morals are incompatible with true atheism

[hauntohalic]

if u believe there is no religion no god whatsoever there is no reason to have morals because you are following rules which by ur mindset do not exist

 

[Thodian]

Are u retarded?

 

[Clqs]

I'm 14 and this is deep

 

[mangotimer]

Stop mocking atheism nigga God dosent exist atheism won

 

[Mansur]

Theoretically yes but society still exists, and you wont be able to perform anything youd like to, as youd be stopped from doing so

 

[n1ks09]

if u believe there is no religion no god whatsoever there is no reason to have morals because you are following rules which by ur mindset do not exist

so the only thing that gets u to having morals is religion?

 

[arthurfish]

so the only thing that gets u to having morals is religion?

complete strawman of what he's saying

 

[JewishNationalist]

yeah fuck moralfaggotry

 

[JewishNationalist]

so the only thing that gets u to having morals is religion?

i only follow some kind of moralfaggotry because there are government laws

 

[issey miyake]

Hauntohalic

 

[g4rlic]

complete strawman of what he's saying

what he said was incomprehensible anyways tbh

 

[Suicidalcel]

I have no morality

 

[tenmacel]

if u believe there is no religion no god whatsoever there is no reason to have morals because you are following rules which by ur mindset do not exist

You invent your own morals... Alien morality not a lack of it

 

[arthurfish]

what he said was incomprehensible anyways tbh

You not being able to understand it is not the same thing as it being incomprehensible

 

[g4rlic]

You not being able to understand it is not the same thing as it being incomprehensible

i didnt say i didnt understand it its just a stupid statement.

i mean if rules are just what religion says then i guess i am legally allowed to own slaves and marry 9 year olds lol

 

[g4rlic]

Are u retarded?

do you have to ask

 

[arthurfish]

i didnt say i didnt understand it its just a stupid statement.

i mean if rules are just what religion says then i guess i am legally allowed to own slaves and marry 9 year olds lol

It’s not a stupid statement. It’s a statement that many atheist philosophers and thinkers fully accept: that morality is not objective.

 

[NinjaRG9]

Are u retarded?

smartest moralfag argument

 

[arthurfish]

smartest moralfag argument

No, some people are just not worth entertaining.

 

[hauntohalic]

so the only thing that gets u to having morals is religion?

yes???? if i dont believe in a religion why would i follow its morals

 

[hauntohalic]

Stop mocking atheism nigga God dosent exist atheism won

if u believe in morals ur not atheist ur still religious just not commited to a specific one

 

[Hess]

yes???? if i dont believe in a religion why would i follow its morals

Because the morality we developed serve as useful measures to manage civilized industrial nations, there is no objective morality but pretending morality is not beneficial or that there is no reason to follow it is stupid

 

[hauntohalic]

Because the morality we developed serve as useful measures to manage civilized industrial nations, there is no objective morality but pretending morality is not beneficial or that there is no reason to follow it is stupid

ur talking about laws rn and i dont disagree that morality isnt useful on a societywide scale im just saying that i personally would not have any reason to follow morality besides the law if i wasnt religious because it simply wouldnt be logical

 

[Hess]

ur talking about laws rn and i dont disagree that morality isnt useful on a societywide scale im just saying that i personally would not have any reason to follow morality besides the law if i wasnt religious because it simply wouldnt be logical

Do you think laws are created out of thin air? they are defined by morality we developed and the reason we developed that morality is because it serves as useful measures to create trust in communities and to be able to collectivize as tribes and operate far more united, however we don't always apply that morality as some universal truth, we don't give the same morality to enemies or other tribes which is why massacres, slavery and mass rape and pillage in war is so common in history, morality serves to unify peoples and to collectivize them into a society that is productive and to then be able to compete far more against other peoples, my point is that the idea that we would be amoral rapists towards eachother the second we don't have some religious morality bestowed on us by God is ridiculous when said morality has always been subjective in the first place

 

[hauntohalic]

