Maxillary Skeletal Expander (MSE

[BastiHgh]

Why Mse is the Hardmaxxers endgame :

For those of us on the looksmaxxing journey, the holy grail has always been structural change. While softmaxxing gives temporary boosts and mewing lays a foundation, the Maxillary Skeletal Expander (MSE) a form of Micro-implant Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion (MARPE)—is one of the most powerfu non-surgical tools available for true skeletal remodeling of the midface.

This isn't just about crowded teeth; this is about optimizing the entire maxillary complex, which acts as the foundational support for the whole face. By using temporary anchorage devices (TADs) to apply force directly to the bone, MSE can split the fused midpalatal suture in adolescents and adults, widening the maxilla in a way that traditional tooth-borne expanders simply cannot


The Maxilla: The Anchor of Aesthetics
The maxilla (upper jawbone) is the single most important bone for forward facial growth and aesthetic appeal. A narrow maxilla—a common issue—is often associated with a retruded midface and poor facial support.
How MSE helps the Maxilla:
Transverse Expansion: MSE physically widens the maxilla. This movement is no skeletal. It increases the horizontal width of the upper jaw pulling the entire midface structure outwards.

A Fuller Smile: The expanded arch allows teeth to be properly aligned, eliminating a dark buccal corridor and resulting in a broad, aesthetic smile that displays more teeth

Expanding The whole jaw also results in a better Zygomatic and of course the Nasal Breathing!

Undereye Support: From Hollowing to Housing
Poor undereye support is a major aesthetic flaw often manifesting as dark circles hollows, and a negative vector. This is directly tied to the maxilla.
How MSE helps Undereye Support:
Orbital Rim & Infraorbital Support: The maxilla forms the floor and lower rim of the eye socket (orbit). When the maxilla is expanded and brought forward, it naturally pushes the floor of the orbit up and out.
Filling the Trough: This expansion can significantly improve the projection of the tissue beneath the eye effectively reducings the appearance of tear troughs and undereye hollowness. The bone is literally providing a sturdier base, creating a smoother transition from the lower eyelid to the cheek.

How MSE helps the Zygos:
Skeletal Complex Movement: The maxilla zygomatics bones, and temporals bones are all interconected. When the maxilla expands, the force transmission propagates through the bone structure.

This movement increases the width of the midface which of course results in wider Cheekbones

The Crucial Disclaimer: Function Over Aesthetics
Listen up. While the aesthetic benefits of a successful MSE procedure are undeniable and highly sought after in this community it is absolutely vital to understand this is a serious medical/orthodontic procedure.
It can also MESS Up your faces .
MSE is NOT a guaranteed aesthetic upgrade. It is an incredibly powerful tool



Do not chase MSE solely for looks without a functional diagnosis
I had Mse too (still have it and i think it did a great job)

 

[BastiHgh]

Ping my goats @IraniancelV2 @forwardridge

 

[Orka]

For those of us on the looksmaxxing journey, the holy grail has always been structural change. While softmaxxing gives temporary boosts and mewing lays a foundation, the Maxillary Skeletal Expander (MSE) a form of Micro-implant Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion (MARPE)—is one of the most powerfu non-surgical tools available for true skeletal remodeling of the midface.

Fucking idiot.

MSE Won't do shit for your facial aesthetics, not even gonna continue reading the rest of your shitty GPT-Made thread.

Calling an MSE "Hardmaxxing" is the funniest shit ever on top of this

 

[Debetro]

Fucking idiot.

MSE Won't do shit for your facial aesthetics, not even gonna continue reading the rest of your shitty GPT-Made thread.

Calling an MSE "Hardmaxxing" is the funniest shit ever on top of this

It actually makes looks worse.
@optimisticzoomer

 

[BastiHgh]

Fucking idiot.

MSE Won't do shit for your facial aesthetics, not even gonna continue reading the rest of your shitty GPT-Made thread.

Calling an MSE "Hardmaxxing" is the funniest shit ever on top of this

Retard

 

[BastiHgh]

It actually makes looks worse.
@optimisticzoomer

Read that shit i said that there

 

[Orka]

Retard

You are the lowest form of human on this planet. You make chatgpt guides (since you clearly don't understand chatgpt is biased) that don't even have proper backing or sourcing for any of the information in this thread.

You are likely a 14 year old tiktoker, who's attempting to "educate" people on a forum where the average person is 20x more intelligent than you'll ever be.

Scum.

 

[Orka]

Listen up. While the aesthetic benefits of a successful MSE procedure are undeniable and highly sought after in this community it is absolutely vital to understand this is a serious medical/orthodontic procedure.
It can also MESS Up your faces .
MSE is NOT a guaranteed aesthetic upgrade. It is an incredibly powerful tool

This nigga treating mse like it's fucking bimax

caging at this prepubescent mongoloid

 

[BastiHgh]

This nigga treating mse like it's fucking bimax

caging at this prepubescent mongoloid

Orka vs reading threads

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Fucking idiot.

