MSE barely expands cheekbones

[optimisticzoomer]

If we take these two pictures of before and after MSE:

And we line them up properly, you can see a very minimal impact on the cheekbone:

Now this is unlikely to be noticeable in real life, unless you're specifically observing the cheekbones. Therefore you shouldnt get MSE just because you want wider cheekbones.

However,
If you look at the diastema, it looks like there has been maybe 6mm of expansion.

So if you go up to 10mm expansion, cheekbone results may be satisfactory. But it's unlikely you will find someone to give you 10mm expansion unless you're palate is tictac tier

 

[Deleted member 7776]

my ortho said 3-3mm on each side is possible so yeah 6mm in total

 

[Timelessbrah]

Wow dude!! Great discovery, as if we didn't knew that, MSE doesn't really do shit, it's only for functional purposes.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Wow dude!! Great discovery, as if we didn't knew that, MSE doesn't really do shit, it's only for functional purposes.

Plenty of people here want to get mse for cheekbones

 

[Chintuck22]

Welcome back bro @optimisticzoomer

 

[ShineBright]

Wow dude!! Great discovery, as if we didn't knew that, MSE doesn't really do shit, it's only for functional purposes.

Wh-what? So I got MSE for nothing?

Jk, but there's tons of Ronnie knights on this board that defend MSE for aesthetics to the grave. Despite, well, zero existing evidence to support that. Hell, even some kid here DIYed his own fucking MSE. Broke his own suture with lidocaine and everything JFL

 

[Deleted member 3591]

@retard what were the exact numbers from that study again?
I think something like 0.8 mm of cheekbone expansion for every 1mm of actual expansion?

 

[Timelessbrah]

Plenty of people here want to get mse for cheekbones

It will not work, I have done MSE since I wore braces for 3 years. Why would it cause an increase in zygo projection? Because it doesn't. It's simple a procedure to make space for the upper jaw and also provide alignment for both. Having a wide palate is a chad trait but insufficient to cause a significant (if any) zygomatic improvements.

 

[Timelessbrah]

Wh-what? So I got MSE for nothing?

Jk, but there's tons of Ronnie knights on this board that defend MSE for aesthetics to the grave. Despite, well, zero existing evidence to support that. Hell, even some kid here DIYed his own fucking MSE. Broke his own suture with lidocaine and everything JFL

No, you didn't, it provides a good alignment for the upper and lower jaw teeth line. See my other post here.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I have hollow cheeks because of MSE

 

[betamanlet]

A considerable difference actually.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

It will not work, I have done MSE since I wore braces for 3 years. Why would it cause an increase in zygo projection? Because it doesn't. It's simple a procedure to make space for the upper jaw and also provide alignment for both. Having a wide palate is a chad trait but insufficient to cause a significant (if any) zygomatic improvements.

It does expand zygos, as both sides of the maxilla move out, and zygos are connected to the maxilla. It's just not very noticeable

 

[optimisticzoomer]

View attachment 756671 A considerable difference actually.

The rotation on those pics isnt exactly the same

 

[Timelessbrah]

It does expand zygos, as both sides of the maxilla move out, and zygos are connected to the maxilla. It's just not very noticeable

Not noticeable = poor results = try other method.

Only direct work to that area can save it.

 

[betamanlet]

The rotation on those pics isnt exactly the same

Doesn't matter, since the difference in zygomatic width is significant enough to negate mild discrepancies.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Not noticeable = poor results = try other method.

Only direct work to that area can save it.

pretty ironic how your bio says “mm’s away” then say few mm of zygo projection is not enough

 

[Timelessbrah]

pretty ironic how your bio says “mm’s away” then say few mm of zygo projection is not enough

A few mm's can be, for example, 2 cm which is 20 mm, and that is noticeable, if you move your zygos 1 mm it won't be. There's zero evidence that MSE significantly expands zygos, so no.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

A few mm's can be, for example, 2 cm which is 20 mm, and that is noticeable, if you move your zygos 1 mm it won't be. There's zero evidence that MSE significantly expands zygos, so no.

uhhh in many MSE studies it states it provides midfacial expansion which is zygo expansion. it also bends the zygos outward which is an appealing, PSL positive effect

 

[000]

@retard what were the exact numbers from that study again?
I think something like 0.8 mm of cheekbone expansion for every 1mm of actual expansion?

0.83333 mm

 

[OCDMaxxing]

Of course. Orthos confirm this. Outer cheekbones are determined by overall bone mass. You need fillers for that shit.

 

[Deleted member 3479]

View attachment 756671 A considerable difference actually.

That is a huge difference IRL

 

[Deleted member 3479]

Theoretically the palate is directly connected to the zygos laterally so any palate expansion should expand zygos as well

 

[retard]

@retard what were the exact numbers from that study again?
I think something like 0.8 mm of cheekbone expansion for every 1mm of actual expansion?

Ye .7-.8 after the suture has split

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Wow dude!! Great discovery, as if we didn't knew that, MSE doesn't really do shit, it's only for functional purposes.

