Is radical islam really bad?

[Deleted member 6856]

Title,

When i see extremist families,they're always with high moral and very helpful.I never seen something bad from a bearded guy in Turkey,they always treat well to each other and neighbours.Ofc i'm not talking about terrorist organizations.

I think radical islam villianised by whites to supress actual muslims who tries to live their religion.Every time as i said,Sharia mogs all rules existed.

You can't see a country who fell down with true shariah rules.Just look at caliphates(4 caliphs,amawi,abbasi),ottoman empire,saljuk empire etc.

Thoughts about it?

 

[RODEBLUR]

anyone with a beard is a terrorist theory

 

[Deleted member 5912]

gl trying to convince people bro
jews convinced everyone we are smelly isis rats

 

[Deleted member 4209]

islam is right about women

 

[Deleted member 6856]

gl trying to convince people bro
jews convinced everyone we are smelly isis rats

Only subhumans will not change their minds,we are open minded as muslims

 

[Deleted member 4430]

I rate this thread 9/11

 

[Deleted member 4464]

islam is right about women

but normal islam

 

[Deleted member 5912]

I rate this thread 9/11

Only subhumans will not change their minds,we are open minded as muslims

you see what I mean bro??
jfl @ him
he still doesnt know 9/11 was an inside job by the jews

 

[Deleted member 1476]

well when you consider the thousands of innocent lives lost, including children, at the hands of islamist terrorists and the trauma of their families, yes

 

[BigBiceps]

Same question as asking if radical communism is really bad or is nazism really bad? There are good people no matter the ideology. However radical organisations attract crazy people. Even if 99% of all radical islamists were good people, there's always that one crazy motherfucker who is ready to blow up 500 innocent civilians.

 

[Deleted member 6856]

well when you consider the thousands of innocent lives lost, including children, at the hands of islamist terrorists and the trauma of their families, yes

Ofc i'm not talking about terrorist organizations.

 

[Deleted member 1476]

do you mean fundamentalists like in Saudi Arabia? Maybe they’re nice but at the end of the day they condone the murder of innocent people

 

[Deleted member 6856]

Same question as asking if radical communism is really bad or is nazism really bad? There are good people no matter the ideology. However radical organisations attract crazy people. Even if 99% of all radical islamists were good people, there's always that one crazy motherfucker who is ready to blow up 500 innocent civilians.

But i don't talk about terrorism,i just talk about guys who live islam at the top

They're considered as extremist even in Turkey

 

[BigBiceps]

islam is right about women

 

[Deleted member 6856]

do you mean fundamentalists like in Saudi Arabia? Maybe they’re nice but at the end of the day they condone the murder of innocent people

I talk about guys who lives Islam at the top and accepts sharia as their life style

 

[Deleted member 5912]

Same question as asking if radical communism is really bad or is nazism really bad? There are good people no matter the ideology. However radical organisations attract crazy people. Even if 99% of all radical islamists were good people, there's always that one crazy motherfucker who is ready to blow up 500 innocent civilians.

well when you consider the thousands of innocent lives lost, including children, at the hands of islamist terrorists and the trauma of their families, yes

true
but you guys have to understand that these terrorist bearded rats are not us lol
islam is divided into to
shia
sunni
sunnis are the ones that fueled terrorism and they r fueled but usa which is fueled by Israel
im Shia and Shias are completely against terrorism and we faught against isis

 

[Deleted member 6856]

true
but you guys have to understand that these terrorist bearded rats are not us lol
islam is divided into to
shia
sunni
sunnis are the ones that fueled terrorism and they r fueled but usa which is fueled by Israel
im Shia and Shias are completely against terrorism and we faught against isis

Yep,

We only fought against israel,yazidis and islamic state

We support everything against israel

 

[Deleted member 5912]

Yep,

We only fought against israel,yazidis and islamic state

We support everything against israel

true brother
also lebanon had a war with Israel in 2006 that we won

 

[Deleted member 1476]

i like muslimbrahs, can tolerate peaceful fundamentalists but don’t like jihadis obvs

 

[Deleted member 3702]

I talk about guys who lives Islam at the top and accepts sharia as their life style

You live islam by drinking and smoking all the day for exemple

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Yes being to passionate about something can be bad

 

[Deleted member 6856]

You live islam by drinking and smoking all the day for exemple

I'm moral guy,i refuse to get laid or date women

 

[Deleted member 3702]

I'm moral guy,i refuse to get laid or date women

Traduction: I can’t get laid

 

[Deleted member 6856]

Traduction: I can’t get laid

Mirin my new avi?

 

[Deleted member 3702]

Mirin my new avi?

keep coping with muh moral when islamist chaderdogan is slaying German milf

 

[Deleted member 4430]

you see what I mean bro??
jfl @ him
he still doesnt know 9/11 was an inside job by the jews

Its funny mate, you know why? One of my best friends from High school was muslim and actually if it wasn't him, I would have rope at 17. So I know something about the fact that people who really believe in Islam are trying to help even if they dont have to.

