Just how bad is my eye area?

[Jestermaxxed10]

I inherited my dad’s psycho T50 eyes and my British mother’s general British ugliness, I can’t put my finger on exactly why my eye area is so bad. Can any of this be improved by Botox or fillers, or is surgery necessary?

 

[vermicel]

I can’t put my finger on exactly why my eye area is so bad. Can any of this be improved by Botox or fillers, or is surgery necessary?

Droopy lower eyelid. It messes with your eye aspect ratio.
Canthopexy can fix it.
Perhaps will you also benefit from a lower blepharoplasty, but the quality of your picture doesn't allow to ascertain it.
Latisse/bimatoprost should grow denser and longer eyelashes, which would soften your eyes.
Botox may be useful if your 11s/frown lines are quite pronounced and if you tend to frown a lot (as in this picture). It will relax the glabella and affect positively your eye area.
It'll probably take a combination of procedures & meds to achieve significant improvement.

Morph simulating roughly a canthopexy :

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

Droopy lower eyelid. It messes with your eye aspect ratio.
Canthopexy can fix it.
Perhaps will you also benefit from a lower blepharoplasty, but the quality of your picture doesn't allow to ascertain it.
Latisse/bimatoprost should grow denser and longer eyelashes, which would soften your eyes.
Botox may be useful if your 11s/frown lines are quite pronounced and if you tend to frown a lot (as in this picture). It will relax the glabella and affect positively your eye area.
It'll probably take a combination of procedures & meds to achieve significant improvement.

Morph simulating roughly a canthopexy :
View attachment 4887937

This is a slightly better picture, my eyelashes are already long but don’t photograph well. Lower bleph is something I’m considering because most of my male family members end up with a lot of under eye sagging with age

 

[connive]

pretty brutal icl

 

[Iblame2023]

IPD, Tilt, and too much a sclera show is what I see off rip

 

[tyler1234]

Look like Frank tufano

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

Look like Frank tufano

Fucking brutal

 

[vermicel]

pretty brutal icl

The ICD actually appears to be within ideal range (~1.0 ratio with the PFL).

IPD

Not sure about the IPD itself, but the ESR in the first pic is unideal indeed (0.43+ VS 0.45-0.47 ideal range). It can't be assessed in the second pic.

Tilt

His canthal tilt is within the ideal range (for both eyes). The droopy lower lid can trick our brain into thinking that the tilt is problematic, just like a negative hooding can create a similar visual impression.

too much a sclera show

Definitely too much scleral show in the second pic. Not so much in the first pic. I assumed a canthopexy could suffice, but it may be combined with a lower lid retraction repair (I could be wrong though).


@Jestermaxxed10 how far from the camera (or the mirror) were you in these pictures ? It's hard to give a secure assessment of your eye area due to potential lens distortion.
It would also help to see your cheekbones in the picture(s), as we could then measure your eye separation ratio (ESR).
At this point, I think a steady flaw is the eye aspect ratio or excessive roundness of the eye due to the droopy lower lid. There may be other issues as picked up by other comments, but a reliable picture would be required to establish a secure assessment.

Another morph simulating a canthopexy (+ lower lid retraction ?) :

In the before picture, your eye aspect ratio (palpebral fissure length : height) is 2.4-2.6 across both eyes.
In the after picture, it's approximately 2.8-3.0. Close to ideal, if not ideal for your left eye.

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

i stay 1 meter away from the camera to avoid distortion, the rest of my features are fairly saggy and my skin is ageing very badly so I’m wondering if that’s connected.

 

[dhusc]

View attachment 4887832I inherited my dad’s psycho T50 eyes and my British mother’s general British ugliness, I can’t put my finger on exactly why my eye area is so bad. Can any of this be improved by Botox or fillers, or is surgery necessary?

you are so fucked bro

 

[dhusc]

View attachment 4887832I inherited my dad’s psycho T50 eyes and my British mother’s general British ugliness, I can’t put my finger on exactly why my eye area is so bad. Can any of this be improved by Botox or fillers, or is surgery necessary?

The ICD actually appears to be within ideal range (~1.0 ratio with the PFL).

View attachment 4889057


Not sure about the IPD itself, but the ESR in the first pic is unideal indeed (0.43+ VS 0.45-0.47 ideal range). It can't be assessed in the second pic.


His canthal tilt is within the ideal range (for both eyes). The droopy lower lid can trick our brain into thinking that the tilt is problematic, just like a negative hooding can create a similar visual impression.

