Medial Canthus

[MisterMercedes]

Downturned medial can thus is not a masculine trait or necessary for guys to have. It is a feminine dimorphic trait.

Women have lower nasal bridges/glabellas, meaning their frontal process of maxilla is lower and thus medial can thus is. A sharper or more squared infra orbital rim is a feminine dimorphic trait, and that is caused by a lower frontal process (medial can thus) in relation to zygomatic process (lateral canthus). In other words, higher degrees of PCT is feminine, not masculine.

As you can see, the males, on average, have more rounded infraobrital rims due to higher nasal bridges and glabellas, while the females have sharper ones. This results in male having more neutral canthal tilt , while females have more positive canthal tilt.

In real life:

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Low medial can thus is also a neotonous trait as babies have lower nasal bridges and glabellas:

Study that confirms the feminine dimorphism of a downturned medial can thus:

Is medial canthal tilt a powerful cue for facial attractiveness? - PubMed

Medial canthal tilt appears to be a powerful cue used in judging human female facial attractiveness. Its power may be due to its relation to the neotenic and sexually dimorphic cue of palpebral fissure inclination.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Facial feminization experts that talk about low or downturned medial can thus being a feminine trait:

Eye-Feminisation Surgery: What Is the Canthal Tilt?

www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk

 

[Mongrelcel]

How are you gonna make a thread about medial canthus without mentioning the medial canthus king

 

[StrangerDanger]

Masculine PCT vs Feminine PCT {INFO}

Canthal Tilt- the angle between the medial canthus and the lateral canthus 3 Categories of Canthal Tilt ***This thread will be discussing the 2 types of "Positive" Canthal Tilt: Masculine PCT and Feminine PCT*** Masculine PCT - Men have a neutral lateral canthus with a long, defined...

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Does it not refute this?

 

[oatmeal]

@TheEndHasNoEnd time 4 me 2 rope

 

[MisterMercedes]

How are you gonna make a thread about medial canthus without mentioning the medial canthus king
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Others:

 

[Deleted member 6785]

How are you gonna make a thread about medial canthus without mentioning the medial canthus king
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his is really good but it's too alien and doesn't have enough angularity

david gandy/atesh salih has ideal medial canthus

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Muhh feminine muhhh

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

@TheEndHasNoEnd time 4 me 2 rope

Me too ig

 

[MisterMercedes]

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Masculine PCT vs Feminine PCT {INFO}

Canthal Tilt- the angle between the medial canthus and the lateral canthus 3 Categories of Canthal Tilt ***This thread will be discussing the 2 types of "Positive" Canthal Tilt: Masculine PCT and Feminine PCT*** Masculine PCT - Men have a neutral lateral canthus with a long, defined...

looksmax.org

Does it not refute this?

If he can find sources to support that, I’m open to reading. So far there’s already lots of problems and pseudoscience in that post, such as a “long medial can thus being masculine”. No such thing as a long or short medial canthus. Any perceived difference in length is due to squinting, makeup, etc.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Muhh feminine muhhh
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Finding someone whose face is almost entirely masculine except for one trait to prove that said trait is masculine is lazy.

Are you going to argue high set brows are masculine because Momoa has them?

 

[PetitusMeatus2]

too much gives the gay alien look tbh

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Finding someone whose face is almost entirely masculine except for one trait to prove that said trait is masculine is lazy.

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Are you going to argue high set brows are masculine because Momoa has them?

Do you realize that medial canthus is skin tissue related? Also his aren't high set at all, they're very low set, but also positively tilted

 

[MisterMercedes]

Not using this as my main support, but even portraits/prototypes of attractive males or females highlight this difference in canthal tilt:

 

[MisterMercedes]

Do you realize that medial canthus is skin tissue related? Also his aren't high set at all, they're very low set, but also positively tilted

You can’t have low set brows and his degree of positive tilt. That’s why neutrally tilted eyebrows are masculine and positive or arched are feminine:

Don’t know what you mean by “skin tissue related”. If you’re implying medial can thus position isn’t determined by bone structure, I highly recommend you research more on periorbital anatomy. Both canthi are connected to ligaments, which are in turn connected to bone processes. Medial palpebral ligament is attached to frontal process of maxilla, lateral palpebral ligament is attached to frontal process of zygomatic.

