
SeriousAscension
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Yes sure.Can you show pics bro? he prolly thought you had a syndrome
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Yes sure.Can you show pics bro? he prolly thought you had a syndrome
exactly, he thought you had some real facial genetic malformationYes sure.
This could be also an option tho.I would opt for a lf1 with impaction and an obo
So this is not a long face syndrome when my maxilla is so much donwards grown that it leads to this gigantic negative MFRexactly, he thought you had some real facial genetic malformation
I'm definitely anxious about this. But I'm not aware about any other option that could work that is not invasive. Like OBO would also be an option tho but still really invasive.Arent you afraid of the risks and the aftermath of the operation? They cut ur whole face
OBO doesnt fix a long midface if ur eyes are fine but it fixes the midface ratio itself, which still doesnt mean anything cuz ur midface is still long in the eyes of others.I'm definitely anxious about this. But I'm not aware about any other option that could work that is not invasive. Like OBO would also be an option tho but still really invasive.
He probably thought you didn't know what you were talking about and meant a lf1. Any provider that would actually give you one is not a surgeon you want to be working with.Yes sure.
Also where did you get that it would shorten your midface?
All you'd be doing is moving the bones forward. But the soft tissue (your skin, nose, etc) stays the same. Just a bit more supported.
Can the MIdface be Shortened? - Plastic Surgeon | Dr. Barry L. Eppley, MD
There are no bone based procedures that will have a vertical shortening effect on the midface short of decreasing tooth show and upper lip length.www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com
"In short, there is no effective procedure for reducing the middle third of the face unlike the forehead and chin. No bone shortening procedure shortens the visible midface, it only affects the amount of upper tooth show."
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Lefort 3 patient
8cmOP how long is your nose in CM?
By CCW the entire maxilla and having multiple MSE's before a Lefort 3 CCW I would shorten the visible midface. My midface was short as a late teen. Length increased when I was older and also downwards movement. So I believe in my case to get CCW and thus solving the downwards direction of my maxilla this will shorten it as it was. I think also other benefits like rotated orbitols and checkbones are a good bonus.Also where did you get that it would shorten your midface?
All you'd be doing is moving the bones forward. But the soft tissue (your skin, nose, etc) stays the same. Just a bit more supported.
Can the MIdface be Shortened? - Plastic Surgeon | Dr. Barry L. Eppley, MD
There are no bone based procedures that will have a vertical shortening effect on the midface short of decreasing tooth show and upper lip length.www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com
"In short, there is no effective procedure for reducing the middle third of the face unlike the forehead and chin. No bone shortening procedure shortens the visible midface, it only affects the amount of upper tooth show."
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Lefort 3 patient
Sorry to burst your bubble bro but lf3 doesn’t shorten midfaceWill not change the midface ratio. In my case I really need to reduce the height because it is so damn much downwards grown.
A long midface ratio is a problem of IPD?Sorry to burst your bubble bro but lf3 doesn’t shorten midface
It can be a combination of things but yes IPD contributes. But Lefort will not make midface shorter unless you have a gummy smile and get impaction. And even then it is more-so the “illusion” of a shorter midface rather than your midface actually getting smaller in an absolute sense.A long midface ratio is a problem of IPD?
Then why was my midface ratio better and my maxilla appeared shorter when I didn't had so much downward growth?It can be a combination of things but yes IPD contributes. But Lefort will not make midface shorter unless you have a gummy smile and get impaction. And even then it is more-so the “illusion” of a shorter midface rather than your midface actually getting smaller in an absolute sense.
Even more brutal than low ipd I'd sayLong nose is low key one of the worst possible failos and unfixable (unless tip is droopy)
I agreeEven more brutal than low ipd I'd say
At least ipd is hypothetically fixable
No way dude. How are you measuring.
6.5cm. I measure now from the glabella to the lowest point of my nose. My nose is droopy.No way dude. How are you measuring.
How exactly then can I determine what the reason for my long midface is?It can be a combination of things but yes IPD contributes. But Lefort will not make midface shorter unless you have a gummy smile and get impaction. And even then it is more-so the “illusion” of a shorter midface rather than your midface actually getting smaller in an absolute sense.
Is soft tisse the main issue here?No you wouldn'tAny significant amount of any sort of MSE expansion makes you look like shit. And not only are you not getting Lefort 3 CCW, but even if you did it wouldn't shorten your midface.
Then what causes my long midface if it wouldn't be solved even by a lefort 3 CCW?No you wouldn'tAny significant amount of any sort of MSE expansion makes you look like shit. And not only are you not getting Lefort 3 CCW, but even if you did it wouldn't shorten your midface.
Genetic probably. But if ur downgrown from environmental factors then u can reduce itThen what causes my long midface if it wouldn't be solved even by a lefort 3 CCW?