MSE Won't do shit for your facial aesthetics, not even gonna continue reading the rest of your shitty GPT-Made thread.

Calling an MSE "Hardmaxxing" is the funniest shit ever on top of this

rare good take

 

[Orka]

Orka vs reading threads

Sure, let me go through why you're an idiot, since you're clearly mentally incapable.

You've- or should I say, chatgpt in this case, made several statements which literally make no sense, but because gpt is designed to be a yes-man to all your questions, you assumed it was right.

Expanding The whole jaw also results in a better Zygomatic and of course the Nasal Breathing!

Expanding the whole jaw DOES do this, the issue that you didn't consider is that an mse won't expand your upper jaw significantly! It only expands your palette by (if you're lucky) a few millimeters.

Orbital Rim & Infraorbital Support: The maxilla forms the floor and lower rim of the eye socket (orbit). When the maxilla is expanded and brought forward, it naturally pushes the floor of the orbit up and out.

After I read this I instantly realized you're subhumanly retarded, Yes if your maxilla is brought forward then it makes your infras less recessed, issue again, an mse or expander will not push your maxilla forward at all, that's because it's only functionality is to expand your palette to solve crowding, it would only push your maxilla forward if it was designed in a completely different way with aesthetic benefits in mind. Which it wasn't.

Skeletal Complex Movement: The maxilla zygomatics bones, and temporals bones are all interconected. When the maxilla expands, the force transmission propagates through the bone structure.

Another case of "well it does this, it must do a great job at it!", No, the effect it has on your palette is already minimal, you'd have to be borderline mentally disabled to think that you'll notice any difference in your zygo2zygo width.

A Fuller Smile: The expanded arch allows teeth to be properly aligned, eliminating a dark buccal corridor and resulting in a broad, aesthetic smile that displays more teeth

This is the only thing in this thread that you're correct about.

Ping my goats @IraniancelV2 @forwardridge

@IraniancelV2 I really hope you aren't supporting this retards ramblings, I know you as a very good user. I'd be sad.

rare good take

It actually makes looks worse.
@optimisticzoomer

I didn't address this point in my ramblings and won't.

 

[Orka]

Orka vs reading threads

Last seen 13 mins ago & no response btw

Hang yourself you worthless faggot

 

[BastiHgh]

Sure, let me go through why you're an idiot, since you're clearly mentally incapable.

You've- or should I say, chatgpt in this case, made several statements which literally make no sense, but because gpt is designed to be a yes-man to all your questions, you assumed it was right.


Expanding the whole jaw DOES do this, the issue that you didn't consider is that an mse won't expand your upper jaw significantly! It only expands your palette by (if you're lucky) a few millimeters.


After I read this I instantly realized you're subhumanly retarded, Yes if your maxilla is brought forward then it makes your infras less recessed, issue again, an mse or expander will not push your maxilla forward at all, that's because it's only functionality is to expand your palette to solve crowding, it would only push your maxilla forward if it was designed in a completely different way with aesthetic benefits in mind. Which it wasn't.


Another case of "well it does this, it must do a great job at it!", No, the effect it has on your palette is already minimal, you'd have to be borderline mentally disabled to think that you'll notice any difference in your zygo2zygo width.


This is the only thing in this thread that you're correct about.


@IraniancelV2 I really hope you aren't supporting this retards ramblings, I know you as a very good user. I'd be sad.





I didn't address this point in my ramblings and won't.

Didnt use chat gpt
But where did i mention that it would do a huge change i said at the bottom of my thread that it wont help for aesthititcs and i never said it would be a major difference

 

[Orka]

Didnt use chat gpt

Your vocabulary changed completely after you posted this thread for smaller responses, it doesn't take a genius to see that.

Although I don't know what's worse, using chatgpt to make threads, or genuinely believing anything written in this thread.

But where did i mention that it would do a huge change i said at the bottom of my thread that it wont help for aesthititcs and i never said it would be a major difference

Right

Why Mse is the Hardmaxxers endgame :

Here^.

Endgame implies its the final step / ultimate step. On top of this you claimed that there will be changed in infra, zygo & maxillary width, which would imply that the change is noticeable.

 

[BastiHgh]

Your vocabulary changed completely after you posted this thread for smaller responses, it doesn't take a genius to see that.

Although I don't know what's worse, using chatgpt to make threads, or genuinely believing anything written in this thread.


Right

Here^.

Endgame implies its the final step / ultimate step. On top of this you claimed that there will be changed in infra, zygo & maxillary width, which would imply that the change is noticeable.

i dindt use chat gpt use a ai detector

 

[Orka]

i dindt use chat gpt use a ai detector

So you've given up on the idea that you might be right, and accepted you're wrong.