 

[Deleted member 6856]

Its funny mate, you know why? One of my best friends from High school was muslim and actually if it wasn't him, I would have rope at 17. So I know something about the fact that people who really believe in Islam are trying to help even if they dont have to.

I wish i can be a true muslim like him but i'm a true sinner

 

[Entschuldigung]

Just destroy america theory
i'm in tbh

 

[Deleted member 3702]

Just destroy america theory
i'm in tbh

Help us latinoboi

 

[owlofathena]

Only subhumans will not change their minds,we are open minded as muslims

True most Muslims I have met are open minded

 

[Zyros]

@inceletto @Mohamad

Yeah aside from the terrorist shit, I think that islam theocracy/sharia law itself would lead to extremely boring lives. For example, even when I was incel as fuck, I still didnt crave nor want the "family man life", I mean the typical raise family with kids life. It seems that in abrahamanic faith based states a no-family lifestyle is very frowned upon. On top of that all many forms of ludic activity/"copes" are heavily regulated or outright banned. Also hardcore religion is usually inversely proportional to progress related to "playing with life", specifically radical life extension, which I look forward to since I was born. Leading such life specially without the belief in an afterlife (many people seems to find sharia as a nice ruleset independant of personal faith) sounds terrible.

So even taking into account a completely pacific non warlike society (for example entire world already unified under sharia law) seems like a pretty boring and dystopian life.

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Islam is based.

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Americans are the real terrorists not Muslims. Americans have killed millions of Muslims and destroyed the lives of millions more Muslims with their endless wars, bombings, sanctions, regime changes, and propping up of terrorist groups to destablize the Muslim World and steal its natural resources. The Americans are the biggest terrorists in history. Muslims almost universally condemn terrorist groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda while Americans celebrate terrorists like Bush and Obama and the world’s biggest terrorist organization in history- the CIA

 

[Blackout.xl]

@inceletto @Mohamad

Yeah aside from the terrorist shit, I think that islam theocracy/sharia law itself would lead to extremely boring lives. For example, even when I was incel as fuck, I still didnt crave nor want the "family man life", I mean the typical raise family with kids life. It seems that in abrahamanic faith based states a no-family lifestyle is very frowned upon. On top of that all many forms of ludic activity/"copes" are heavily regulated or outright banned. Also hardcore religion is usually inversely proportional to progress related to "playing with life", specifically radical life extension, which I look forward to since I was born. Leading such life specially without the belief in an afterlife (many people seems to find sharia as a nice ruleset independant of personal faith) sounds terrible.

So even taking into account a completely pacific non warlike society (for example entire world already unified under sharia law) seems like a pretty boring and dystopian life.

You would have family and respectable hobbies. You don’t need alcohol, nor do you need to party until you die. It’s far from a dystopia. It just sounds like you depend on hedonistic behaviour to survive

 

[Zyros]

You would have family and respectable hobbies. You don’t need alcohol, nor do you need to party until you die. It’s far from a dystopia. It just sounds like you depend on hedonistic behaviour to survive

I dont want a family, am actively agaisnt leaving offspring (for personal ideology, not "I dOnT WaNt to BrIng A kId to ThIs ShiT WorLd") even if I didnt have to take care of it, and want to have whatever hobby I like not "respectable approved by others" hobbies. Yes i'm selfish and kinda hedonistic, but theres more reasons than that as why I am like I am.

 

[Blackout.xl]

I dont want a family, am actively agaisnt leaving offspring (for personal ideology, not "I dOnT WaNt to BrIng A kId to ThIs ShiT WorLd") even if I didnt have to take care of it, and want to have whatever hobby I like not "respectable approved by others" hobbies. Yes i'm selfish and kinda hedonistic, but theres more reasons than that as why I am like I am.

Selfishness and hedonism are like bread and butter. No point in listening to you at this point, as you only have self interest and self interest only leads to hedonism. Theres no room for consideration here

 

[Baldingman1998]

Only subhumans will not change their minds,we are open minded as muslims

 

[Zyros]

Selfishness and hedonism are like bread and butter. No point in listening to you at this point, as you only have self interest and self interest only leads to hedonism. Theres no room for consideration here

you know, being a family man is not the only legit way to spend existence, but whatever.

 

[robtical]

Yes. Child rape is part of islam. Inbreeding is part of islam. Camel urine is part of islam. Which islamic country would have been well-off if they had no oil? Islam is backward. Muslims are biggest hypocrites. The person dancing on stage on last video is tranny. Aren't you supposed to behead trannies and homosexuals?

 

[Blackout.xl]

you know, being a family man is not the only legit way to spend existence, but whatever.

It’s not that. We’re talking about systems based on their ability to organize society into being a cohesive unit that lasts longer.

