertions

 

[Deleted member 10104]

@copingvolcel is actually correct guys, you need to widen the distance using lats. Then working delts will be the cherry ontop and focus on rear delts too they make shoulders look hella huge (even from the front)

nobody said you shouldnt work lats, we're just talking about direct delt growth

trust me i work lats considering i can strap 120 pounds to my 220 lb body and do 5 - 8 pullups

 

[Deleted member 10104]

Talk out of his ass confirmed

how am I talking out my ass? i literally included an emg chart you retard

 

[.*my*.]

how am I talking out my ass? i literally included an emg chart you retard

Not you. I am talking about 6’1cel

 

[6’1cel]

if you do just shoulder raises you’ll get bideltoid mogged by the guy who has big lats AND does shoulder raises. It’s just a fact

sure
but who the fuk doesnt also implement rows/pullups in his workout routine jfl

 

[6’1cel]

nobody said you shouldnt work lats, we're just talking about direct delt growth

trust me i work lats considering i can strap 120 pounds to my 220 lb body and do 5 - 8 pullups

this
does the retard think you can only do one exercise or what

 

[6’1cel]

The only legit exercise for side delts is lateral raises, and you have to do it the right way or else you'll train your traps instead

side raises are more effective for side delts than lateral raises are, i believe
@RealLooksmaxxer

 

[Deleted member 10104]

this
does the retard think you can only do one exercise or what

indeed lmao

 

[Deleted member 10104]

side raises are more effective for side delts than lateral raises are, i believe
@RealLooksmaxxer

theyre basically the same movement, lateral is just the technical term for side

 

[Fahkumram]

Pointless convo tbh

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

You may not like it but that is what peak performance looks like...

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

@copingvolcel is actually right on the importance of back for looking wide. Yes, lateral raises grow your side delt and your bideltoid. This will make you look wider but you can't neglect back. Back is everything for looking big in a shirt. I made a post on it eons ago... the importance of interscye distance which basically measures your back size.

What he is wrong about though is that your back, like every muscle group is determined from insertions. If you have a highset back insertion it's basically over. You will look small in a shirt...

He doesn't seem to grasp these basic concepts on insertions despite acknowledging his poverty muscle-building genetics.

 

[patricknotstar]

i’m so weak in that lift

No, being black is

 

[Deleted member 4209]

get really fkn strong on STANDING ohp (must be standing), high pulls and laterals and you will have delts and traps comparable to some gear users ngl.