Do you think laws are created out of thin air? they are defined by morality we developed and the reason we developed that morality is because it serves as useful measures to create trust in communities and to be able to collectivize as tribes and operate far more united, however we don't always apply that morality as some universal truth, we don't give the same morality to enemies or other tribes which is why massacres, slavery and mass rape and pillage in war is so common in history, morality serves to unify peoples and to collectivize them into a society that is productive and to then be able to compete far more against other peoples,

i agree that these morals are useful for society as it helps it function properly

my point is that the idea that we would be amoral rapists towards eachother the second we don't have some religious morality bestowed on us by God is ridiculous when said morality has always been subjective in the first place

the thing stopping true atheists that have no hope in god existing whatsoever from doing these things is laws, these types of people go on to become mass shooters or whatever if they do end up roping

 

[Hess]

the thing stopping true atheists that have no hope in god existing whatsoever from doing these things is laws, these types of people go on to become mass shooters or whatever if they do end up roping

If this were true then why is it that when society turned vastly more secular it still operated just the same, youre assumption relies on people being shackled by law by some inhuman entity rather than it not being simply a social contract between peoples, the government is made up of these people and is defined by the people especially in democratic govs this is just a silly point, not to mention the pagans in europe never believed in universal good or evils which didnt stop them from creating laws and societies like this (see the roman republic and ancient greece)

 

[hauntohalic]

If this were true then why is it that when society turned vastly more secular it still operated just the same, youre assumption relies on people being shackled by law by some inhuman entity rather than it not being simply a social contract between peoples, the government is made up of these people and is defined by the people especially in democratic govs this is just a silly point, not to mention the pagans in europe never believed in universal good or evils which didnt stop them from creating laws and societies like this (see the roman republic and ancient greece)

because these morals are still taught they didnt stop being taught because we became secular

 

[Lord Vader]

if u believe there is no religion no god whatsoever there is no reason to have morals because you are following rules which by ur mindset do not exist

 

[JewishNationalist]

If this were true then why is it that when society turned vastly more secular it still operated just the same, youre assumption relies on people being shackled by law by some inhuman entity rather than it not being simply a social contract between peoples, the government is made up of these people and is defined by the people especially in democratic govs this is just a silly point, not to mention the pagans in europe never believed in universal good or evils which didnt stop them from creating laws and societies like this (see the roman republic and ancient greece)

tbh laws must be abolished too, so strong people take all the power and dominate over weaklings, like it is supposed by nature.

 

[Hess]

because these morals are still taught they didnt stop being taught because we became secular

Ya but you ignore how ancient greece and the roman republic also developed these laws and morals without the concepts of universal morality or objective good and evils, also in a secular worldview christianity is not real which makes all of its morality man-made as well, the reason we follow morality like this is because it is beneficial to our interests and the thought that man would be lost and dysfunctional without objective morality or a morality given by god is laughable

 

[hauntohalic]

Ya but you ignore how ancient greece and the roman republic also developed these laws and morals without the concepts of universal morality or objective good and evils, also in a secular worldview christianity is not real which makes all of its morality man-made as well, the reason we follow morality like this is because it is beneficial to our interests and the thought that man would be lost and dysfunctional without objective morality or a morality given by god is laughable

its not much diffrent to current moral systems its still taught from a young age and enforced heavily

 

[g4rlic]

It’s not a stupid statement. It’s a statement that many atheist philosophers and thinkers fully accept: that morality is not objective.

ur still retarded. thats not what he said. he said theres no reason to follow rules. not that they are subjective.

ur also retarded because you think subjectivity doesnt matter when it just means up to human interpertaion. subjectivity is important and essential to our society

 

[arthurfish]

ur still retarded. thats not what he said. he said theres no reason to follow rules. not that they are subjective.

ur also retarded because you think subjectivity doesnt matter when it just means up to human interpertaion. subjectivity is important and essential to our society

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not gonna say that OP's wording was perfect because it wasn't, but that's obviously the idea he was trying to get across.

Also, I never said subjectivity doesn't matter. You're putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is that, yes, objective morality does not exist. I, as someone who doesn't believe in God, completely concede that my opinions on morality are entirely based on what I think is right and wrong.

Morality and law on a societal scale is indeed merely the agreed upon customs, traditions, and rules. Nothing more nothing less. This does not mean, however, that we cannot prosecute these trespasses.