You are judging that society based on its ability to serve you personally and serve your interests. If such is the case, a conversation is pointless and retarded.

Being a family man isn’t the only legit way to spend existence, I agree. There are other forms of existence.

But family being encouraged is literally what maintains a society and by extension, maintains the species. Imagine in the ancient world we didn’t encourage family and breeding. We would go extinct. If we discontinue the encouragement of this activity, our numbers will plummet and many consequences will arise from that. See japan.

We can’t talk about self interest, when speaking about systems in broad terms, which extends beyond the individual.

It would be like a businessman arguing whether or not communism or capitalism is better for the greater good of society, and then base their arguments on which system can better inflate the value of their personal business. If you want a conversation, you have to let go of personal desires and face the bigger facts at hand.

 

[Zyros]

It’s not that. We’re talking about systems based on their ability to organize society into being a cohesive unit that lasts longer.

You are judging that society based on its ability to serve you personally and serve your interests. If such is the case, a conversation is pointless and retarded.

Being a family man isn’t the only legit way to spend existence, I agree. There are other forms of existence.

But family being encouraged is literally what maintains a society and by extension, maintains the species. Imagine in the ancient world we didn’t encourage family and breeding. We would go extinct. If we discontinue the encouragement of this activity, our numbers will plummet and many consequences will arise from that. See japan.

We can’t talk about self interest, when speaking about systems in broad terms, which extends beyond the individual.

It would be like a businessman arguing whether or not communism or capitalism is better for the greater good of society, and then base their arguments on which system can better inflate the value of their personal business. If you want a conversation, you have to let go of personal desires and face the bigger facts at hand.

There is a difference between encouraging it and shaming the opposite behavior. Non religious societies ("current west" I guess), despite what might look like with all the "degeneracy" still encourage the "peaceful family lifestyle" and leaving your footprint on this world, continuing your lineage and such. But im not a pariah by not wanting to partake in that. That is the difference with extreme theocracy (at least the abrahamanic ones).

I hate religion and yet I am the first to think that a well designed theocracy (not any of the current ones you would have to craft a religion from scratch) as a whole world order would be one of the best forms of government despite how I am agaisnt any kind of spiritualism taking places in politics. Its just that any of the current models represents a huge loss of quality of life and boredom for any people who dont have very very specific values. Many incels with different mindsets would end roping or depressed in an abrahamanic theocracy because of how narrow the "accepted lifestyle" is and how shamed any other things are.

As I said, for a theocracy to really bring happiness (and not just a controlled society in which only a narrow subset of the population that have a very specific mindset are happy) you would have to create a new religion from scratch.

 

[Blackout.xl]

There is a difference between encouraging it and shaming the opposite behavior. Non religious societies ("current west" I guess), despite what might look like with all the "degeneracy" still encourage the "peaceful family lifestyle" and leaving your footprint on this world, continuin your lineage and such. But im not a pariah by not wanting to partake in that. That is the difference with extreme theocracy (at least the abrahamanic ones).

I hate religion and yet I am the first to think that a well designed theocracy (not any of the current ones you would have to craft a religion from scratch) as a whole world order would be one of the best forms of government despite how I am agaisnt any kind of spiritualism taking places in politics. Its just that any of the current models represents a huge loss of quality of life and boredom for any people who dont have very very specific values. Many incels with different mindsets would end roping or depressed in an abrahamanic theocracy because of how narrow the "accepted lifestyle" is and how shamed any other things are.

As I said, for a theocracy to really bring happiness (and not just a controlled society) you would have to create a new religion from scratch.

The west is anti family and anti (white) child. The young generation has been Bombarded with propaganda of overpopulation and sustainability, which alongside carbon footprint, encouraged them to not have kids or have much less than even their parents.

Hedonistic behaviour is encouraged beyond your late 20’s. It’s the norm for women to still be out partying, having casual sex and doing girls night outs at 30. The excuse of them not being able to find their financial match / a male who mogs them in terms of income and education is a common excuse used.

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Leaving your footprint and continuing your lineage is not emphasized, nor encouraged. At least much less than even 20 years ago.

Hating religion is cucked. Crafting a religion from scratch as a means to serve as a whole world order is pointless and impossible. Different cultures = different interpretations. Which means different beliefs, which means different religions. This is why even within the context of single religions like Christianity, the beliefs differ from region to region.

I don’t get your point of abrahamic religions somehow being in their own category of extreme theocracies. Shintoist japan Pre 1945 was as strict as most islamic theocracies anyway. You would of been a pariah if you did not breed. Making people as pariahs is how society enforces it’s rules anyway. If you don’t adhere to the moral system of the west, you are treated as a pariah. Elaborate more on this point.

It’s not about the needs of the few, it’s about the needs of the many. It’s not wrong for a few hedonists to lose out if it means society is stabilized and preserved. Most incels just want a relationship. I doubt they would rope under such a system. Most of the copes they developed are a response to their lack of romantic connection with women anyway.

