Blackpill Jaw aesthetics - frontal analysis

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It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.




But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?



This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:



Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle



A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:



Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:


However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:




Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:



This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)



The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:



If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.
Are there any complications of undergoing an osteotomy like this and then combining it with another one afterwards? When it heals up is it like as if that was your starting point
 
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what causes wide recessed jaw with low gonial angle
 
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Acromegaly_Chad @Acromegaly_Chad answer my question
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.
actually the gonions torque outward during turning process, the anterior mandible (where the imdo advances) doesn’t widen it just projects forward like BSSO. watch dr c’s imdo 30 min explanation video
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.

View attachment 1367626


But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?

View attachment 1367631

This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:

View attachment 1367632

Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle

View attachment 1367640

A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:

View attachment 1367649

Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:
View attachment 1367656

However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:

View attachment 1367657


Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:

View attachment 1367661

This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)

View attachment 1367663

The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:

View attachment 1367665

If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.
What movements did the guy from jsf get? Like how many mm with bsso and chinwing?
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.

View attachment 1367626


But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?

View attachment 1367631

This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:

View attachment 1367632

Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle

View attachment 1367640

A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:

View attachment 1367649

Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:
View attachment 1367656

However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:

View attachment 1367657


Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:

View attachment 1367661

This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)

View attachment 1367663

The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:

View attachment 1367665

If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.
so basically have a high bigonal width and angularity ?
 
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wanttobeattractive said:
what causes wide recessed jaw with low gonial angle
Class 2. deep bites are usually the result of too much force on the back teeth resulting in a rotation and very strong ramus and masseter.

class 2 usually has a strong jaw while being recessed and a shorter lower third
 
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Class 2. deep bites are usually the result of too much force on the back teeth resulting in a rotation and very strong ramus and masseter.

class 2 usually has a strong jaw while being recessed and a shorter lower third
if you got jaw surgery to correct your recession would it make your jaw narrow or would you still have the width?
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.

View attachment 1367626


But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?

View attachment 1367631

This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:

View attachment 1367632

Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle

View attachment 1367640

A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:

View attachment 1367649

Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:
View attachment 1367656

However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:

View attachment 1367657


Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:

View attachment 1367661

This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)

View attachment 1367663

The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:

View attachment 1367665

If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.
What’s wrong with implants
 
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wanttobeattractive said:
if you got jaw surgery to correct your recession would it make your jaw narrow or would you still have the width?
I’m quite certain the width is not affected. If anything it gets wider.

I have a nother consultation in a few days with a blackpilled surgeon so I can ask. I have a mild class 2 so yeah.
 
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I’m quite certain the width is not affected. If anything it gets wider.

I have a nother consultation in a few days with a blackpilled surgeon so I can ask. I have a mild class 2 so yeah.
yeah that is lifefuel for people with class 2 and deep bites, tag me if you make a post about it
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.

View attachment 1367626


But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?

View attachment 1367631

This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:

View attachment 1367632

Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle

View attachment 1367640

A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:

View attachment 1367649

Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:
View attachment 1367656

However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:

View attachment 1367657


Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:

View attachment 1367661

This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)

View attachment 1367663

The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:

View attachment 1367665

If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.

Can someone explain to me how the ideal male jaw angle (according to this study) is 130° if 80% of male models considered the most attractive have a jaw angle between 110°-125° ???
 
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Class 2. deep bites are usually the result of too much force on the back teeth resulting in a rotation and very strong ramus and masseter.

class 2 usually has a strong jaw while being recessed and a shorter lower third
What should I do if I have a deep bite but high gonial angle
 
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Acromegaly_Chad said:
It's time to add another chapter of brutal blackpill to the jaw surgery database. This is all about jaw angles and jaw width.

The preferred jaw angle has these characteristics: 130° in face profile view, intergonial width similar to facial width, vertical position in frontal view at the oral commissure or at least not below the lower lip, jawline slope in the face frontal view nearly parallel to (with a maximum 15° downward deviation from) a line extending from the lateral canthus to the alare, ascending ramus slope 65°–75° to the Frankfort horizontal, and curvature in the oblique view visible from earlobe to chin and not pointy.

View attachment 1367626


But what if your jaw looks like the example on the left side and you aim for a look like on the right side ?

