Misconceptions about wide hips [+ Hips Thread Part 2]

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Clavicle lengthening is barely perceptible because of the rounding it causes through rotation, and there's a total of 2 somewhat trustworthy surgeons that perform it.

Meanwhile roiding has been studied and done for decades.

It's insane how much wider the shoulders appear when delts and lats are properly trained, especially with roids.

 

[potentialzaddy]

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what kind of hipcel am I?

i think both

a sexy one

 

[HorribleTeeth]

What kind of hipcel am I ?

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Am i a hipcel?

Type 2 like Gandy below

No such thing as a hipcel. It's all about shoulder-waist-hips ratio. You can have a female hourglass waist-hips shape and still be saved by wide shoulders & chest.

This subject is about overall dogshit subhuman framecels really.

Cope, Gandy roided and still is a hipcel

 

[Max Frauder]

Type 2 like Gandy below

Cope, Gandy roided and still is a hipcel

lol how is it a cope? Gandy naturally has shit narrow shouders & chest. You're proving my point.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

lol how is it a cope? Gandy naturally has shit narrow shouders & chest. You're proving my point.

Because there have been hipcels that fixed their body with roiding and working out like in the OP and others like Gandy that didn't.

How narrow your shoulders are isn't the only factor.

Even if Gandy did clavicle lengthening he would still have shit hips with roids because his waist is narrow compared to his bifemoral head distance.

 

[Deleted member 22120]

@Hipcel
Can You pm me? Want to see if i am one as well

 

[soulseekingbeast69]

Type 2 like Gandy below

Cope, Gandy roided and still is a hipcel

still probably mog yours. you must be blind to say that my frame looks like gandy.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

still probably mog yours. you must be blind to say that my frame looks like gandy.

No because my shoulder to waist ratio is way better than yours. You have dogshit hips and are ethnic as well.

Me and Gandy are whites. It's over for you.

 

[soulseekingbeast69]

No because my shoulder to waist ratio is way better than yours. You have dogshit hips and are ethnic as well.

Me and Gandy are whites. It's over for you.

and your name is hipcel?? your frame is probably worse than gandy. yes, im not white. but you still get mogged by an ethnic like me. i probably rope if i were u.

 

[Sanguinius]

Legit interested thread, I’ve never looked into hips in depth

 

[AlexBrown84]

am i hipcel

 

[AlexBrown84]

 

[Max Frauder]

Because there have been hipcels that fixed their body with roiding and working out like in the OP and others like Gandy that didn't.

How narrow your shoulders are isn't the only factor.

Even if Gandy did clavicle lengthening he would still have shit hips with roids because his waist is narrow compared to his bifemoral head distance.

You just proved my point again!

Anyways, I'm starting to suspect the Hip Abduction machine is turning me into a fucking hipcel;

I'm gonna hit the obliques instead. But that may start turning me column-shaped (boring!).

I think one other drawback with hipceldom is hipcels tend to walk like women/homosexuals.

 

[Marsik]

am i hipcel
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yes but it's not too bad

 

[Deleted member 18849]

You just proved my point again!

No I didn't. Learn to read lmao

 

[Deleted member 18849]

and your name is hipcel?? your frame is probably worse than gandy. yes, im not white. but you still get mogged by an ethnic like me. i probably rope if i were u.

Because of my name that means my hips are worse than you?

Being an ethnic in itself is a worse failo than hips. Imagine if Gandy was an ethnic-cel.
Now imagine if he was a hipcel. Oh wait he is. And is a model.

If he was ethnic he wouldn't have made it.

You have both. Ethnic-celdom and hipceldom. It's over.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

am i hipcel
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Probably a type 2 like Gandy.

Quite a lot of black people are

 

[Deleted member 23778]

White boy problems tbh

 

[Deleted member 18849]

White boy problems tbh

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Pretty weak example

 

[AlexBrown84]

Probably a type 2 like Gandy.

Quite a lot of black people are

is that bad

 

[soulseekingbeast69]

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your frame looks decent. Probably average hips. hips may look wide due to camera angle. dont listen to that hipcel retard. according to him, everyone is a hipcel.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

is that bad

No. You have good muscle building genetics so not noticeable.

dont listen to that hipcel retard. according to him, everyone is a hipcel.

Shut up.

 

[Harry from mogwarts]

Clavicle lengthening is barely perceptible because of the rounding it causes through rotation, and there's a total of 2 somewhat trustworthy surgeons that perform it.

Meanwhile roiding has been studied and done for decades.

Name of the surgeons?

 

[weallburninhell]

This thread is somewhat lengthy, I included pictures to make it more easily understandable.

Spoiler: Thread 1

Eppley's "solution" to the wide hips question is a cope surgery

Here's what he offers https://www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com/how-can-i-reduce-the-horizontal-width-of-my-hips-hip-reduction/ A: I will assume that when you speak of more narrow hips that you are referring to reduction of the iliac crest, specifically the most lateral craved wing of the iliac...

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Spoiler: Misconceptions

So I’ve noticed some users mistakenly assume that wide hips = wide upper pelvic bones only

That’s not true. You can have perfectly normal upper hip line width but bad hip joint / total p2p femoral head width. Take a look at this picture.

Notice the difference between high hip line and low hip line at different levels of the Z spatial axis.

Example of wide lower hips but normal upper hip line

Spoiler: Types

I’ve proposed ways of trying to mitigate this problem at the linked “Thread 1” above, but that post’s main conceptual shortcoming was the failure to classify hipcel types according to the ways in which each can in principle be addressed.

There are 4 types of width irregularities that make up the hipceldom problem partially or entirely.

T1
Generally wide pelvis. So not necessarily bad upper hip to lower hip ratio, but bad waist + ribcage to hips ratio, and bad shoulders to hips ratio.