 

[Zyros]

The west is anti family and anti (white) child. The young generation has been Bombarded with propaganda of overpopulation and sustainability, which alongside carbon footprint, encouraged them to not have kids or have much less than even their parents.

Hedonistic behaviour is encouraged beyond your late 20’s. It’s the norm for women to still be out partying, having casual sex and doing girls night outs at 30. The excuse of them not being able to find their financial match / a male who mogs them in terms of income and education is a common excuse used.

This may be over exaggerated in media. Irl the majority of people I know just crave the "settle down with stable partner as soon as possible" life. The "party" mindset is shortlived for many.

Marriage Mismatch? Research Shows Today's Single Men Don't Meet Single Women's Expectations

Potential husbands earn less than the women who date them may be hoping.

www.inc.com

Leaving your footprint and continuing your lineage is not emphasized, nor encouraged. At least much less than even 20 years ago.

Thats why everyone spams all social media over and over and over as soon as they have kids and its treated like some holy mission. I've been pestered with questions about "when im settling down too". I dont call it shaming as being pestered is very different from being outright a pariah, but the "have kids" mindset is biologically ingrained in many.

Hating religion is cucked. Crafting a religion from scratch as a means to serve as a whole world order is pointless and impossible. Different cultures = different interpretations. Which means different beliefs, which means different religions. This is why even within the context of single religions like Christianity, the beliefs differ from region to region.

I didnt say its easy, you would just need an insane amount of power and resources. Hating religion is not cucked at all, I hate that instead of admit we are just stupid and ignorant and need to learn more about ourselves and the universe, we just say "its god/divinity/spirituality/insert any other mystical explanation" and call it a day because giving in to the fear of life not having a meaning and feeling alone. Devaluing the only material life we have in the hopes of a less shitty maybe post-death existence (or reincarnation in some cases) is the cucked thing, you are cucking your only years of actual existence.

I don’t get your point of abrahamic religions somehow being in their own category of extreme theocracies. Shintoist japan Pre 1945 was as strict as most islamic theocracies anyway. You would of been a pariah if you did not breed. Making people as pariahs is how society enforces it’s rules anyway. If you don’t adhere to the moral system of the west, you are treated as a pariah. Elaborate more on this point.

Abrahamanic religion models are always the ones mentioned by the most vocal supporters of theocracy (I always see people advocating for sharia, dominionist christianity or in less amount, jews), so they are the easiest examples to put. Simply that.

It’s not about the needs of the few, it’s about the needs of the many. It’s not wrong for a few hedonists to lose out if it means society is stabilized and preserved. Most incels just want a relationship. I doubt they would rope under such a system. Most of the copes they developed are a response to their lack of romantic connection with women anyway.

Shariah would hurt the "many" in favor of the "few". Theres many other aspects of life other than relationships that are severely controlled banned or gimped. Also copes are not only a response to lack of romance. You have chads playing videogames, having "nerd" hobbies or even being otakus. These hobbies or cope preferences would probably still exist anyway. Shariah (and from what I read) extreme christianity would nuke a lot of aspects of life apart from those related to family or offspring. It would lead to a boring and unfulfilling life to more people than an "hedonist minority". Also most incels want a relationship, not necesarily "traditional family values lifestyle". There is a difference between companionship and a whole lifestyle structure.

 

[Blackout.xl]

This may be over exaggerated in media. Irl the majority of people I know just crave the "settle down with stable partner as soon as possible" life. The "party" mindset is shortlived for many.


Thats why everyone spams all social media over and over and over as soon as they have kids and its treated like some holy mission. I've been pestered with questions about "when im settling down too". I dont call it shaming as being pestered is very different from being outright a pariah, but the "have kids" mindset is biologically ingrained in many.


I didnt say its easy, you would just need an insane amount of power and resources. Hating religion is not cucked at all, I hate that instead of admit we are just stupid and ignorant and need to learn more about ourselves and the universe, we just say "its god/divinity/spirituality/insert any other mystical explanation" and call it a day because giving in to the fear of life not having a meaning and feeling alone. Devaluing the only material life we have in the hopes of a less shitty maybe post-death existence (or reincarnation in some cases) is the cucked thing, you are cucking your only years of actual existence.


Abrahamanic religion models are always the ones mentioned by the most vocal supporters of theocracy (I always see people advocating for sharia, dominionist christianity or in less amount, jews), so they are the easiest examples to put. Simply that.



Shariah would hurt the "many" in favor of the "few". Theres many other aspects of life other than relationships that are severely controlled banned or gimped. Also copes are not only a response to lack of romance. You have chads playing videogames, having "nerd" hobbies or even being otakus. These hobbies or cope preferences would probably still exist anyway. Shariah (and from what I read) extreme christianity would nuke a lot of aspects of life apart from those related to family or offspring. It would lead to a boring and unfulfilling life to more people than an "hedonist minority". Also most incels want a relationship, not necesarily "traditional family values lifestyle". There is a difference between companionship and a whole lifestyle structure.