So MSE is cope? What about the mm's of forward growth of jaw

 

[optimisticzoomer]

So MSE is cope? What about the mm's of forward growth of jaw

Mse doesnt give forward growth. Or do you just mean in general is mm cope?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Ye .7-.8 after the suture has split

Which study?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Theoretically the palate is directly connected to the zygos laterally so any palate expansion should expand zygos as well

Yes, but not by the same amount because zygos are also connected to the long horizontal bone at the sides of your head, which is connected to the cranium. So expanding zygos is harder

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Mse doesnt give forward growth. Or do you just mean in general is mm cope?

wait so if MSE doesnt give forward growth then why are people recommending MSE before getting bimax

 

[optimisticzoomer]

wait so if MSE doesnt give forward growth then why are people recommending MSE before getting bimax

Mse + fm can give up to 3mm forward movement in adults. Although if you keep the suture open longer by turning in one direction, and then the other direction the next day, I think you may be able to get more

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Hope Mask with Mse ain’t cope Im going to wear that bullshit all day man.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Mse + fm can give up to 3mm forward movement in adults. Although if you keep the suture open longer by turning in one direction, and then the other direction the next day, I think you may be able to get more

is 3mm a lot

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Hope Mask with Mse ain’t cope Im going to wear that bullshit all day man.

That's not cope. It will give a few mm maybe which will make your face more full from side and 3/4, even if its not directly noticeable. I'm hoping to get mse + fm in a few years when I can

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Im going to document my mask results getting results would be great Im not receded though. And Im getting assist with vaugh so I should get better results.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

is 3mm a lot

Depends where it shows up. If you pull like your nostril part forward it will emulate forward growth of maxilla. So if the 3mm goes to this part of the maxilla and moves this part 3mm then it will be noticeable. This part I'm referring to:

However this part of the maxilla may not come forward much, who knows

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Im going to document my mask results getting results would be great Im not receded though. And Im getting assist with vaugh so I should get better results.

Surgical assist means no cheekbone results btw

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Have u seen a photo of me man any more cheeckbone and Im dead.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Have u seen a photo of me man any more cheeckbone and Im dead.

No I havent, but you can never have enough cheekbone.
Nah but yeah, that's fine then

 

[bimaximum]

I think totally differently.
the aesthetic changes of MSE are real and zygo can get wild but laterally
people really should consider the other drastic changes such as nose base and overall mid face width. It’s not added forward growth, it’s width, and won’t fit anybody

Breathing benefits are essential tho. Lands to better posture from jaw to core, better sleep and by ripple effect better health overall.

MSE is a looksmaxxer device. it won’t increase your PSL in itself but:
-it prevents you to feel and look tired and weak.
-Even slight changes would be a better base for other procedures because bigger skull
- No more beta snoring, asthma..

 

[TITUS]

Dr. Ting Tong says they expand 1-2 mms at best.

 

[Timelessbrah]

So MSE is cope? What about the mm's of forward growth of jaw

It's not cope, it's still important to have a wide palate, just have in mind that it won't change the looks rating.

 

[Timelessbrah]

uhhh in many MSE studies it states it provides midfacial expansion which is zygo expansion. it also bends the zygos outward which is an appealing, PSL positive effect
View attachment 756707

Meanwhile I'm yet to see a real facial change, not some cherry picked example. Not solid evidence at all to consider the results as 'good'; other users are pointing out, 1-2 mm is barely visible.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Meanwhile I'm yet to see a real facial change, not some cherry picked example. Not solid evidence at all to consider the results as 'good'; other users are pointing out, 1-2 mm is barely visible.

You will remain to not see any “real facial change” because MSE wasn’t meant for aesthetic purposes. Orthodontists aren’t plastic surgeons, so they couldn’t care less/know anything when it comes to the face. That doesn’t mean MSE doesn’t provide benefits for your face. They upload the upper arch changes and breathing changes.

 

[Timelessbrah]

You will remain to not see any “real facial change” because MSE wasn’t meant for aesthetic purposes. Orthodontists aren’t plastic surgeons, so they couldn’t care less/know anything when it comes to the face. That doesn’t mean MSE doesn’t provide benefits for your face. They upload the upper arch changes and breathing changes.

but that alone won't make you good looking, it's just a very small step.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

but that alone won't make you good looking, it's just a very small step.

Wider smile, wider lips, wider midface, combined with FM can give you a fuller midface in a lefort 3 manner, etc even if you think MSE doesn’t expand your zygos that much, although it did from my experience. It’s a big bundle tbh and it’s not even that expensive.

 

[Carl-o]

So what a large palate actually really does in terms of aesthetics? Just to understand.
Wide palate is a chad trait.. ok but why? How does it effect your midface?

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Wider smile, wider lips, wider midface, combined with FM can give you a fuller midface in a lefort 3 manner, etc even if you think MSE doesn’t expand your zygos that much, although it did from my experience. It’s a big bundle tbh and it’s not even that expensive.

How much movenet u get with the mask man.

 

[ThreadMatters]

my ortho said 3-3mm on each side is possible so yeah 6mm in total

Ask him if mse can increase ipd too pls

 

[AlmostPerfect]

my ortho said 3-3mm on each side is possible so yeah 6mm in total

The palate will have to expand more than the the desired cheekbone expansion width becasue the expansion is not parallel - the expansion is more at the maxillary suture. I think if you chew hard mastic chewing gum a lot that it will help with the zygo expansion because of the force of the jaw muslces pulling the zygos down when you chew.