Italy is a nightmare

[Eduardo DOV]

I am low T
Italian girls that I could realistically have for a LTR are under 3 pls
Abroad, is easier to fuck, but I want LTR and I’m not going to bring here some 30 yo russisn sluth to spend all my money and disappear, which is the norm here with eastern women

not low t
high retarted

 

[Deleted member 2634]

Kim Jong Un please nuke Italy

 

[Deleted member 3381]

italy is a shithole country

 

[SayNoToRotting]

Do you also feel that its a hypocrisy that men shouldn't wear skirts, makeup and get penetrated?

If they want to, why not?

Also,men should also only get in touch with one single women accoring to the ancient, "sacred" social norms that you're undoubtably referring to.
Hook ups were looked down upon in both genders almost equally in the far past.

 

[Kinko]

Do you know @Kinko

Nope,for me Is God country

 

[Deleted member 3573]

90% of hookers in italy are russian stacies

Most Russian and eastern Euro women who have gone outside or live in other western countries are disgusting whores even if they haven't been prostitutes before. They date subhuman men and it looks completely off. Totally disgusting women many of them even though they're beautiful on the outside.

 

[elfmaxx]

If they want to, why not?

Also,men should also only get in touch with one single women accoring to the ancient, "sacred" social norms that you're undoubtably referring to.
Hook ups were looked down upon in both genders almost equally in the far past.

 

[onnysk]

Most Russian and eastern Euro women who have gone outside or live in other western countries are disgusting whores even if they haven't been prostitutes before. They date subhuman men and it looks completely off. Totally disgusting women many of them even though they're beautiful on the outside.

they´re soulless, good if you ur ugly but rich

bad if you want to be loved for your looks

 

[disillusioned]

Real philosophers would not care about getting laid

 

[Noodlewhore]

I'm italian too and I agree.
I strongly believe this is the hardest country to get laid, only behind some arab countries where girls get killed if they have sex before marriage.
But I gave up to let anybody understand that, it's futile. At least, though, they don't get sex with Chad either. Everybody complain here, even big Chad.

The fact that we have 4-5 big forums dedicated to incel thoughts is indicative how shitty things are here. I can get girls everywhere in Europe, beside Italy (and Portugal)...that say something
Also, I believe Italy has the biggest amount of virgins out of all countries in the world.

Nobody will say it, but I do believe many here never had a girl and even more only had one girlfriend in their entire life.

 

[oldcell]

I'm italian too and I agree.
I strongly believe this is the hardest country to get laid, only behind some arab countries where girls get killed if they have sex before marriage.
But I gave up to let anybody understand that, it's futile. At least, though, they don't get sex with Chad either. Everybody complain here, even big Chad.

The fact that we have 4-5 big forums dedicated to incel thoughts is indicative how shitty things are here. I can get girls everywhere in Europe, beside Italy (and Portugal)...that say something
Also, I believe Italy has the biggest amount of virgins out of all countries in the world.

Nobody will say it, but I do believe many here never had a girl and even more only had one girlfriend in their entire life.

interesting
How does average italian at club looks like now?
Are they looksmaxed?
I think most people have good hair, beards and sense of style there, gymcelling is more popular at USA , UK

 

[Noodlewhore]

interesting
How does average italian at club looks like now?
Are they looksmaxed?
I think most people have good hair, beards and sense of style there, gymcelling is more popular at USA , UK

I think people here are very blackpilled. Everybody care about their looks but for looks I mean face.
You will not see as many buffed guys as in the US, Australia, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia or whatever......guys here don't give a fuck because they know young beautiful girls here couldn't care less about big muscles. The same is true in much of Southern Europe like France, Spain, Portugal ecc...guys aren't buffed.

That being said, all guys here care about the face and social connections (ie social circle) because that's how you get a nice girl.
Everybody here care about their hair, skin, eyes area, jaw, nose, eyebrows, chin ecc. There is a forum only dedicated to that and it's populated only by guys who ask for jaw surgery info, hair transplant, malar implants, orbital rim implants ecc

The same is true for social connections and social status....everybody is actively trying to get big social circle because that's how you meet girls....not from clubs and bars. So a good instagram account is extremely important.

Lastly, yes it's true italian guys are style maxxed in terms of clothes because italian girls do care about how you're dressed. And since they care they spend money on it. They don't instead spend money for things italian girls don't give a shit about (ie gym).