Didn’t you read the article? Women don’t crave that as much as before due to societal pressuring. Movements like the anti-natalist movement or just a general disinterest in having children has skyrocketed in recent generations due to this. I’m not going to even read your anecdotal examples.

The birth rate is below replacement and dropping. This is Indicative of a society that encourages settling down and having kids? Marriage rate is dropping too.

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According to who? Can I not just infer examples of women posting about their party life in their late 20’s and footage of women praising abortions taking place? Or how about the trend of stay at home traditional moms being shamed much more in recent times? I’m going to need a strong reason as to why this cannot be at least equal to this argument you’re putting forward.

That’s not the point of religion. There’s religions such as Buddhism which are based around the expansion of your knowledge and personal growth. Even islam and Christianity are not just based around saying “it was a mystical being” and calling it a day, they are moral guides which underpin communities and ways of living. It’s not even like the existence of a higher power is incoherent or unlikely, it can be argued successively.

Pretty much all religions teach about life being precious and valuable. The abrahamic religions base their doctrine around there only being one life. The value of your life is boosted by your decisions now mattering in the time after. To say it devalues our only material existence is a faulty argument from the ground up. Anti abortion being part of the doctrine of abrahamic religions is an additional example of this aswell. You don’t have to cuck yourself whatsoever.

They aren’t the only examples. You were making them out to be the most extremist categories of theocracies, which is historically inaccurate.

Life is based around the biological objective of breeding. Having a family is based around this. Relationships are the biggest cornerstone of life, whether they are personal or romantic. This is why they have major effects on the mental state of a person.

It’s not even like relationships are the only thing that can exist under sharia. Vidya, sports, Scientific research, philosophy, politics, running a business, etc would all be there. The only things that wouldn’t exist would be partying, drug abuse, alcohol, and casual sex. You’re acting as if people depend on these things to exist and rope if they don’t have them.

I’m not talking about copes in the context of chads and Normies. They develop hobbies with a completely different objective.

incels develop hobbies to cope and burn time. Chads and normies develop hobbies to burn time. There’s a major difference. Chads and normies have alternatives, incels dont. If they could engage in relationships and a non lookist society, they would drop most of their hobbies or lessen them to accommodate their new ones. People with social lives don’t rot on video games all day for a reason.

Idk what you’ve been reading. Islamic law and fundamentalist Christianity aren’t as harmful to hobbies and activities as you say they are. Especially fundamentalist Christianity.

Incels want relationships. They want children. They do want a family structure that allows them to have power and value, which is closest to traditional family structures. There’s a reason why incels almost universally agree with religions stance on the family and Women.

Btw I’m not even a big fan of sharia or Fundamentalist Christianity. I’m a religious moderate. my point was about your arguments being based on personal interest, when the conversation is about what system best fits the needs of society.

 

[Zyros]

Didn’t you read the article? Women don’t crave that as much as before due to societal pressuring. Movements like the anti-natalist movement or just a general disinterest in having children has skyrocketed in recent generations due to this. I’m not going to even read your anecdotal examples.

The birth rate is below replacement and dropping. This is Indicative of a society that encourages settling down and having kids? Marriage rate is dropping too.

you mean that now they are pressured to not crave it? Anti natalist or child-free like me are a big minority really, mostly non neurotypical or with "whacky" ideologies or mindsets. While people dont want to start settling down as soon as they turn 17 like it happened in my grandpa's time, most want to settle down. I have a lot of life experience socializing and knowing all kinds of people, and this is true. Some want it sooner, some later, but us who never (and truly never) want it are a minority. I am including in this younger generations, up to 10 years younger than me.

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According to who? Can I not just infer examples of women posting about their party life in their late 20’s and footage of women praising abortions taking place? Or how about the trend of stay at home traditional moms being shamed much more in recent times? I’m going to need a strong reason as to why this cannot be at least equal to this argument you’re putting forward.

vocal minorities of feminist retards in social media spamming. Irl people just say "whatever each one wants to do".

That’s not the point of religion. There’s religions such as Buddhism which are based around the expansion of your knowledge and personal growth. Even islam and Christianity are not just based around saying “it was a mystical being” and calling it a day, they are moral guides which underpin communities and ways of living. It’s not even like the existence of a higher power is incoherent or unlikely, it can be argued successively.

Pretty much all religions teach about life being precious and valuable. The abrahamic religions base their doctrine around there only being one life. The value of your life is boosted by your decisions now mattering in the time after. To say it devalues our only material existence is a faulty argument from the ground up. Anti abortion being part of the doctrine of abrahamic religions is an additional example of this aswell. You don’t have to cuck yourself whatsoever.