AI Detectors aren't reliable in the slightest.

But even if you didn't use ai, that wouldn't make it better

 

[BastiHgh]

So you've given up on the idea that you might be right, and accepted you're wrong.

AI Detectors aren't reliable in the slightest.

But even if you didn't use ai, that wouldn't make it better

Ok ur right i did my Research and i was wrong

 

[Orka]

Ok ur right i did my Research and i was wrong

at least you're able to accept it

good job.

 

[BastiHgh]

at least you're able to accept it

good job.

My bad

 

[gigacumster3000]

so you want to expand your maxilla with an MSE? i can see why - a wider face structure usually = better looksmaxxing potential. but it's not some magic bullet

 

[BastiHgh]

so you want to expand your maxilla with an MSE? i can see why - a wider face structure usually = better looksmaxxing potential. but it's not some magic bullet

Yes i know i did mse and it worked out great

 

[MathIQ]

It actually makes looks worse.
@optimisticzoomer

because they usually do not pair it with head gear.

 

[truegreybris]

i can link

Sure, let me go through why you're an idiot, since you're clearly mentally incapable.

You've- or should I say, chatgpt in this case, made several statements which literally make no sense, but because gpt is designed to be a yes-man to all your questions, you assumed it was right.


Expanding the whole jaw DOES do this, the issue that you didn't consider is that an mse won't expand your upper jaw significantly! It only expands your palette by (if you're lucky) a few millimeters.


After I read this I instantly realized you're subhumanly retarded, Yes if your maxilla is brought forward then it makes your infras less recessed, issue again, an mse or expander will not push your maxilla forward at all, that's because it's only functionality is to expand your palette to solve crowding, it would only push your maxilla forward if it was designed in a completely different way with aesthetic benefits in mind. Which it wasn't.


Another case of "well it does this, it must do a great job at it!", No, the effect it has on your palette is already minimal, you'd have to be borderline mentally disabled to think that you'll notice any difference in your zygo2zygo width.


This is the only thing in this thread that you're correct about.


@IraniancelV2 I really hope you aren't supporting this retards ramblings, I know you as a very good user. I'd be sad.





I didn't address this point in my ramblings and won't.

the point about it causing no bizygomatic width increase is false, if you want to i can link a study but it’s easy to find, from what i recall 6mm of expansion based on amount of turns showed abt 2.6mm of zygo2zygo increase which can be noticable

 

[L-MTNgymcell]

at least you're able to accept it

good job.

@Orka u seem like u rotted enough here, i have come to the fact that people writing threads has become a hobby for some incels on here, so basically most is cope even botb, whats ur take on this.

 

[Orka]

@Orka u seem like u rotted enough here, i have come to the fact that people writing threads has become a hobby for some incels on here, so basically most is cope even botb, whats ur take on this.

it has become a hobby yes, its also a great way of learning.

It's even my hobby

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators; How to tell if you’re still growing.

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators By @Orka I've seen at least 50 questions asking if somebody's growth plates are still open or not, or to estimate their bone age,so to make it easy, here's how you can answer your own questions! Table Of Contents (easiest...

looksmax.org

but yes a majority of guides are useless water information, botb is different though and theres many useful threads there, but some useless ones aswell i suppose

i can link

the point about it causing no bizygomatic width increase is false, if you want to i can link a study but it’s easy to find, from what i recall 6mm of expansion based on amount of turns showed abt 2.6mm of zygo2zygo increase which can be noticable

i'd appreciate the link to that study

 

[Deleted member 99272]

it has become a hobby yes, its also a great way of learning.

It's even my hobby

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators; How to tell if you’re still growing.

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators By @Orka I've seen at least 50 questions asking if somebody's growth plates are still open or not, or to estimate their bone age,so to make it easy, here's how you can answer your own questions! Table Of Contents (easiest...

looksmax.org

but yes a majority of guides are useless water information, botb is different though and theres many useful threads there, but some useless ones aswell i suppose

i'd appreciate the link to that study

bros back

 

[truegreybris]

it has become a hobby yes, its also a great way of learning.

It's even my hobby

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators; How to tell if you’re still growing.

The Radiology behind Facial Development & Bodily Growth Indicators By @Orka I've seen at least 50 questions asking if somebody's growth plates are still open or not, or to estimate their bone age,so to make it easy, here's how you can answer your own questions! Table Of Contents (easiest...

looksmax.org

but yes a majority of guides are useless water information, botb is different though and theres many useful threads there, but some useless ones aswell i suppose

i'd appreciate the link to that study

here is a link to one of them

Midfacial changes in the coronal plane induced by microimplant-supported skeletal expander, studied with cone-beam computed tomography images

Our objectives were to evaluate midfacial skeletal changes in the coronal plane and the implications of circummaxillary sutures and to localize the ce…

www.sciencedirect.com

i can find you more if i must