Jaw Surgery w/ Dr. Ort (former Eppley/Yaremchuk patient)

[SurgeonsAreScammers]

Honestly maybe the single youngest 43 year old I’ve ever seen. Easily passable for 28.

 

[zemult]

the original nose was fucking awful lol. my surgeon said it was the most complex original rhinoplasty he'd done in five years because it was so goddamn big and hard to reduce the projection enough to look normal.

Jaw implants where def good for me, I wasn't really badly recessed and only had bimax for airway issues. but the original implant (Yaremchuk, not Eppley) was a little big. Looks more natural now

Yep nose work was necessary, Bimax alone would not have addressed that problem at all JFL. You definitely benefited from the Bimax but you did not need that much more projection to balance out that shitty nose. Would have turned into a dog-looking creature if you went that route

Yeah, you still look great now, especially for your age. Still a massive ascension from your original Post OP and you've beat aging. Just from what I remember your original results posted here looked like a stereotypical Chad-tier Jock looking jaw. But you would know more about your face than us, we just saw pictures that were probably cherrypicked. Definitely did mog hard though lol

 

[Win200]

Honestly maybe the single youngest 43 year old I’ve ever seen. Easily passable for 28.

thanks man, that's the goal

 

[Win200]

Yep nose work was necessary, Bimax alone would not have addressed that problem at all JFL. You definitely benefited from the Bimax but you did not need that much more projection to balance out that shitty nose. Would have turned into a dog-looking creature if you went that route

Yeah, you still look great now, especially for your age. Still a massive ascension from your original Post OP and you've beat aging. Just from what I remember your original results posted here looked like a stereotypical Chad-tier Jock looking jaw. But you would know more about your face than us, we just saw pictures that were probably cherrypicked. Definitely did mog hard though lol

yeah the chin in the prior implant was too big--see this pic from summer 2023 (before bimax). Too wide for my face and too blocky. I know people here like the chad jaw, but they look can look really artificial. guy i was dating when i got the bimax told me after that he always thought the jawline looked plastic and that i looked better after bimax (which seems crazy to me bc the bimax aesthetic outcome i thought looked like shit).

 

[LEFORT17]

yeah the chin in the prior implant was too big--see this pic from summer 2023 (before bimax). Too wide for my face and too blocky. I know people here like the chad jaw, but they look can look really artificial. guy i was dating when i got the bimax told me after that he always thought the jawline looked plastic and that i looked better after bimax (which seems crazy to me bc the bimax aesthetic outcome i thought looked like shit).

was the bimax insurance covered?

 

[don187]

Definitely descended

 

[LEFORT17]

Definitely descended

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[don187]

du sub3

Deine mama

 

[william.]

mirin

 

[LEFORT17]

Deine mama

dont talk don

 

[Win200]

was the bimax insurance covered?

nopeeeeee. that was a fun $40k to spend.

 

[key]

There is an emptiness to your stare that I've only ever seen in the faces of holocaust victims

 

[Nigga_slayer]

I had a pretty active thread here four years ago about some Eppley infraorbital implants: https://looksmax.org/threads/removing-eppley-cheek-implants.378955/.

Since then, I've had bimax with Sam Bobek for sleep apnea, which had a great functional outcome but a bad aesthetic one. (Not really his fault; he had to take out a Yaremchuk jaw implant from 2016, which caused a lot of neck jowling/sagging.)

Here's my full surgery rundown:

• 2011 - rhinoplasty and chin implant - Wayne Larrabee
• 2012 - hair transplant - Robert Niedbalski
• 2013 - revision rhinoplasty - Wayne Larrabee
• 2015 - hair transplant - H. Rahal
• 2016 - custom wraparound jaw implant - Michael Yaremchuk
• 2020 - custom infraorbital implants - Barry Eppley (tried to do a replacement jaw implant, but couldn't remove Yaremchuk implant due to bone overgrowth)
• 2021 - lid retraction repair/canthoplasty/ptosis repair - A.J. Amadi (mainly to correct lower lid retraction on right side caused by lower eyelid incisions to place infraorbitals)
• 2022 - revision to size down infraorbitals via hand-carving and re-placing - Barry Eppley
• 2024 - bimax + genio for sleep apnea -Sam Bobek (including removal of Yaremchuk jaw implant)
• 2024 - additional attempt at lower lid retraction repair on right side (removal of Eppley infraorbital on right side and replacement with hand-carved ePTFE implant to provide structural support for lower lid)
• 2025 - revision rhinoplasty - Aaron Kosins
• 2025 - reduction genioplasty, jaw shaving, custom jaw angle implants, neck lift - Yirae Ort

I'm 43. Ask constructive questions and I'll give constructive answers. Before and after pics are below; I'm only 14 days PO with Ort, so there's some swelling, especially on the jawline.