They aren’t the only examples. You were making them out to be the most extremist categories of theocracies, which is historically inaccurate.

I know religions were mostly used as a means to give people a ruleset. For example I remember reading pig meat being deemed unholy, just being a way so people stopping wasting resources trying to travel long distances with that kind of meat that had a high chance of being wasted than other more resistant meats. I know that there is a certain basis behind those things. And yes, I read the bible and it devaluates life itself (apart from proliferation itself) like hell. While it preaches some good values, it falls a lot under self sacrifice (not meaning self harm) and treating this life simply as a bridge. I didnt read the quran but I think it may be a similar approach. Valuing your life as a transition to another higher existential plane is not the same as valuing life itself.

Life is based around the biological objective of breeding. Having a family is based around this. Relationships are the biggest cornerstone of life, whether they are personal or romantic. This is why they have major effects on the mental state of a person.

Brain is wired to desire companionship mostly. Companionship is most commonly achieved by a stable partner, and being tied "stronger" by offspring. While absolute everyone needs some companionship, not everyone has the "instinct" or the "mental" need to have offspring itself. In fact even KNOWING (not having to take care of them, just knowing) I had offspring would drive me insane in a bad way. While my ideology is one of the "whack" ones, the fact that everybody is wired to crave human contact or companionship, does not mean everybody is wired to crave having children.

It’s not even like relationships are the only thing that can exist under sharia. Vidya, sports, Scientific research, philosophy, politics, running a business, etc would all be there. The only things that wouldn’t exist would be partying, drug abuse, alcohol, and casual sex. You’re acting as if people depend on these things to exist and rope if they don’t have them.

sure, just heavily filtered by the Sharia law. Sagas like Pokemon were cancelled in islamic countries due to "evolution" (when evolution in pokemon is nothing like real evolution). Jojo anime which is just some fucking fun parody also got problems because of some stupid shit too. They keep stupid rules like not eating pork despite food not needing to survive an entire desert travel under the sun anymore too. While its not a "vidya and media are all prohibited", many media, games, movies and all of that would be shafted for arbitrary reasons. Also lol at "scientific research" when one of the taboos of sharia, along with apostasy (which I understand) is evolution. Any topic that has anything related to evolution as part of the base for investigation will be heavily slowed down or halted for sure. Also you are mistaking western society and rejection of theocracy with "we just want to party and do degeneracy until we die of overdose in some street at 25", which is as hyperbolic as saying sharia as like they would instantly cut your hands off for stealing some fruit as soon as you walk out of the store, or walking women around in a leash.

I’m not talking about copes in the context of chads and Normies. They develop hobbies with a completely different objective.

incels develop hobbies to cope and burn time. Chads and normies develop hobbies to burn time. There’s a major difference. Chads and normies have alternatives, incels dont. If they could engage in relationships and a non lookist society, they would drop most of their hobbies or lessen them to accommodate their new ones. People with social lives don’t rot on video games all day for a reason.

Not necesarily. You dont need to autodrop anything at the first whiff of a relationship. And "non lookist society" doesn't exist, lookism will always be there no matter how much you want to supress it, because its not cultural like politics or some racism, but instinctual. Lookism is the only discrimination that trascends culture, race, gender and age. Western society making a big fuss about looks doesnt make societies that don't inmune to its effects.

Idk what you’ve been reading. Islamic law and fundamentalist Christianity aren’t as harmful to hobbies and activities as you say they are. Especially fundamentalist Christianity.

Commented above how, while whole hobbies wouldnt probably be banned, they would be heavily nitpicked.

Incels want relationships. They want children. They do want a family structure that allows them to have power and value, which is closest to traditional family structures. There’s a reason why incels almost universally agree with religions stance on the family and Women.

Not all. I was an incel myself, and met many other incels who didnt give a fuck about having children, we wanted relationships and companionships, but not "traditional family man life". Being wanted by an equal partner would mean enough value and power for us. And no, like the ones who praise getting abortions like you get candy, incels who want religious stances on family and "traditional family values" seem like more because they are the vocal ones. I tell you, I have been in all kind of social environments, including popular guys and incels, and preference for those hyper traditional family values wasnt "universal". What was almost universal was the desire to be accepted by a partner, thats it. Some wanted kids, but I almost never met anyone preaching traditional religious views of family, and I met a lot.

Btw I’m not even a big fan of sharia or Fundamentalist Christianity. I’m a religious moderate. my point was about your arguments being based on personal interest, when the conversation is about what system best fits the needs of society.

Nah if it was for personal interest, i'd advocate for completely removing traditional generational societal structure, and starting to advocate for radical life extension rather than basing life in "passing the baton" to the "next generation", and for society to stop being so cucked worshipping nature, normal aging and death. What I truly personally wish would be a much more radical change for society than it would be for sharia to rule the western world, to put an example. so all what I said wasnt as biased by my standpoint as you think. In fact in my ideal society endgame hookups and all that would probably cease to exist as we would be a genderless society completely free of ANY natural instinct or shackle, including reproduction.