So, yeah there are some differences but usually people are are very blackpilled about face...everybody know that's what matter and they actively seek plastic surgery to improve their looks

Clubs look like shit here....it's a complete sausage fest, but italian guys don't go there as much anymore. Indeed many clubs are closing down. They figured out that a good girl can only be gotten through social circle, not in a club where chads hang around

 

[Rich giù]

I'm italian too and I agree.
I strongly believe this is the hardest country to get laid, only behind some arab countries where girls get killed if they have sex before marriage.
But I gave up to let anybody understand that, it's futile. At least, though, they don't get sex with Chad either. Everybody complain here, even big Chad.

The fact that we have 4-5 big forums dedicated to incel thoughts is indicative how shitty things are here. I can get girls everywhere in Europe, beside Italy (and Portugal)...that say something
Also, I believe Italy has the biggest amount of virgins out of all countries in the world.

Nobody will say it, but I do believe many here never had a girl and even more only had one girlfriend in their entire life.

Not at all

Many people I know had a ridicolously high number of girls...there is no difference IF you are a 7

In 7 zone you can do everything and live the dream from your armchair on Tinder

Cuz Tinder Works and many people have sex daily here on tinder...but they are good looking

 

[Noodlewhore]

Not at all

Many people I know had a ridicolously high number of girls...there is no difference IF you are a 7

In 7 zone you can do everything and live the dream from your armchair on Tinder

Cuz Tinder Works and many people have sex daily here on tinder...but they are good looking

Who? and Where?
I live in Milan and nobody here slay through Tinder
The only girls they get is their gfs who they got from their social circle. The others use their hand or go abroad to find a girl to slay.

 

[Rich giù]

not low t
high retarted

Why? You have problems

Who? and Where?
I live in Milan and nobody here slay through Tinder
The only girls they get is their gfs who they got from their social circle. The others use their hand or go abroad to find a girl to slay.

Come on, Loser’s most famous experiment

He had a woman’s number afrer a 2 minutes chat on Tinder with Orbs’s pics...he said that he he was retarded and that he masturbates with liquid soap

 

[oldcell]

I think people here are very blackpilled. Everybody care about their looks but for looks I mean face.
You will not see as many buffed guys as in the US, Australia, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia or whatever......guys here don't give a fuck because they know young beautiful girls here couldn't care less about big muscles. The same is true in much of Southern Europe like France, Spain, Portugal ecc...guys aren't buffed.

That being said, all guys here care about the face and social connections (ie social circle) because that's how you get a nice girl.
Everybody here care about their hair, skin, eyes area, jaw, nose, eyebrows, chin ecc. There is a forum only dedicated to that and it's populated only by guys who ask for jaw surgery info, hair transplant, malar implants, orbital rim implants ecc

The same is true for social connections and social status....everybody is actively trying to get big social circle because that's how you meet girls....not from clubs and bars. So a good instagram account is extremely important.

Lastly, yes it's true italian guys are style maxxed in terms of clothes because italian girls do care about how you're dressed. And since they care they spend money on it. They don't instead spend money for things italian girls don't give a shit about (ie gym).

So, yeah there are some differences but usually people are are very blackpilled about face...everybody know that's what matter and they actively seek plastic surgery to improve their looks

Clubs look like shit here....it's a complete sausage fest, but italian guys don't go there as much anymore. Indeed many clubs are closing down. They figured out that a good girl can only be gotten through social circle, not in a club where chads hang around

Great answer
This is exactly what i observed , i even worked with italian guys and it fits description
LEgit point that gymcelling is not so populat there and at south Europe guys are not buffed , they are lean stylemaxed with gret hair and skin
Are beards and stubble popular there? Do s;layers rocks facial hair?

 

[Rich giù]

Apart from experiments, on Tinder is easy to fuck...if you are over 7 you fuck on tinder and through social circle, instsgram, facebook and so on...
If you are under 7, it’s over

Anyway, Noodles, what’s up?

 

[Noodlewhore]

Why? You have problems

Come on, Loser’s most famous experiment

He had a woman’s number afrer a 2 minutes chat on Tinder with Orbs’s pics...he said that he he was retarded and that he masturbates with liquid soap

What does that prove? You'll not slay here from Tinder
Actually even true Chads go after foreigner girls so that should tell something
Not saying that looks isn't important, of course it is, but italian girls are less likely to indulge in casual sex than girls from different backgrounds regardless of how hot the guy is.
They do are very hypergamous but for a LTR, they want the male model for a relationship. There are some exceptions of course but that's the norm. When they go abroad and nobody see them, probably they get sluttier but they aren't in Italy

Among my friends in Milan nobody get laid outside of a relationship and they aren't incel at all

 

[Rich giù]

Great answer
This is exactly what i observed , i even worked with italian guys and it fits description
LEgit point that gymcelling is not so populat there and at south Europe guys are not buffed , they are lean stylemaxed with gret hair and skin
Are beards and stubble popular there? Do s;layers rocks facial hair?