If it is a narrow face then things like MSE without any donward movement would be a help? I know an ortho who claims to do MSE without any downward movement when using it with a type of facemask.You probs don't actually have a long midface, but it's other stuff causing it. Like a narrow face and weak lower third
So sad. Is this also the case with the FME (Facegenics Maxillary Expander)?Sadly no. I might make a thread about it but MSE expands your face unproportionally. The lower area expands a lot while the upper area barely moves. It's not a natural movement, hence why everyone who does it more than just a few milimiters looks weird after. That's true for any type of MSE or facemask, there are studies on it (by the top MSE orthos)
You probably just need normal bimax, to fix the lower third, and implants to accurately widen what needs to be widened
jfl at all the greycels falling for the lefort meme.Getting lefort 3 = Risk of bad side effects.
Not getting lefort 3 = Guarantee of looking ugly.
I would get lefort 3 if offered tbh.jfl at all the greycels falling for the lefort meme.
at least implants are reversible and a bit cheaper than lefort.I would get lefort 3 if offered tbh.
Monobloc advacement.Is Lefort 4 for the whole body?
Simple, perform lefort III osteotomies, take maxilla out entirely and throw it in the trash. print a smaller version of it in PEEK, screw it in and boom, you're set.Also where did you get that it would shorten your midface?
All you'd be doing is moving the bones forward. But the soft tissue (your skin, nose, etc) stays the same. Just a bit more supported.
Can the MIdface be Shortened? - Plastic Surgeon | Dr. Barry L. Eppley, MD
There are no bone based procedures that will have a vertical shortening effect on the midface short of decreasing tooth show and upper lip length.www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com
"In short, there is no effective procedure for reducing the middle third of the face unlike the forehead and chin. No bone shortening procedure shortens the visible midface, it only affects the amount of upper tooth show."
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Lefort 3 patient
Do facelifts fix the soft tissue issue here?Simple, perform lefort III osteotomies, take maxilla out entirely and throw it in the trash. print a smaller version of it in PEEK, screw it in and boom, you're set.
Anyway jokes aside, there are NO WAYS to reduce midface length surgically. Lefort I impaction doesn't produce this effect either.
You can only reduce the appearance of it through lip lift, rhino (shortening philtrum) or going for OBO to change the midface ratio (which would probably fuck up harmony entirely)
Gatekeep@temporomandibular32 leak or gatekeep?
Spot on.Gatekeep
Could you explain why?I would get lefort 3 if offered tbh.
Both works.Could you explain why?
Why would you pick LFiii over a combination of implants + lefort I
I mean, if the implants are well designed and match with your underlying bone structure, wouldn't that be the smarter option?
Is your maxilla actually down grown in a medical sense, or do you genetically just have a long midface? If it is number 2 then there really isn’t any surgery that will fix it. All you could do is surgeries that create the illusion of a shorter midface.How exactly then can I determine what the reason for my long midface is?
I think to appropriately distinguish what causes my long midface it is to review my growth phase, which in my case was mouthbreahting that caused my maxilla with time to become more and more downwards grown. And comparing this where my maxilla was more upwards and forwards, where my midface ratio was also much better back then. Overall, I think that in my case my long midface is partly related to the fact that I have a downwardly grown maxilla that was developed through mouthbreathing. Lefort 3 CCW would therefore fix that I think to counteract the downwards growth. Am I doing it wrong or what need I exactly do to evaluate the cause of my long midface?
Why are you even suggesting India? The standards are non-existentIn India you might find a surgeon who would do it. The price is also cheap there. good luck.
My maxilla is down grown in a medical sense. No I don't have a genetically long midface due to that my midface raio was better and my maxilla was more projected forward and upwards when I was younger. The midface ratio gradually got worse with age, so did my maxilla grew more and more downwards and recessed. At 17 my midface ratio was 0.95. I don't have a gummy smile.Is your maxilla actually down grown in a medical sense, or do you genetically just have a long midface? If it is number 2 then there really isn’t any surgery that will fix it. All you could do is surgeries that create the illusion of a shorter midface.
Do you have a gummy smile?
I really can’t know without pics bro. Pm if you wantMy maxilla is down grown in a medical sense. No i don't have a genetically long midface due to that my midface raio was better and my maxilla was more projected forward and upwards when I was younger. The midface ratio gradually got worse with age, so did my maxilla more and more down wards and recessed. At 17 my midface ratio was 0.95. I don't have a gummy smile.
@RecessedChinCel
I really appreciate your help but I don't wanna get doxxed later. I have basically what mike jew tells everyone has but a bit more. something like this sums it up: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...bp&s=7f652a983995afb9b73f9e57d9daba114f2aef3dI really can’t know without pics bro. Pm if you want
Ultimately we can’t really know without pics/scans so contact some surgeons and see what type of malocclusion you have exactly.I really appreciate your help but I don't wanna get doxxed later. I have basically what mike jew tells everyone has but a bit more. something like this sums it up: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://preview.redd.it/a5sj2mad2csa1.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7f652a983995afb9b73f9e57d9daba114f2aef3d
No I'm caucasian but it is something like that. I will may post scans and tag you.Ultimately we can’t really know without pics/scans so contact some surgeons and see what type of malocclusion you have exactly.
Are you asian?