 

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you mean that now they are pressured to not crave it? Anti natalist or child-free like me are a big minority really, mostly non neurotypical or with "whacky" ideologies or mindsets. While people dont want to start settling down as soon as they turn 17 like it happened in my grandpa's time, most want to settle down. I have a lot of life experience socializing and knowing all kinds of people, and this is true. Some want it sooner, some later, but us who never (and truly never) want it are a minority. I am including in this younger generations, up to 10 years younger than me.


vocal minorities of feminist retards in social media spamming. Irl people just say "whatever each one wants to do".



I know religions were mostly used as a means to give people a ruleset. For example I remember reading pig meat being deemed unholy, just being a way so people stopping wasting resources trying to travel long distances with that kind of meat that had a high chance of being wasted than other more resistant meats. I know that there is a certain basis behind those things. And yes, I read the bible and it devaluates life itself (apart from proliferation itself) like hell. While it preaches some good values, it falls a lot under self sacrifice (not meaning self harm) and treating this life simply as a bridge. I didnt read the quran but I think it may be a similar approach. Valuing your life as a transition to another higher existential plane is not the same as valuing life itself.



Brain is wired to desire companionship mostly. Companionship is most commonly achieved by a stable partner, and being tied "stronger" by offspring. While absolute everyone needs some companionship, not everyone has the "instinct" or the "mental" need to have offspring itself. In fact even KNOWING (not having to take care of them, just knowing) I had offspring would drive me insane in a bad way. While my ideology is one of the "whack" ones, the fact that everybody is wired to crave human contact or companionship, does not mean everybody is wired to crave having children.


sure, just heavily filtered by the Sharia law. Sagas like Pokemon were cancelled in islamic countries due to "evolution" (when evolution in pokemon is nothing like real evolution). Jojo anime which is just some fucking fun parody also got problems because of some stupid shit too. They keep stupid rules like not eating pork despite food not needing to survive an entire desert travel under the sun anymore too. While its not a "vidya and media are all prohibited", many media, games, movies and all of that would be shafted for arbitrary reasons. Also lol at "scientific research" when one of the taboos of sharia, along with apostasy (which I understand) is evolution. Any topic that has anything related to evolution as part of the base for investigation will be heavily slowed down or halted for sure. Also you are mistaking western society and rejection of theocracy with "we just want to party and do degeneracy until we die of overdose in some street at 25", which is as hyperbolic as saying sharia as like they would instantly cut your hands off for stealing some fruit as soon as you walk out of the store, or walking women around in a leash.



Not necesarily. You dont need to autodrop anything at the first whiff of a relationship. And "non lookist society" doesn't exist, lookism will always be there no matter how much you want to supress it, because its not cultural like politics or some racism, but instinctual. Lookism is the only discrimination that trascends culture, race, gender and age. Western society making a big fuss about looks doesnt make societies that don't inmune to its effects.



Commented above how, while whole hobbies wouldnt probably be banned, they would be heavily nitpicked.


Not all. I was an incel myself, and met many other incels who didnt give a fuck about having children, we wanted relationships and companionships, but not "traditional family man life". Being wanted by an equal partner would mean enough value and power for us. And no, like the ones who praise getting abortions like you get candy, incels who want religious stances on family and "traditional family values" seem like more because they are the vocal ones. I tell you, I have been in all kind of social environments, including popular guys and incels, and preference for those hyper traditional family values wasnt "universal". What was almost universal was the desire to be accepted by a partner, thats it. Some wanted kids, but I almost never met anyone preaching traditional religious views of family, and I met a lot.


Nah if it was for personal interest, i'd advocate for completely removing traditional generational societal structure, and starting to advocate for radical life extension rather than basing life in "passing the baton" to the "next generation", and for society to stop being so cucked worshipping nature, normal aging and death. What I truly personally wish would be a much more radical change for society than it would be for sharia to rule the western world, to put an example. so all what I said wasnt as biased by my standpoint as you think. In fact in my ideal society endgame hookups and all that would probably cease to exist as we would be a genderless society completely free of ANY natural instinct or shackle, including reproduction.

Child free is a growing minority. A lack of urge for kids is the norm for millennials and below. That’s why the birth rate is below replacement levels and will stay there in most of the western world. This is why mass migration happens.

These aren’t just a small vocal minority. Women choosing to be a stay at home mom is seen as Intentional shackling by the liberal faction of society. People say do what you want to do, but more and more advise against such activities. Women are expected to be career women, not stay at home mums.

No. Pork was deemed unholy because it is unclean, which is true. The pig is one of the most dirty and disease prone animals out there.