Not completely true about gymcelling

In South Italy they are all gymcelling to find girls...
Many girls of poor hoods strive for big rude Gorillaz with tatoos all across the body
We call them tamarri
It is a classical category of Italian trash tv

 

[Pietrosiek]

giu giu giu

 

[Deleted member 3573]

they´re soulless, good if you ur ugly but rich

bad if you want to be loved for your looks

So fucking true. You won't get validated for your looks by most of them.

 

[Rich giù]

What does that prove? You'll not slay here from Tinder
Actually even true Chads go after foreigner girls so that should tell something
Not saying that looks isn't important, of course it is, but italian girls are less likely to indulge in casual sex than girls from different backgrounds regardless of how hot the guy is.
They do are very hypergamous but for a LTR, they want the male model for a relationship. There are some exceptions of course but that's the norm. When they go abroad and nobody see them, probably they get sluttier but they aren't in Italy

Among my friends in Milan nobody get laid outside of a relationship and they aren't incel at all

Noodle your friends are not so hot and popular as you think they are...

I know it’s harsh for incels to accept, since they are out, but many attractive young guys get laid on the net Daily, and girls at just 20 yo already have a relevant number of sexual partners...all of them beautiful

 

[Bewusst]

I need a wife guys...that’s all

Possibly, a 6 in look, it would be enough

It's your ridiculous standards which you simply can't have today as a non-Chad male.

 

[Noodlewhore]

Great answer
This is exactly what i observed , i even worked with italian guys and it fits description
LEgit point that gymcelling is not so populat there and at south Europe guys are not buffed , they are lean stylemaxed with gret hair and skin
Are beards and stubble popular there? Do s;layers rocks facial hair?

Some do have a beards, some don't...I don't think girls here care about a beard. They're pretty neutral about it. Young girls though do prefer the pretty boy look over a super masculine gorilla

I have no doubt that Lachowski in his prime would have no problem in getting super nice, high class and hot girlfriends here. Gigachad posted here? Doubt it. Showed his pics to my two sisters and both found him disgusting. He would probably slay among low class, village girls. But high class, beautiful, city girls prefer another kind of beauty.

This is an example of italian men that girls here found hot (in the attachment below)

Noodle your friends are not so hot and popular as you think they are...

I know it’s harsh for incels to accept, since they are out, but many attractive young guys get laid on the net Daily, and girls at just 20 yo already have a relevant number of sexual partners...all of them beautiful

Are you sure? Because all the good looking girls where I live are dating some guys, they aren't even single. They don't slay around, at least in Italy. When they are on vacation abroad of course they may get much looser, but in Italy no way!
I think you are making judgments based on tv shows like "Uomini & Donne" and "Temptation Island" but that is just an over exaggeration and target mainly low class, village girls very tacky.
That being said even if they find those models attractive, I guarantee you they don't fuck them. Indeed they often get into relationships to fuck those girls. You see them dating this year a girl, next year another one...if they could get casual sex, they'll stay single

 

[Rich giù]

Indeed, many italian chads, which are 7,5 8 in look, are singles and they fuck every girl, girls don’t have moral problems and they like it

All chads over 30 I know are single, and, being unlucky, I have met many attractive guys and be in the same social circle...woman send them photos on the phone, they provoke, they want sex...

To me, whst you are saying is perfectly true but only for people between 6 and 7

Under 6 both LTR and ONS are impossible, over 7 you can everything

 

[Noodlewhore]

Here is what italian girls like, this guy will attract much more that whatever low class, buff gigachad you can think of who girls here found disgusting

He has HAIR (italian girls love a thick, dense, NW0 in guys), skin, tan, eyes area, good clothes, and look high class. That's what italian girls love.

 

[Rich giù]

Here is what italian girls like, this guy will attract much more that whatever low class, buff gigachad you can think of who girls here found disgusting

He has HAIR (italian girls love a thick, dense, NW0 in guys), skin, tan, eyes area, good clothes, and look high class. That's what italian girls love.