View attachment 4889157
View attachment 4889158



Definitely too much scleral show in the second pic. Not so much in the first pic. I assumed a canthopexy could suffice, but it may be combined with a lower lid retraction repair (I could be wrong though).


@Jestermaxxed10 how far from the camera (or the mirror) were you in these pictures ? It's hard to give a secure assessment of your eye area due to potential lens distortion.
It would also help to see your cheekbones in the picture(s), as we could then measure your eye separation ratio (ESR).
At this point, I think a steady flaw is the eye aspect ratio or excessive roundness of the eye due to the droopy lower lid. There may be other issues as picked up by other comments, but a reliable picture would be required to establish a secure assessment.

Another morph simulating a canthopexy (+ lower lid retraction ?) :
View attachment 4889238

In the before picture, your eye aspect ratio (palpebral fissure length : height) is 2.4-2.6 across both eyes.
In the after picture, it's approximately 2.8-3.0. Close to ideal, if not ideal for your left eye.

this dudes so high iq

 

[dhusc]

i stay 1 meter away from the camera to avoid distortion, the rest of my features are fairly saggy and my skin is ageing very badly so I’m wondering if that’s connected.

yeah your eye area is lowk mega nerf man

 

[Kyriae]

i stay 1 meter away from the camera to avoid distortion, the rest of my features are fairly saggy and my skin is ageing very badly so I’m wondering if that’s connected.

Oh that eye area is brutal.

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

yeah your eye area is lowk mega nerf man

Fixable at all or am I fucked? My main goal is to look more approachable instead of having resting rapist face

 

[vermicel]

the rest of my features are fairly saggy and my skin is ageing very badly so I’m wondering if that’s connected.

Mate, you're simply quite fat or you store more fat in the face (see facial fat pads) than the average person. It may be a combination of that and a lack of bone mass in some strategic areas.
Anyway, if you leaned out, the so-called sagginess would decrease. If leaning out naturally through a body recomp process proved not be enough, you could then resort to fat dissolvers (like Aqualyx) and buccal fat removal.
As for improving skin texture and firmness, look into chemical peelings and lasers. To be honest, it doesn't look bad in the front profile picture you have just provided.
If the sagginess persists after all that, you might consider adding artificial bone mass with implants (e.g. cheekbone/malar implant) and/or undergoing strategic lifts (e.g. midface lifting). But proceed in the right order : start off by getting leaner and doing professional skincare.

That said, based on that front profile picture : you're focused on your eyes when you have bigger (or equally big) fish to fry. Facial leanness is one of them. I could suggest a combination of alterations, mostly surgical in nature, that would ultimately lead to a significant general improvement. Let me know if you're interested to hear about it.

Ah, by the way : your ESR is indeed below the ideal range (0.45-0.47), at 0.44. It's not that bad. And I suspect it's due to an excess of fat. I photoshoped some fat loss, and the ESR went back up to 0.45, within ideal range.
I would therefore stick to my initial assessment that the main problem with your eye area is the droopy lower lid. Do a round of consultations with ophtalmologists / oculoplastic surgeons ; you'll most likely be recommended a canthopexy and maybe a lower lid retraction repair.
Eye colour is somewhat of an issue too. Laser depigmentation comes with its share of risks and problems ; if you want to alter your iris colour, coloured contacts may be a better choice.

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

Mate, you're simply quite fat or you store more fat in the face (see facial fat pads) than the average person. It may be a combination of that and a lack of bone mass in some strategic areas.
Anyway, if you leaned out, the so-called sagginess would decrease. If leaning out naturally through a body recomp process proved not be enough, you could then resort to fat dissolvers (like Aqualyx) and buccal fat removal.
As for improving skin texture and firmness, look into chemical peelings and lasers. To be honest, it doesn't look bad in the front profile picture you have just provided.
If the sagginess persists after all that, you might consider adding artificial bone mass with implants (e.g. cheekbone/malar implant) and/or undergoing strategic lifts (e.g. midface lifting). But proceed in the right order : start off by getting leaner and doing professional skincare.

That said, based on that front profile picture : you're focused on your eyes when you have bigger (or equally big) fish to fry. Facial leanness is one of them. I could suggest a combination of alterations, mostly surgical in nature, that would ultimately lead to a significant general improvement. Let me know if you're interested to hear about it.