Life is detailed as a bridge, sure. But that bridge is viewed as a highly important bridge where all the most important decisions Take place. It’s seen as a bridge that is the difference between salvation and failure. It is also defined as the only form of material existence that you will ever have. There is no devaluation here.

At this point you’re arguing against biology. The vast majority of humans on this planet have the biological urge to breed And continue their genetic line. That is how humans survived into the 21st century, despite multiple close call incidents where humans sometimes numbered less than 100,000.

Keeping rules like pork banned isn’t a dumb rule. You don’t need pork. It’s extremely unhealthy and unclean. I’m almost sure the WHO even listed pork as a carcinogen. I don’t agree with pork being banned, but this isn’t a hobby. Nor is it something important. There’s reasons why this rule is in place.

The Islamic golden age happened during Islamic law being enforced throughout the Muslim world and many scientific advancements came from it, such as the foundations of modern mathematics (a lot of our numbers, symbols, methods of calculation, etc) all have origins in this time period. So I can’t agree with Islamic law not allowing for scientific advancement.

Never made that statement or even implied that.

Meanwhile I agree non lookist societies do not exist, there are societies that limit it to bare minimum levels and therefore, are immune to most of its effects.

Don’t care about your personal anecdotes. Read the .me and .co surveys.

This sounds like some teenage feminist rambling on tumblr. Good look creating a genderless society when gender is literally build upon a foundation of biological reality.

 

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Child free is a growing minority. A lack of urge for kids is the norm for millennials and below. That’s why the birth rate is below replacement levels and will stay there in most of the western world. This is why mass migration happens.

These aren’t just a small vocal minority. Women choosing to be a stay at home mom is seen as Intentional shackling by the liberal faction of society. People say do what you want to do, but more and more advise against such activities. Women are expected to be career women, not stay at home mums.

There are many more reasons people may not have children. True childfree people are few, and will never be a "global problem".

No. Pork was deemed unholy because it is unclean, which is true. The pig is one of the most dirty and disease prone animals out there.

unclean? Like unsafe? I never heard people getting sick from eating pork, its a very "used" animals in rural reas, and even in the most "backwards" areas its never been a problem. I think cows also give more problems about dying because of stupid shit or disease.

Life is detailed as a bridge, sure. But that bridge is viewed as a highly important bridge where all the most important decisions Take place. It’s seen as a bridge that is the difference between salvation and failure. It is also defined as the only form of material existence that you will ever have. There is no devaluation here.

The devaluation comes with living all your life looking forward to afterlife. A "comparison" of sorts is spending your life just overworking yourself to amass more money looking forward to retirement, essentiallly "wasting" your younger years. Its a terrenal comparison but i'm sure you will understand it.

At this point you’re arguing against biology. The vast majority of humans on this planet have the biological urge to breed And continue their genetic line. That is how humans survived into the 21st century, despite multiple close call incidents where humans sometimes numbered less than 100,000.

The urge is to have sex mostly. I'm not arguing agaisnt biology. I do not desire to have offpring itself despite have a really high libido. And i know im not the only so im not some "rare defect". We are a minority without the offspring desire as I said in first point, but we exist.

Keeping rules like pork banned isn’t a dumb rule. You don’t need pork. It’s extremely unhealthy and unclean. I’m almost sure the WHO even listed pork as a carcinogen. I don’t agree with pork being banned, but this isn’t a hobby. Nor is it something important. There’s reasons why this rule is in place.

Lamb and beef are considered as "unhealty" as pork. By this reasoning those should be ditched too and we should eat chicken. Also depends a lot on the preparation/cooking. "there's a reason this rule is in place when its not relevant anymore"->control, exact same with having dress codes in closed workplaces without clients or other rules with no practical utility.

The Islamic golden age happened during Islamic law being enforced throughout the Muslim world and many scientific advancements came from it, such as the foundations of modern mathematics (a lot of our numbers, symbols, methods of calculation, etc) all have origins in this time period. So I can’t agree with Islamic law not allowing for scientific advancement.

There are many branches to sciente, and nowadays the negation of evolution would be a huge obstacle to many advancements. Its not like new mathematics rules need to be invented or something.

Never made that statement or even implied that.

Meanwhile I agree non lookist societies do not exist, there are societies that limit it to bare minimum levels and therefore, are immune to most of its effects.

What effects of lookism do those societies avoid? The only one I see is the more probability to have a wife. All other lookism is heavily hardwired into us. In fact most effects of lookism are not even related to the ability to attain a wife or a family.

Don’t care about your personal anecdotes. Read the .me and .co surveys.

This sounds like some teenage feminist rambling on tumblr. Good look creating a genderless society when gender is literally build upon a foundation of biological reality.

Do not mistake what I call "genderless" with stupid "gender fluid" shit, the two have nothing in common. I am talking about transhumanist end game, not SJW copes. And I never said its attainable right now, its just something I would like.