View attachment 1367631

This guy had fillers, but generally, after only after a few weeks, they start to migrate, dissolve and lose contour. Additionally, they are very prone to look unnatural:

View attachment 1367632

Just look at this after




It turns out that it's necessary to take a look at the underlying scelettal situation. What makes a jaw wide, angular and aesthetic from the front are mainly:
- Width and shape of the jaw angle i.e. shape and thickness of the posterior corpus mandibulae that connects to the ramus
- Position and size of the masseter muscle and the medial pterygoid muscle

View attachment 1367640

A narrow, unaesthetic jaw, with blunted, rounded jaw angles, which reeks of micrognathia and other illnesses is often the result of posterior mandibular hypoplasia that is expressed by a severe lack of posterior lateral growth of the corpus mandibulae, malplacement of the ramus or TMJ issues.
When we look at this example, we find relatively normal TMJ to dentoalveolar arch vectors which indicates that this patient has a narrow jaw due to posterior hypoplasia and not because of TMJ problems. This is the most common cause of a rounded jaw:

View attachment 1367649

Red line: The vector
Blue circle: Lack of bony mass

So lets talk about solutions. In my opinion, implants are unfavorable for young patients, silicone because of the infection and erosion risk, medpor because of tissue ingrowth, unsatisfactory ossification, titanium because it doesn't interact with the body AT ALL and can cool down dangerously in cold wheater and HA paste well because it usually looks like shit and has other issues. It's literally bone or death.

The patient above already got a chin wing which mainly increased mid mandibular width, but also some posterior width as shown below:
View attachment 1367656

However, unfortunately, the jaw angles tend to get lost during this procedure as shown below:

View attachment 1367657


Reconstruction and replacement of the jaw angles and masseter muscles is therefore needed as shown in this surgical simulation:

View attachment 1367661

This is the so called side wing. It should add anything between 8 - 14mm bigonial width, reshape and accentuate the jaw angles and reposition the masseter muscles.
However, in some cases this will not be enough, and in some cases an aggressive side wing might produce unfavorable outcomes. In that case, a BSSO can help (narrow jaws are almost always recessed so you'll need this anyways probably)

View attachment 1367663

The red circles show the consequence of ramus widening with a BSSO, around 4 - 6mm per side. Combined with a side wing it could add almost 25mm wigonial width.

There's a guy from jawsurgeryforums who had a chin wing and side wing, plus very little fillers done. This is his before and afters:

View attachment 1367665

If it hadn't been enough, he still could have gotten the BSSO.

To sum this up:

- A narrow jaw with inward tilted jaw angles is best fixed with a chin wing, side wing, BSSO and some fillers on top.
- Young people should stay away from implants.
- And additional information: IMDO doedn't accentuate the jaw angles, it just makes the whole jaw wider which is not desired.

Therefore the promoted approach is the ONLY approach that is LEGIT, and LONG TERM SAVE.
Will my bimax turn out good
 

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Will my bimax turn out good
What are other procedures involved here? Clearly not just bimax
 
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What are other procedures involved here? Clearly not just bimax

Bimax , genio, and ramus widening
 
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Titbot said:
What are other procedures involved here? Clearly not just bimax

Bimax , genio, and ramus widening
how is ramus widening done? they just tilt it outward and hold it in place with screws? do the gaps between the cut bones such as in the chin get filled in with bone growth over time?
 
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dakchuh said:
how is ramus widening done? they just tilt it outward and hold it in place with screws? do the gaps between the cut bones such as in the chin get filled in with bone growth over time?
They use bone chips to fill in the gap. So overtime it’s becomes pure bone. They torque the ramus outward
 
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Titbot said:
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Will my bimax turn out good
Wow, I remember thinking the guy in ur avi was ugly af when I first joined. but now I realize what a mogger he is. Who is he?
 
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basedfedoracel said:
Wow, I remember thinking the guy in ur avi was ugly af when I first joined. but now I realize what a mogger he is. Who is he?
Idk some Nordic tiktok Chad
 
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basedfedoracel said:
do u have the tiktok
No man I wish I knew who he was.
 
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Titbot said:
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Will my bimax turn out good
Which surgeon will do this surgery?
 
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Will my bimax turn out good
What's seen from the front is basically only the genioplasty. We need to see 3/4 and side profile.
 
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My gonial angle is 122 degrees, i think the ideal is 100-115.
 
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can't tell me this looks more natural than a balanced normal size implant, people just choose idiotic sizes
just cut your jaw in 20 pieces and remove a rib to get bone graft instead of a few basic screws and some silicone
 

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