Ah, by the way : your ESR is indeed below the ideal range (0.45-0.47), at 0.44. It's not that bad. And I suspect it's due to an excess of fat. I photoshoped some fat loss, and the ESR went back up to 0.45, within ideal range.
I would therefore stick to my initial assessment that the main problem with your eye area is the droopy lower lid. Do a round of consultations with ophtalmologists / oculoplastic surgeons ; you'll most likely be recommended a canthopexy and maybe a lower lid retraction repair.
Eye colour is somewhat of an issue too. Laser depigmentation comes with its share of risks and problems ; if you want to alter your iris colour, coloured contacts may be a better choice.

I’m already down 65lbs but just got genetically fucked with fat distribution. It’s possibly a problem with bloating because I for sure consume too much sodium

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

Mate, you're simply quite fat or you store more fat in the face (see facial fat pads) than the average person. It may be a combination of that and a lack of bone mass in some strategic areas.
Anyway, if you leaned out, the so-called sagginess would decrease. If leaning out naturally through a body recomp process proved not be enough, you could then resort to fat dissolvers (like Aqualyx) and buccal fat removal.
As for improving skin texture and firmness, look into chemical peelings and lasers. To be honest, it doesn't look bad in the front profile picture you have just provided.
If the sagginess persists after all that, you might consider adding artificial bone mass with implants (e.g. cheekbone/malar implant) and/or undergoing strategic lifts (e.g. midface lifting). But proceed in the right order : start off by getting leaner and doing professional skincare.

That said, based on that front profile picture : you're focused on your eyes when you have bigger (or equally big) fish to fry. Facial leanness is one of them. I could suggest a combination of alterations, mostly surgical in nature, that would ultimately lead to a significant general improvement. Let me know if you're interested to hear about it.

Ah, by the way : your ESR is indeed below the ideal range (0.45-0.47), at 0.44. It's not that bad. And I suspect it's due to an excess of fat. I photoshoped some fat loss, and the ESR went back up to 0.45, within ideal range.
I would therefore stick to my initial assessment that the main problem with your eye area is the droopy lower lid. Do a round of consultations with ophtalmologists / oculoplastic surgeons ; you'll most likely be recommended a canthopexy and maybe a lower lid retraction repair.
Eye colour is somewhat of an issue too. Laser depigmentation comes with its share of risks and problems ; if you want to alter your iris colour, coloured contacts may be a better choice.

I 100% need either dao Botox or a lip lift too. What else would you suggest?

 

[vermicel]

I’m already down 65lbs but just got genetically fucked with fat distribution. It’s possibly a problem with bloating because I for sure consume too much sodium

It won't hurt to try debloating, but it won't solve the problem either.
Overweight people tend to downplay the amount of fat they can actually shed. Good job for losing 65lbs, but you're not done yet.
When you reach your natural limit, if resilient facial fat is an issue, you will be able to target it with dissolvers/lipo/surgical removal.

I 100% need either dao Botox or a lip lift too. What else would you suggest?

You're coping with this botox fixation. Based on the pictures you have provided, it would only play a minor role in your looksmaxxing.

You don't need a lip lift. Your philtrum is already short proportionately to your chin height. And your upper lip is fine. The lower lip seems to be the issue here. But we'll get back to it later.

What do I suggest ?
A plan staging 3 to 4 separate surgical procedures.
A bit of botox.
And fat loss.

Let's go from top to bottom of your face.


UPPER THIRD

You've got nice hair. Dense, silky, flowy. But your forehead is too tall proportionately to your midface. Your midface is currently squished in between two large blocks (the upper and lower thirds). As a man, you don't want a shorter lower third, so the solution is to reduce your forehead on a vertical axis, and on a horizontal plane too (to a lesser extent). As you don't suffer from androgenetic alopecia, you are probably a suitable candidate for a hairline lowering surgery. Read this thread : https://looksmax.org/threads/forehead-reduction-surgery.1945011/
This will also reduce the current roundness of your face.

Your eyebrows have good length, density, and contrast. But their shape is rather feminine, i.e. a round arch instead of a straight line with a slight lateral peak. This issue is further emphasized by what looks like your default expression : frowning. Frowning gives you a low trust, disagreeable appearance. That's where botox comes into play ! It will relax the glabella and set your medial eyebrows a bit higher, thus forming a straighter line.

Morph simulating hair line lowering surgery + botox in the glabella :

MIDFACE

We have already discussed your eyes in detail earlier in this thread. I'll stick to my initial suggestion : canthopexy. And maybe a lower lid retraction repair as a complementary measure.