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What's the total cost for all of these

 

[Win200]

What's the total cost for all of these

No idea and would take forever to pull the costs and tally. Like $150-200, rough guesstimate. Spread out over 15 years, so earlier fees will be very inflated now due to normative inflation plus relative explosion of plastic surgery costs. Gotten much more popular since COVID.

 

[Realism]

No idea and would take forever to pull the costs and tally. Like $150-200, rough guesstimate. Spread out over 15 years, so earlier fees will be very inflated now due to normative inflation plus relative explosion of plastic surgery costs. Gotten much more popular since COVID.

Hey Win, cool to see u update.
Ur vid with Eppley is what inspired me to get jaw/infraorbitals with him as well, even though I took out the jaw implant later on.

What's your current skin care routine? Your skin looks amazing.

 

[Win200]

Hey Win, cool to see u update.
Ur vid with Eppley is what inspired me to get jaw/infraorbitals with him as well, even though I took out the jaw implant later on.

What's your current skin care routine? Your skin looks amazing.

Why did you end up removing the jaw implant?

Skincare is all Allies of Skin. Great brand.

 

[Realism]

Why did you end up removing the jaw implant?

Skincare is all Allies of Skin. Great brand.

It literally just made my face "bigger", I also realized I didn't need it at all. He also manually shave one side during surgery, when I got it out I got to keep it, and it has... no pointy edges lol.
It looked nothing like the mock ups he gave me, but again, I didn't need it, and was in a place where I wanted surgery just for the sake of getting surgery. Dangerous.

 

[Win200]

It literally just made my face "bigger", I also realized I didn't need it at all. He also manually shave one side during surgery, when I got it out I got to keep it, and it has... no pointy edges lol.
It looked nothing like the mock ups he gave me, but again, I didn't need it, and was in a place where I wanted surgery just for the sake of getting surgery. Dangerous.

Yeah, the "bigger face" thing is a real risk and it's why so many jaw implants look uncanny/fake. It volumetrically expands the size of your face. And I think Eppley's jaw implants don't look particularly good, on average. Yaremchuk was a POS but I do think his jaw implant results were better.

Trust me, I know what you mean by just craving a change in your appearance even if you don't really need one.

 

[Lookologist003]

personally think that getting bimax for purely aesthetic reasons is really insane

You weren't recessed by an amount that would make you think otherwise. You maybe were a little going by the baby pictures you shared.

This guy was. One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love
Draw a line of facial convexity if you must objectively compare. For some guys bimax is the difference between looking like a light bulb and a man.

Yes, it's expensive and risky. But going through life as an incel when modern science and surgery has offered you a way out is really insane. Remember, 80 of being an incel with no family of your own, that's brutal.

What are you going to tell an unlucky son who has the recession of the before picture, that it's insane to want a bimax and that he should keep getting rejected by young women who don't like the length of his personality? When your son grows, or if you have a son, this could be his jaw. There are incels of tomorrow, and attitudes like yours will become outdated.

(Okay, I get that you're gay. But imagine that this was your son. Wouldn't you want him to be experiencing love on top of being more respected? Young women are much harsher than gay men from what I've heard from an incel of years who with folly went to a gay bar and got hit on instantly.)

Oh, I read this again. I don't mean to come off as combative, I'm just passionate about this bullshit. You're like a fountain of knowledge on surgery and sharing your experiences is noble.

 

[Lookologist003]

I know people here like the chad jaw, but they look can look really artificial

With all facial expressions or just some. You're smiling in the picture.

 

[zemult]

You weren't recessed by an amount that would make you think otherwise. You maybe were a little going by the baby pictures you shared.

This guy was. One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love
Draw a line of facial convexity if you must objectively compare. For some guys bimax is the difference between looking like a light bulb and a man.

Yes, it's expensive and risky. But going through life as an incel when modern science and surgery has offered you a way out is really insane. Remember, 80 of being an incel with no family of your own, that's brutal.

What are you going to tell an unlucky son who has the recession of the before picture, that it's insane to want a bimax and that he should keep getting rejected by young women who don't like the length of his personality? When your son grows, or if you have a son, this could be his jaw. There are incels of tomorrow, and attitudes like yours will become outdated.

(Okay, I get that you're gay. But imagine that this was your son. Wouldn't you want him to be experiencing love on top of being more respected? Young women are much harsher than gay men from what I've heard from an incel of years who with folly went to a gay bar and got hit on instantly.)

Oh, I read this again. I don't mean to come off as combative, I'm just passionate about this bullshit. You're like a fountain of knowledge on surgery and sharing your experiences is noble.

Bimax is basically necessary if you have SFS or clear recession.