Eyebrows, Eyelids, and Face: Structure and Function

Eyebrows, Eyelids, and Face: Structure and Function Weerawan Chokthaweesak Christine C. Annunziata Bobby S. Korn Don O. Kikkawa Eyebrows and Forehead Structure The eyebrows form a critical landmark…

entokey.com

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Masculine Features have nothing to do with beauty unlike Feminine Features which are just there to attract

 

[MisterMercedes]

If you need me to draw it out for you:

Chico, who many say has medium or highish set eyebrows:

Momoa’s:

O’ Pry’s:

Please don’t try to argue Momoa has low set brows.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Masculine Features have nothing to do with beauty unlike Feminine Features which are just there to attract

Dimorphism is attractive in both genders, within reason. Balance of dimorphism and aesthetics is necessary for highest appeal.

 

[Deleted member 6475]

Reminder OP has the medial canthus of a female toddler

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Downturned medial can thus is not a masculine trait or necessary for guys to have. It is a feminine dimorphic trait.

if it was a purely feminine trait then it wouldnt be any more attractive on guys, yet clearly it is. pct is first and foremost a sign of health.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

You can’t have low set brows and his degree of positive tilt

Men have their inner corner eyebrows closer to the eyes, this part is bone related
Mamoa has that but also his eyebrow follicles are positioned to a positive tilt

That’s why neutrally tilted eyebrows are masculine and positive or arched are feminine

It's true, but, the type of eyebrows that mamoa has (low set inner corners, and rest positively tilted) is ideal because it's the most low trustworthy, which is arguably more important than masculinity

Don’t know what you mean by “skin tissue related”. If you’re implying medial can this position isn’t determined by bone structure, I highly recommend you research more on periorbital anatomy.

Isn't it rather the lateral canthus that is positioned by bone? The actual shape of the medial canthus is completely skin tissue and tendons. An example of this is andreas eriksen, where his medial canthal shape is extremely downturned but his lateral canthi are in a neutral tilt

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Dimorphism is attractive in both genders, within reason. Balance of dimorphism and aesthetics is necessary for highest appeal.

For men only am extremely feminine faced women will look good but an extremely masculine face won’t look as good

 

[datboijj]

 

[Deleted member 6475]

Reminder OP has the medial canthus of a female toddler

 

[MisterMercedes]

if it was a purely feminine trait then it wouldnt be any more attractive on guys, yet clearly it is. pct is first and foremost a sign of health.

Saying a trait is not feminine because some attractive guys have it is pretty weak. Refer to my point about Momoa.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Saying a trait is not feminine because some attractive guys have it is pretty weak. Refer to my point about Momoa.

all i'm saying is that i think it's more a sing of health than of femininity. that is not to say that it isn't a more feminine than masculine feature, i'd agree with you there. though it certainly increases one's attractiveness substantially in both genders.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Men have their inner corner eyebrows closer to the eyes, this part is bone related
Mamoa has that but also his eyebrow follicles are positioned to a positive tilt

It's true, but, the type of eyebrows that mamoa has (low set inner corners, and rest positively tilted) is ideal because it's the most low trustworthy, which is arguably more important than masculinity

Isn't it rather the lateral canthus that is positioned by bone? The actual shape of the medial canthus is completely skin tissue and tendons. An example of this is andreas eriksen, where his medial canthal shape is extremely downturned but his lateral canthi are in a neutral tilt
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“Men have their inner corner eyebrows closer to the eyes, this part is bone related”
Possibly, but that’s due to density or amount of follicles, not the position of the glabella. If we were purely going of position of glabella and not eyebrow density, males would have higher inner eyebrows, females would have lower, on average.

Not going to argue Momoa looks trust. He obviously does, and Down turned inner eyebrow may be low trust (I think flat brows also look low trust, thick, dense, and dark eyebrows in general look low trust).

Neutrally tilted lateral can thus? What?

Eriksen has very high PCT (feminine) due to high set zygomatic and thus lateral can thus (masculine) but low nasal bridge and thus medial can thus (feminine). Downturned or “sharp” medial can thus is just high PCT to the extreme, which is determined by the attachment of the palprebral ligaments, which is determined by the position of their corresponding bone attachments.

