It's pretty clear what is, at the minimum possible natty and the cope has to end

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FACTS, WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE STEROIDS WERE EVEN INVENTED:

Among Hermann Görner's many feats of strength were the following notable lifts:

Deadlift – 360 kg (793 lb) with overhand hook grip. 380 kg (840 lb) with mixed grip.

One-handed deadlift – 330 kg (730 lb) on 8 October 1920, Leipzig, Germany

Deadlift – 270 kg (600 lb) using just two fingers of each hand
As far as bodybuilding goes (and he wasn't even a bodybuilder) - 28.4 FFMI at 15% body fat (and this is a conservative estimation)



So those things above are what is AT THE VERY LEAST possible with great genetics. Why? Because they didn't even use creatine back then, not to mention sub-optimal training and nutrition, AND way way fewer people were training overall than today so obviously fewer people with insane genetics were training.

Copers always post the weakest physiques of the pre-steroid era to "prove their point" and continue coping with their weak genetics. Here are some better examples:

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Like be honest with yourself, if some of these guys would do 50 photos flexing with a pump in front of a mirror and choose the best angles and post it on Instagram and say they're natty there would be a flood of copers posting comments like "natty" "tren hard eat clen anavar give up" etc.

It's not about who is natty or not as that is impossible to know. But about what is possible natty. And yes, great physiques and insane strength is possible natty. It requires however the most important thing - genetics which is the biggest pill
 
Bump for good thread, genuinely 0 interest in this topic
 
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Meanwhile, this is the fate for many lifters

 
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These guys are small
 
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These guys are small
The thing is, many people today cannot possibly believe X guy can be natty and X guy is smaller than them. What stats would you consider not small?
 
The thing is, many people today cannot possibly believe X guy can be natty and X guy is smaller than them. What stats would you consider not small?
They’re bones just look small
Big bone density gives the illusion of big muscles when you’re a natty
 
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bodyboilding is coep
 
FACTS, WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE STEROIDS WERE EVEN INVENTED:

Among Hermann Görner's many feats of strength were the following notable lifts:

Deadlift – 360 kg (793 lb) with overhand hook grip. 380 kg (840 lb) with mixed grip.

One-handed deadlift – 330 kg (730 lb) on 8 October 1920, Leipzig, Germany

Deadlift – 270 kg (600 lb) using just two fingers of each hand
As far as bodybuilding goes (and he wasn't even a bodybuilder) - 28.4 FFMI at 15% body fat (and this is a conservative estimation)



So those things above are what is AT THE VERY LEAST possible with great genetics. Why? Because they didn't even use creatine back then, not to mention sub-optimal training and nutrition, AND way way fewer people were training overall than today so obviously fewer people with insane genetics were training.

Copers always post the weakest physiques of the pre-steroid era to "prove their point" and continue coping with their weak genetics. Here are some better examples:

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Like be honest with yourself, if some of these guys would do 50 photos flexing with a pump in front of a mirror and choose the best angles and post it on Instagram and say they're natty there would be a flood of copers posting comments like "natty" "tren hard eat clen anavar give up" etc.

It's not about who is natty or not as that is impossible to know. But about what is possible natty. And yes, great physiques and insane strength is possible natty. It requires however the most important thing - genetics which is the biggest pill

that's why it could be possible for jeff seid being natty at least in some pics
 
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