Yes, I agree

This guy is a 7,5

 

[Bullpill]

Indeed, many italian chads, which are 7,5 8 in look, are singles and they fuck every girl, girls don’t have moral problems and they like it

All chads over 30 I know are single, and, being unlucky, I have met many attractive guys and be in the same social circle...woman send them photos on the phone, they provoke, they want sex...

To me, whst you are saying is perfectly true but only for people between 6 and 7

Under 6 both LTR and ONS are impossible, over 7 you can everything

Chad-pilled

 

[Deleted member 2634]

If you can get pussy in Italy you then you can get It everywhere

 

[Noodlewhore]

Indeed, many italian chads, which are 7,5 8 in look, are singles and they fuck every girl, girls don’t have moral problems and they like it

All chads over 30 I know are single, and, being unlucky, I have met many attractive guys and be in the same social circle...woman send them photos on the phone, they provoke, they want sex...

To me, whst you are saying is perfectly true but only for people between 6 and 7

Under 6 both LTR and ONS are impossible, over 7 you can everything

I can't post pics here, but I really know guys who are pretty good looking and they can't get any sex with beautiful girls outside of a relationship.
I don't know who you are referring too, are the girls you are talking about italians? Are they hot? High class? City girls? Those girls are almost impossibile to get outside of a relationship even for real Chad, at least here in Milan
Don't know which city you're from though

 

[Rich giù]

Anyway, though I agree wuth noodle on chad-like appearances here, I also think that traditional american chad ultra virile like Roman Reigns are very appreciated even by rich girls

Beauty is much more a matter of armony and proportions, but being virile can help you to have the edge over competition

I can't post pics here, but I really know guys who are pretty good looking and they can't get any sex with beautiful girls outside of a relationship.
I don't know who you are referring too, are the girls you are talking about italians? Are they hot? High class? City girls? Those girls are almost impossibile to get outside of a relationship even for real Chad, at least here in Milan
Don't know which city you're from though

What do you mean by High class?
I know some chads and they have occasional sex with the same ease I have a shower...I do not know whether those girls are high-class, surely they are above average in look...

I’m from Pisa
In Milan money are much more important, I agree, but in Milan there are male models, to be above average in Milan you need to be a 9

 

[Sweboy]

Anyway, though I agree wuth noodle on chad-like appearances here, I also think that traditional american chad ultra virile like Roman Reigns are very appreciated even by rich girls

Beauty is much more a matter of armony and proportions, but being virile can help you to have the edge over competition

What do you mean by High class?
I know some chads and they have occasional sex with the same ease I have a shower...I do not know whether those girls are high-class, surely they are above average in look...

I’m from Pisa
In Milan money are much more important, I agree, but in Milan there are male models, to be above average in Milan you need to be a 9

Which surgeuns in rome/italy do orbital rim implants? I didn't know u could get them done in Europe!

 

[Rich giù]

Which surgeuns in rome/italy do orbital rim implants? I didn't know u could get them done in Europe!

I had a consult with dr.Pagnoni in August, he does orbital rims standard and customized

He is very open-minded, though he rejected me when I asked a Lefort 3

Another good surgeon for the eye/orbital area is Pascali, in Rome, who I will consult soon

 

[Sweboy]

I had a consult with dr.Pagnoni in August, he does orbital rims standard and customized

He is very open-minded, though he rejected me when I asked a Lefort 3

Another good surgeon for the eye/orbital area is Pascali, in Rome, who I will consult soon

What did they quote u? Ie price?

 

[Rich giù]

Quote me? I don’t understand sorry

 

[oldcell]

Here is what italian girls like, this guy will attract much more that whatever low class, buff gigachad you can think of who girls here found disgusting

He has HAIR (italian girls love a thick, dense, NW0 in guys), skin, tan, eyes area, good clothes, and look high class. That's what italian girls love.

Agreed
What about balding? Do italian girls like heavy norwooded men?

 

[Rich giù]

Well, I want to consult with as many surgeons as possible before operating, since I’m 34 and this will be my final surgery, if I do not ascend now I can die happy to have tried all the possibilities. Just that

In case I stay ugly I’d rather die

 

[oldcell]

Well, I want to consult with as many surgeons as possible before operating, since I’m 34 and this will be my final surgery, if I do not ascend now I can die happy to have tried all the possibilities. Just that

In case I stay ugly I’d rather die

Also guys its true that at ITaly guys live with mothers well into their 40?
I knew some chads from Italy working like animators, both living with parents up into their 30
IT seems like tradition or strong family relationship

 

[Lorsss]

If he is a user in the italian community, yes, surely. Maybe he uses a different nickname.
I have a legend tag in our forum

what's your name in forum dei brutti?