Your nose needs work. The bridge is a bit too thin, the tip is really too bulbous, and the alar base is a bit too wide (relatively to your inner canthal distance and mouth width). As a consequence, I believe you would benefit from a comprehensive rhinoplasty : cartilage graft to widen the bridge, tip reduction, and alar base reduction.

Fat loss will narrow your face and improve slightly your eye separation ratio and FWHR.

Morph simulating canthopexy + rhinoplasty + fat loss :

LOWER THIRD

This is the trickiest part to assess.

First, it's hard to accurately guess the bone structure underneath this thick layer of fat. You seem to have a strong chin and a decent mandible. But the morph below could get a few details wrong.

Then, there's visibly an issue with your mouth. My guess is that you have an underbite that causes the lower lip to protrude, and the commissure to curve downwards. Your upper lip's visibility is reduced as a consequence.
A side profile picture and ideally a CBCT scan would allow to refine the analysis.
You might need to address the issue with orthodontics, or a mix of orthodontics and orthognathics.
The dowturned commissure contributes to a low trust, disagreeable appearance. Fixing both the commissure and the frowning brow will make your face appear more trustworthy and agreeable (which seemed to be a concern of yours).

@yussimania what do you think ? Underbite or something else ?

Morph simulating fat loss + potential mouth-related procedure(s) :

Summary :
> hairline lowering surgery
> botox to defrown the brows
> canthopexy
> rhinoplasty
> potential orthodontic/orthognathic treatment
> fat loss

Morph :

As said in the introduction, 3 to 4 surgical procedures, a bit of botox, and fat loss, are in my opinion a clear pathway to ascension.



(don't forget to rep )

 

[justine]

It won't hurt to try debloating, but it won't solve the problem either.
Overweight people tend to downplay the amount of fat they can actually shed. Good job for losing 65lbs, but you're not done yet.
When you reach your natural limit, if resilient facial fat is an issue, you will be able to target it with dissolvers/lipo/surgical removal.


You're coping with this botox fixation. Based on the pictures you have provided, it would only play a minor role in your looksmaxxing.

You don't need a lip lift. Your philtrum is already short proportionately to your chin height. And your upper lip is fine. The lower lip seems to be the issue here. But we'll get back to it later.

What do I suggest ?
A plan staging 3 to 4 separate surgical procedures.
A bit of botox.
And fat loss.

Let's go from top to bottom of your face.


UPPER THIRD

View attachment 4896242

You've got nice hair. Dense, silky, flowy. But your forehead is too tall proportionately to your midface. Your midface is currently squished in between two large blocks (the upper and lower thirds). As a man, you don't want a shorter lower third, so the solution is to reduce your forehead on a vertical axis, and on a horizontal plane too (to a lesser extent). As you don't suffer from androgenetic alopecia, you are probably a suitable candidate for a hairline lowering surgery. Read this thread : https://looksmax.org/threads/forehead-reduction-surgery.1945011/
This will also reduce the current roundness of your face.

Your eyebrows have good length, density, and contrast. But their shape is rather feminine, i.e. a round arch instead of a straight line with a slight lateral peak. This issue is further emphasized by what looks like your default expression : frowning. Frowning gives you a low trust, disagreeable appearance. That's where botox comes into play ! It will relax the glabella and set your medial eyebrows a bit higher, thus forming a straighter line.

Morph simulating hair line lowering surgery + botox in the glabella :

View attachment 4896275


MIDFACE
View attachment 4896314

We have already discussed your eyes in detail earlier in this thread. I'll stick to my initial suggestion : canthopexy. And maybe a lower lid retraction repair as a complementary measure.

Your nose needs work. The bridge is a bit too thin, the tip is really too bulbous, and the alar base is a bit too wide (relatively to your inner canthal distance and mouth width). As a consequence, I believe you would benefit from a comprehensive rhinoplasty : cartilage graft to widen the bridge, tip reduction, and alar base reduction.

Fat loss will narrow your face and improve slightly your eye separation ratio and FWHR.

Morph simulating canthopexy + rhinoplasty + fat loss :
View attachment 4896332


LOWER THIRD
View attachment 4896392

This is the trickiest part to assess.

First, it's hard to accurately guess the bone structure underneath this thick layer of fat. You seem to have a strong chin and a decent mandible. But the morph below could get a few details wrong.