Otherwise you will never look good, no matter what else you do

 

[Win200]

You weren't recessed by an amount that would make you think otherwise. You maybe were a little going by the baby pictures you shared.

This guy was. One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love
Draw a line of facial convexity if you must objectively compare. For some guys bimax is the difference between looking like a light bulb and a man.

Yes, it's expensive and risky. But going through life as an incel when modern science and surgery has offered you a way out is really insane. Remember, 80 of being an incel with no family of your own, that's brutal.

What are you going to tell an unlucky son who has the recession of the before picture, that it's insane to want a bimax and that he should keep getting rejected by young women who don't like the length of his personality? When your son grows, or if you have a son, this could be his jaw. There are incels of tomorrow, and attitudes like yours will become outdated.

(Okay, I get that you're gay. But imagine that this was your son. Wouldn't you want him to be experiencing love on top of being more respected? Young women are much harsher than gay men from what I've heard from an incel of years who with folly went to a gay bar and got hit on instantly.)

Oh, I read this again. I don't mean to come off as combative, I'm just passionate about this bullshit. You're like a fountain of knowledge on surgery and sharing your experiences is noble.

I appreciate your post, but I have to say that the hyperbole really suggests an unhealthy fixation on surgery. This sentence is just not attached to reality:

"One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love."

The guy has a somewhat receded chin. The idea that a receded chin means that he's incapable of finding love and will die alone is really, really disconnected from reality. He actually looks like a pretty reasonably handsome guy with a weak chin. There are tons and tons and tons of attractive women with husband/boyfriends who are probably attractive than them, relatively, because the guys are personable, charming, funny, good listeners, etc. etc. etc.

I know you guys on here focus on maximizing your looks and that's great, me too. But the hyperbolic thought patterns that reinforce themselves in echo chambers like this are... not good.

And don't tell me I don't understand women. I slept with 30+ back in the day, including some pretty hot ones, and married a gorgeous woman with a great body. All before any surgery or a drop of filler or Botox.

 

[Win200]

With all facial expressions or just some. You're smiling in the picture.

Some more than others for sure. Smiling emphasizes the "plastic" qualities. But you want an implant that looks good with all facial expressions.

 

[clearness.]

His mandible is recessed not just his chin. Plus ones must focus on unhealthy fixation on surgery is an arbitrary and flaw statement in itself.

I appreciate your post, but I have to say that the hyperbole really suggests an . This sentence is just not attached to reality:

"One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love."

The guy has a somewhat receded chin. The idea that a receded chin means that he's incapable of finding love and will die alone is really, really disconnected from reality. He actually looks like a pretty reasonably handsome guy with a weak chin. There are tons and tons and tons of attractive women with husband/boyfriends who are probably attractive than them, relatively, because the guys are personable, charming, funny, good listeners, etc. etc. etc.

I know you guys on here focus on maximizing your looks and that's great, me too. But the hyperbolic thought patterns that reinforce themselves in echo chambers like this are... not good.

And don't tell me I don't understand women. I slept with 30+ back in the day, including some pretty hot ones, and married a gorgeous woman with a great body. All before any surgery or a drop of filler or Botox.

 

[monecel]

You weren't recessed by an amount that would make you think otherwise. You maybe were a little going by the baby pictures you shared.

This guy was. One bimax has lifted him from the pit of dying alone never having felt a woman's love
Draw a line of facial convexity if you must objectively compare. For some guys bimax is the difference between looking like a light bulb and a man.

Yes, it's expensive and risky. But going through life as an incel when modern science and surgery has offered you a way out is really insane. Remember, 80 of being an incel with no family of your own, that's brutal.

What are you going to tell an unlucky son who has the recession of the before picture, that it's insane to want a bimax and that he should keep getting rejected by young women who don't like the length of his personality? When your son grows, or if you have a son, this could be his jaw. There are incels of tomorrow, and attitudes like yours will become outdated.

(Okay, I get that you're gay. But imagine that this was your son. Wouldn't you want him to be experiencing love on top of being more respected? Young women are much harsher than gay men from what I've heard from an incel of years who with folly went to a gay bar and got hit on instantly.)

Oh, I read this again. I don't mean to come off as combative, I'm just passionate about this bullshit. You're like a fountain of knowledge on surgery and sharing your experiences is noble.

I think all he needed was a trimax & rhinoplasty

 

[Lookologist003]

There are tons and tons and tons of attractive women with husband/boyfriends who are probably attractive than them, relatively, because the guys are personable, charming, funny, good listeners, etc. etc. etc.

Yeah like I'm so sure there is. I should just go take a shower and somehow meet a woman who can overlook my 3/10 looks

I think all he needed was a trimax & rhinoplasty

Win didn't need anything. He was already having success in the 90s.

 

[bugeye]

Your eyes kinda look beady. Are you gonna do anything for that?