 

[Rich giù]

Also guys its true that at ITaly guys live with mothers well into their 40?
I knew some chads from Italy working like animators, both living with parents up into their 30
IT seems like tradition or strong family relationship

Yes
Well, it goes without saying that to be independent is far better, but if have attractive face, you slay no matter what

what's your name in forum dei brutti?

The same
Rich guy

 

[Sweboy]

Quote me? I don’t understand sorry

What does it cost? What is the price?

 

[Rich giù]

I prefer unbruttoforum anyway, now is dead

The official Il forum dei brutti has a bad admin so people split in 3 other forums

 

[Deleted member 4044]

White western women generally don't want to or need to submit to any man but the top 5-10 percent. And even then they give the aura of 'you're not that good, I could do better than you anyway'

I am trying to mentally erase white women from my mind. Just not see them. 95% don't want me and I don't need the bad attitude from the few who do.

 

[Rich giù]

What does it cost? What is the price?

Ah ok

No it was not the price, which is not expensive at all, I just want to consult with more surgeons since, for my age and for my tiredness of living, this will be the last surgery

Dr Pagnoni uses medpore implants, do u know someone in europe that uses Idrossiapatite?
Dr. Pascali, from what we can see from his Instagram, uses a bone grafting technique + midface lifting + canto

 

[Lorsss]

If you can get pussy in Italy you then you can get It everywhere

@medialcanthuscel

select game difficoulty:

• Beginner (South-East Asia)
• Easy (South America)
• Medium (Eastern Europe)
• Moderate (Japan)
• Hard (North America)
• Expert (South Europe)
• Extreme (North Europe)
• Nightmare (Italy)

 

[Rich giù]

People from my Telegram group asked him about the price for customized infraorbital implants, I think is between 10 and 15k €

However, for the reason I told you, I would be more confortable with a Lefort 3 osteotomy...the point is that he rejected it and probably no one in Europe does it...

Sinn modified lefort 3 is shitty guys, I need a Real lefort 3...

 

[oldcell]

@medialcanthuscel

select game difficoulty:

• Beginner (South-East Asia)
• Easy (Eastern Europe)
• Medium (South America)
• Moderate (Japan)
• Hard (North America)
• Expert (South Europe)
• Extreme (North Europe)
• Impossible (Italy)

I live at central and i would say its up there with USA at difficulty

 

[Rich giù]

imagine calling yourself an philosopher you pseudnigger

Have a nice day

@medialcanthuscel

select game difficoulty:

• Beginner (South-East Asia)
• Easy (South America)
• Medium (Eastern Europe)
• Moderate (Japan)
• Hard (North America)
• Expert (South Europe)
• Extreme (North Europe)
• Impossible (Italy)

South America is too wide, in Argentina is tough almost like here, in Colombia/Venezuela/Perù is as easy as in east asia

 

[Sweboy]

Ah ok

No it was not the price, which is not expensive at all, I just want to consult with more surgeons since, for my age and for my tiredness of living, this will be the last surgery

Dr Pagnoni uses medpore implants, do u know someone in europe that uses Idrossiapatite?
Dr. Pascali, from what we can see from his Instagram, uses a bone grafting technique + midface lifting + canto

Ok so I tired Google translate

Che cosa vuole esattamente aver pagato per gli impianti del cerchio orbitale? l'unica cosa che provoca segnali di allarme è che ho visto il dottor Taban rimuovere l'impianto medpore a favore dell'idrossiapatite. Tuttavia, non so se potrò viaggiare negli Stati Uniti per farlo, sarebbe stato molto più agevole nell'UE. Ma no, non conosco nessuno qui.

 

[Rich giù]

Anyway, being born and bread italian, for me, anywhere abroad is easy...even in the US or other south european countries

That said, it is not impossible, you need to be a 7

Ok so I tired Google translate

Che cosa vuole esattamente aver pagato per gli impianti del cerchio orbitale? l'unica cosa che provoca segnali di allarme è che ho visto il dottor Taban rimuovere l'impianto medpore a favore dell'idrossiapatite. Tuttavia, non so se potrò viaggiare negli Stati Uniti per farlo, sarebbe stato molto più agevole nell'UE. Ma no, non conosco nessuno qui.

Ok

Yeah, I know the risks involved with Medpore...Idrossiapatite is better but no one does it here