Then, there's visibly an issue with your mouth. My guess is that you have an underbite that causes the lower lip to protrude, and the commissure to curve downwards. Your upper lip's visibility is reduced as a consequence.
A side profile picture and ideally a CBCT scan would allow to refine the analysis.
You might need to address the issue with orthodontics, or a mix of orthodontics and orthognathics.
The dowturned commissure contributes to a low trust, disagreeable appearance. Fixing both the commissure and the frowning brow will make your face appear more trustworthy and agreeable (which seemed to be a concern of yours).

@yussimania what do you think ? Underbite or something else ?

Morph simulating fat loss + potential mouth-related procedure(s) :

View attachment 4896393


Summary :
> hairline lowering surgery
> botox to defrown the brows
> canthopexy
> rhinoplasty
> potential orthodontic/orthognathic treatment
> fat loss

Morph :

View attachment 4896396


As said in the introduction, 3 to 4 surgical procedures, a bit of botox, and fat loss, are in my opinion a clear pathway to ascension.



(don't forget to rep )

Bro give this man a solution for this hardwork

 

[yussimania]

It won't hurt to try debloating, but it won't solve the problem either.
Overweight people tend to downplay the amount of fat they can actually shed. Good job for losing 65lbs, but you're not done yet.
When you reach your natural limit, if resilient facial fat is an issue, you will be able to target it with dissolvers/lipo/surgical removal.


You're coping with this botox fixation. Based on the pictures you have provided, it would only play a minor role in your looksmaxxing.

You don't need a lip lift. Your philtrum is already short proportionately to your chin height. And your upper lip is fine. The lower lip seems to be the issue here. But we'll get back to it later.

What do I suggest ?
A plan staging 3 to 4 separate surgical procedures.
A bit of botox.
And fat loss.

Let's go from top to bottom of your face.


UPPER THIRD

View attachment 4896242

You've got nice hair. Dense, silky, flowy. But your forehead is too tall proportionately to your midface. Your midface is currently squished in between two large blocks (the upper and lower thirds). As a man, you don't want a shorter lower third, so the solution is to reduce your forehead on a vertical axis, and on a horizontal plane too (to a lesser extent). As you don't suffer from androgenetic alopecia, you are probably a suitable candidate for a hairline lowering surgery. Read this thread : https://looksmax.org/threads/forehead-reduction-surgery.1945011/
This will also reduce the current roundness of your face.

Your eyebrows have good length, density, and contrast. But their shape is rather feminine, i.e. a round arch instead of a straight line with a slight lateral peak. This issue is further emphasized by what looks like your default expression : frowning. Frowning gives you a low trust, disagreeable appearance. That's where botox comes into play ! It will relax the glabella and set your medial eyebrows a bit higher, thus forming a straighter line.

Morph simulating hair line lowering surgery + botox in the glabella :

View attachment 4896275


MIDFACE
View attachment 4896314

We have already discussed your eyes in detail earlier in this thread. I'll stick to my initial suggestion : canthopexy. And maybe a lower lid retraction repair as a complementary measure.

Your nose needs work. The bridge is a bit too thin, the tip is really too bulbous, and the alar base is a bit too wide (relatively to your inner canthal distance and mouth width). As a consequence, I believe you would benefit from a comprehensive rhinoplasty : cartilage graft to widen the bridge, tip reduction, and alar base reduction.

Fat loss will narrow your face and improve slightly your eye separation ratio and FWHR.

Morph simulating canthopexy + rhinoplasty + fat loss :
View attachment 4896332


LOWER THIRD
View attachment 4896392

This is the trickiest part to assess.

First, it's hard to accurately guess the bone structure underneath this thick layer of fat. You seem to have a strong chin and a decent mandible. But the morph below could get a few details wrong.

Then, there's visibly an issue with your mouth. My guess is that you have an underbite that causes the lower lip to protrude, and the commissure to curve downwards. Your upper lip's visibility is reduced as a consequence.
A side profile picture and ideally a CBCT scan would allow to refine the analysis.
You might need to address the issue with orthodontics, or a mix of orthodontics and orthognathics.
The dowturned commissure contributes to a low trust, disagreeable appearance. Fixing both the commissure and the frowning brow will make your face appear more trustworthy and agreeable (which seemed to be a concern of yours).

@yussimania what do you think ? Underbite or something else ?

Morph simulating fat loss + potential mouth-related procedure(s) :

View attachment 4896393


Summary :
> hairline lowering surgery
> botox to defrown the brows
> canthopexy
> rhinoplasty
> potential orthodontic/orthognathic treatment
> fat loss

Morph :

View attachment 4896396


As said in the introduction, 3 to 4 surgical procedures, a bit of botox, and fat loss, are in my opinion a clear pathway to ascension.