 

[MisterMercedes]

all i'm saying is that i think it's more a sing of health than of femininity. that is not to say that it isn't a more feminine than masculine feature, i'd agree with you there. though it certainly increases one's attractiveness substantially in both genders.

Don’t think so. Better to have a high medial can thus than low if you’re a male, vice verse if you’re a female. No evidence that a low or downturned medial can thus is a sign of health, plenty of evidence that it is a feminine dimorphic trait.

 

[MisterMercedes]

For men only am extremely feminine faced women will look good but an extremely masculine face won’t look as good

Hyper masculine faces have lots of appeal:

I would again say a balance of dimorphism and aesthetics is necessary for highest appeal. The above guys have hyper masculine bone structure and skin tone but ideal/close to ideal aesthetic proportions.

 

[Merćer]

Sharp,downturned Medial Canthus is a striking feature, a must have in both genders. Great if you have them. As long your MC is not bad (average) it isnt a necessity. Concerning attractiveness medial canthus is one of the few features that makes a face striking, standout above others.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Sharp,downturned Medial Canthus is a striking feature, a must have in both genders. Great if you have them. As long your MC is not bad (average) it isnt a necessity. Concerning attractiveness medial canthus is one of the few features that makes a face striking, standout above others.

May be striking but I don’t think striking always means attractive, and certainly not dimorphic. Barrett has a very striking face but the things that make his face striking are also the things that make him have low sex appeal.

It’s definitely not a must have. Vast majority of attractive guys don’t have it.

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Hyper masculine faces have lots of appeal:

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I would again say a balance of dimorphism and aesthetics is necessary for highest appeal. The above guys have hyper masculine bone structure and skin tone but ideal/close to ideal aesthetic proportions.

Those are maesthetic ur retard not hyper masculine

 

[MisterMercedes]

Those are maesthetic ur retard not hyper masculine

Not going to get in a debate about what terms like “maesthetic” mean. Momoa and Holloway have hyper masculine bone structure and skin tone + ideal proportions. I sent them in response to your comment that masculinity has “nothing to do with beauty”.

 

[Merćer]

May be striking but I don’t think striking always means attractive, and certainly not dimorphic. Barrett has a very striking face but the things that make his face striking are also the things that make him have low sex appeal.

It’s definitely not a must have. Vast majority of attractive guys don’t have it.

Lets say a sharp, downturned MC are more frequent in females than in males, thats what makes that certain feature attractive because girls are hardwired narcy. They love seeing feminine features in others especially in a man's face because they are familiar with it, it mirrors a female trait, and since they love themselves, they have a high narcissist levels compare to men, it actually helps to attract the opposite gender, than repel them, because of the bias circulate in this community "Masculine Features" only. "Pretty boys" are worshipped like a god, e.g prime justin beiber, because he mirror some feminine traits without overshadowing his masculinity.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Lets say a sharp, downturned MC are more frequent in females than males, thats what makes that certain feature attractive because girls are hardwired narcy. They love seeing feminine features in others especially in a man's face because they are familiar with it, it mirrors a female trait, and since they love themselves, they have a high narcissist levels compare to men, it actually helps to attract the opposite gender, than repel them, because of the bias circulate in this community "Masculine Features" only. "Pretty boys" are worshipped like a god, e.g prime justin beiber, because he mirror some feminine traits without overshadowing his masculinity.

Think Bieber is mostly attractive because of fame. Not saying feminine traits can’t be attractive or pretty boy appeal doesn’t exist, but taking each trait in isolation, ideal is dimorphic (masculine for males, feminine for females). I wouldn’t say thin eyebrows, prominent malar fat, or narrow chin is ideal for males simply because it “mirrors” typical female faces.

 

[Merćer]

I wouldn’t say thin eyebrows, prominent malar fat, or narrow chin is ideal for males simply because it “mirrors” typical female faces.

That is why i said without "overshadowing masculine features". Jordan barrett have a low SMV because he have femine features that overshadow his masculines. Prime Delon have femme fetures but it never step over his manly ones. Zayn have some feminine features, Prime Pattinson have some too.