• Wide Ilium bones, meaning wider high hip line because of Iliac crests’ point to point distance

• Wide lower hip distance, as a side effect of

a) wider Sacrum resulting in larger pelvic cavity
b) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
c) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
d) see Type 4 below

Example:

T2

Wide lower hips, but NOT upper hips below the waist

Result of
a) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
b) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
c) see Type 4 below

Examples:

T3
Wide upper hips AND even wider lower hips

(T2 but grown in width. So average upper hip width → wide and higher already lower hip width → even wider.
Essentially the closest a male pelvis can come to a female’s, minus Ilium’s edge to Pubic/Hip joint distance aka height at the Z spatial axis. Women’s pelvis is significantly shorter than men’s

but that’s irrelevant here)

Examples:

T4
This won’t alone make someone a hipcel but it’ll contribute. Femoral heads’ issue, but rare. Either

a) very small upper and lower pelvic body in width and long femurs with big femoral head bodies each

OR

b) a condition - deformity called Coxa Vara whereby the angle between the head and the shaft of the femur is reduced to less than 120 degrees.

This is important because the angle (and size) of the femoral head can determine whether you’ll have protruding lower hips or not if your pelvis geometry isn’t ideal already.

So it makes sense that, deformities aside, a person with smaller angle will have higher lower hip width all else being equal

Spoiler: Identify if you have wide hips and if yes what type.

Women won’t actively focus on your hips, but a dogshit frame like this guy’s:

will unconsciously put them off.
A somewhat better frame, with ribcage narrower than hips is still unattractive

Check the 4 types. Keep in mind that both men and women have a wider lower hips distance after puberty as seen in this Wikipedia photo.

Child development - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you have shit frame, were fat during puberty (increased rate of T to Estradiol), got exposed to high growth hormone levels (that’s why tall guys are more likely to be hipcels), even after most plates fused (people with big hands and feet), exposed to very high T that aromatized, or have shit estrogen receptor density or K syndrome, your risk is higher.
Being an anxious person with elevated cortisol during puberty probably wouldn’t help either.

Spoiler: Solutions

Gym isn’t guaranteed to work. Gandy roided and worked out and still has noticeably wide lower hips.

1. Stop doing heavy glute work, you probably will have added Y axis width (depth) so a 3/4 side front profile would make it look worse, and way worse if naked. Do isolated quad + and hamstring workout preferably
2. Train side abs / obliques

1. Train shoulders heavily
2. Consider clavicle lengthening*** (this is a good thread by @RealSurgerymax )

Shoulder Widening 2020 State-Of-The-Art Review and Comparison (DO vs. Bone Graft vs. Sliding Clavicle Osteotomy vs. Alloplastic)

Hello Everyone, In the last year Shoulder Widening has become a big topic on the forums and last week Leif Rogers published a new procedure on YouTube, although I haven't seen anything in the journals yet. Shoulder Reduction Surgery for the MtF Plastic Surgery population has shown us that...

looksmax.org

I don’t recommend steroids.
This guy did an impressive transformation

Surgery:
Coming back to what I wrote earlier: I’ve proposed ways of trying to mitigate this problem at the linked “Thread 1**” above, but that post’s not only hadn't classification for the corresponding solution, it was mainly to showcase that Eppley's surgery alone is useless.
**https://looksmax.org/threads/eppleys-solution-to-the-wide-hips-question-is-a-cope-surgery.490104/

1. There’s already cosmetic surgery being offered for wide hips (see Thread 1) by Eppley:

https://www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com/how-can-i-reduce-the-horizontal-width-of-my-hips-hip-reduction/

The problem is that surgery alone as posted is COPE. It’s supplemental only for cases with wide upper hips, aka T1, T3 not T2 or T4 - but again doing it alone as a T1 or T3, would then give you clear T2 hips, since your lower hip width = left unchanged.

1. If you read Thread 1 ’s comments, it turns out that you working out your upper body might not be enough for bad cases (see T3 pics)

1. Pelvic osteotomy would fix the problem instead of mask it, plus give you some bonus height. It'd probably require shaving of the inner pubic bones first:

But surely enough no one will agree to do it on syndromic clients.

1. Coxa Vara fixing surgery, Corrective Valgus osteotomy is essentially a surgery changing the femoral head angle (see T4). Orthopedic surgeons like Dror Paley (who does LL) who do this, not sure if they’ll do it to non deformed patients

Proof:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...A-Coxa-magna-with-saddle-shaped_fig1_51479771

T4, T2 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training, forget Eppley also 4) consider 4, if it's really bad.
T1, T3 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training - focus on hamstrings and quads, Eppley's surgery would work for you only if you done something for your lower hip width FIRST


*** You can add up to 5cm shoulder width with Clavicle Lengthening.

Shoulder Widening 2020 State-Of-The-Art Review and Comparison (DO vs. Bone Graft vs. Sliding Clavicle Osteotomy vs. Alloplastic)

Hello Everyone, In the last year Shoulder Widening has become a big topic on the forums and last week Leif Rogers published a new procedure on YouTube, although I haven't seen anything in the journals yet. Shoulder Reduction Surgery for the MtF Plastic Surgery population has shown us that...

looksmax.org

That guy didn't do Clavicle Lengthening

As long as I remember the default answer to the wide hips question from the Looksmax community has been:


Well, there you go ☝☝.

Spoiler: Tagging potentially interested / knowledgeable / high IQ users

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Spoiler: For the dummies

Edit: For the low IQ users like Danish Retard and @incel194012940 , you don't have to roid and fuck up your balls and natural test production and overall health. READ ffs: Clavicle lengthening can emulate this

Spoiler: For the dummies

Don't comment if you haven't read the post. It's not that hard.

Is this the same guy? How the fuck he transform hes body