(don't forget to rep )

Ideally need a side profile or a scan to determine that

Mirin effort

 

[slixzn]

Just larp being blind and wear those sunglasses 24/7

 

[Jestermaxxed10]

It won't hurt to try debloating, but it won't solve the problem either.
Overweight people tend to downplay the amount of fat they can actually shed. Good job for losing 65lbs, but you're not done yet.
When you reach your natural limit, if resilient facial fat is an issue, you will be able to target it with dissolvers/lipo/surgical removal.


You're coping with this botox fixation. Based on the pictures you have provided, it would only play a minor role in your looksmaxxing.

You don't need a lip lift. Your philtrum is already short proportionately to your chin height. And your upper lip is fine. The lower lip seems to be the issue here. But we'll get back to it later.

What do I suggest ?
A plan staging 3 to 4 separate surgical procedures.
A bit of botox.
And fat loss.

Let's go from top to bottom of your face.


UPPER THIRD

View attachment 4896242

You've got nice hair. Dense, silky, flowy. But your forehead is too tall proportionately to your midface. Your midface is currently squished in between two large blocks (the upper and lower thirds). As a man, you don't want a shorter lower third, so the solution is to reduce your forehead on a vertical axis, and on a horizontal plane too (to a lesser extent). As you don't suffer from androgenetic alopecia, you are probably a suitable candidate for a hairline lowering surgery. Read this thread : https://looksmax.org/threads/forehead-reduction-surgery.1945011/
This will also reduce the current roundness of your face.

Your eyebrows have good length, density, and contrast. But their shape is rather feminine, i.e. a round arch instead of a straight line with a slight lateral peak. This issue is further emphasized by what looks like your default expression : frowning. Frowning gives you a low trust, disagreeable appearance. That's where botox comes into play ! It will relax the glabella and set your medial eyebrows a bit higher, thus forming a straighter line.

Morph simulating hair line lowering surgery + botox in the glabella :

View attachment 4896275


MIDFACE
View attachment 4896314

We have already discussed your eyes in detail earlier in this thread. I'll stick to my initial suggestion : canthopexy. And maybe a lower lid retraction repair as a complementary measure.

Your nose needs work. The bridge is a bit too thin, the tip is really too bulbous, and the alar base is a bit too wide (relatively to your inner canthal distance and mouth width). As a consequence, I believe you would benefit from a comprehensive rhinoplasty : cartilage graft to widen the bridge, tip reduction, and alar base reduction.

Fat loss will narrow your face and improve slightly your eye separation ratio and FWHR.

Morph simulating canthopexy + rhinoplasty + fat loss :
View attachment 4896332


LOWER THIRD
View attachment 4896392

This is the trickiest part to assess.

First, it's hard to accurately guess the bone structure underneath this thick layer of fat. You seem to have a strong chin and a decent mandible. But the morph below could get a few details wrong.

Then, there's visibly an issue with your mouth. My guess is that you have an underbite that causes the lower lip to protrude, and the commissure to curve downwards. Your upper lip's visibility is reduced as a consequence.
A side profile picture and ideally a CBCT scan would allow to refine the analysis.
You might need to address the issue with orthodontics, or a mix of orthodontics and orthognathics.
The dowturned commissure contributes to a low trust, disagreeable appearance. Fixing both the commissure and the frowning brow will make your face appear more trustworthy and agreeable (which seemed to be a concern of yours).

@yussimania what do you think ? Underbite or something else ?

Morph simulating fat loss + potential mouth-related procedure(s) :

View attachment 4896393


Summary :
> hairline lowering surgery
> botox to defrown the brows
> canthopexy
> rhinoplasty
> potential orthodontic/orthognathic treatment
> fat loss

Morph :

View attachment 4896396


As said in the introduction, 3 to 4 surgical procedures, a bit of botox, and fat loss, are in my opinion a clear pathway to ascension.



(don't forget to rep )

Thanks for all this advice, it’s a great analysis. I’ve been considering hairline lowering for a while and this is a sign to go through with it. I’m also thinking about Retatrutide. My side profile tends to be better, I don’t think I have an underbite otherwise my orthodontist would’ve probably noticed it. Then again the NHS in the UK is so piss poor that even if you’re so deformed you can’t breathe properly they still won’t do jaw surgery

Also ignore the fact I’ve got a random patch of facial hair missing, it’s slowly regrowing and it fell out due to autoimmune disease which may be contributing to bad skin texture too.