 

[MisterMercedes]

That is why i said without "overshadowing masculine features". Jordan barrett have a low SMV because he have femine features that overshadow his masculines. Prime Delon have femme fetures but it never step over his manly ones. Zayn have some feminine features, Prime Pattinson have some too.

Agreed.

 

[Phillybeard1996]

That is why i said without "overshadowing masculine features". Jordan barrett have a low SMV because he have femine features that overshadow his masculines. Prime Delon have femme fetures but it never step over his manly ones. Zayn have some feminine features, Prime Pattinson have some too.

I think fem lips and eye area is good but fem skull and bone structure is not the best

 

[MisterMercedes]

That is why i said without "overshadowing masculine features". Jordan barrett have a low SMV because he have femine features that overshadow his masculines. Prime Delon have femme fetures but it never step over his manly ones. Zayn have some feminine features, Prime Pattinson have some too.

I’d say if you’re going for a downturned medial can thus to a achieve a feminine or pretty boy eye area look, it shouldn’t be extreme like Eriksen’s or Salih’s. Basso’s is as extreme as you can before you start to look uncanny/far from the average:

 

[MisterMercedes]

That is why i said without "overshadowing masculine features". Jordan barrett have a low SMV because he have femine features that overshadow his masculines. Prime Delon have femme fetures but it never step over his manly ones. Zayn have some feminine features, Prime Pattinson have some too.

However, I still don’t see your reason for thinking a downturned medial can this is ideal for guys because it’s feminine, but don’t think the other traits I mentioned (narrow chin, thin eyebrows, prominent malar fat pad) are on the grounds that they “overshadow masculinity”. Why do these feminine traits override masculinity whereas low medial can thus doesn’t?

If you’re arguing that a masculine face with some feminine features is ideal, I am inclined to agree. I think guys like Pitt, Depp, Delon, etc. have more appeal than hyper masculine guys like Momoa or Holloway.

That still doesn’t change that, when talking about features in isolation, ideal is dimorphism. I wouldn’t say a narrow chin is ideal or a “must have” for guys even though lots of attractive guys have it. I would still say it’s a failo in general.

 

[MisterMercedes]

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[Phillybeard1996]

However, I still don’t see your reason for thinking a downturned medial can this is ideal for guys because it’s feminine, but don’t think the other traits I mentioned (narrow chin, thin eyebrows, prominent malar fat pad) are on the grounds that they “overshadow masculinity”. Why do these feminine traits override masculinity whereas low medial can thus doesn’t?

If you’re arguing that a masculine face with some feminine features is ideal, I am inclined to agree. I think guys like Pitt, Depp, Delon, etc. have more appeal than hyper masculine guys like Momoa or Holloway.

That still doesn’t change that, when talking about features in isolation, ideal is dimorphism. I wouldn’t say a narrow chin is ideal or a “must have” for guys even though lots of attractive guys have it. I would still say it’s a failo in general.

Would you say fof males the ideal lips should be thick and full?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Would you say fof males the ideal lips should be thick and full?

Depends what you mean by that, but yes, research shows women have a strong preference for full lips.

It is a feminine trait but it’s also a sign of good health and blood flow. Also larger lips means more nerve endings on vermilion, which means more feeling in the lips, so obviously a suggestive trait.

I think it’s less important for guys to have them than women though.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

I’d say if you’re going for a downturned medial can thus to a achieve a feminine or pretty boy eye area look, it shouldn’t be extreme like Eriksen’s or Salih’s. Basso’s is as extreme as you can before you start to look uncanny/far from the average:

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Basso has feline eyes

 

[sadcellife]

If he can find sources to support that, I’m open to reading. So far there’s already lots of problems and pseudoscience in that post, such as a “long medial can thus being masculine”. No such thing as a long or short medial canthus. Any perceived difference in length is due to squinting, makeup, etc.

i agree why do ppl keep saying you need a long medial canthus if there’s no such thing? downturned maybe but long no

 

[MisterMercedes]

i agree why do ppl keep saying you need a long medial canthus if there’s no such thing? downturned maybe but long no

Because they are not informed on facial anatomy and/or think edited/squintfrauded modeling pictures are representative of real life appearance.