mse + chewing widens the IPD (upper maxilla)

[spark]

incisor chewing for indirect forward growth, the only way to generate true forward growth is through facepulling

Facepulling using a facemask or thumb pulling? The facemask makes sense but a lot of people say thumb pulling helped them. I am quite skeptical of that.

 

[retard]

Facepulling using a facemask or thumb pulling? The facemask makes sense but a lot of people say thumb pulling helped them. I am quite skeptical of that.

thumb pulling is probably beneficial in a supplemental aspect; facepulling with a facemask does the heavy lifting though

 

[Deleted member 3635]

title, mse + chewing widens IPD/upper maxilla, i am 100% sure

im not going to explain the mechanisms how for other unrelated reasons, ( you can pm me if you are interested in the mechanisms shit) but if you have mse and want ipd increase, chew, chew and chew more

tongue (or mse) - expands lower maxilla

chewing - expands upper maxilla

damn thats huge il make sure to do this with my next mse

 

[Deleted member 685]

Thanks for reminding me to put this clown on ignore

 

[retard]

Thanks for reminding me to put this clown on ignore

lol ive explained this in depth to like 5 ppl and they can all vouch

 

[sloopnoob]

i have 63-64mm ipd dont wanna widen it, want ogee to widen tho and more compact orbitals. So if i just incisor chew I won't be expanding ipd right?

 

[retard]

i have 63-64mm ipd dont wanna widen it, want ogee to widen tho and more compact orbitals. So if i just incisor chew I won't be expanding ipd right?

any type of chewing would widen it theoretically

 

[Deleted member 9670]

any type of chewing would widen it theoretically

so chewing without mse will widen ipd? will it widen bizgyo width too?

 

[Gremblo]

It won't...

 

[Need2Ascend]

Do you still believe in your theory @retard and are short intense(30-60min) or long lighter(2h+) chewing sessions better when sutures split for widening of upper maxilla?(I guess longer are better for bone remodelling). I'll go for it in the next days as soon as the split happens, will measure my IPD regularly

 

[retard]

Do you still believe in your theory @retard and are short intense(30-60min) or long lighter(2h+) chewing sessions better when sutures split for widening of upper maxilla?(I guess longer are better for bone remodelling). I'll go for it in the next days as soon as the split happens, will measure my IPD regularly

longer will probably generate more force so it’s better, and ye this should work if the sutures nasomaxillary suture is truly opened

 

[Deleted member 9670]

Will this affect pfl

 

[retard]

Will this affect pfl

it should

 

[Sadboi]

Widen zygos but not mandible.

I see you replying pretty confidently on every reply with an answer. How do you know all this stuff? Have u got docs I could read on?

 

[RichardwillImprove]

I see you replying pretty confidently on every reply with an answer. How do you know all this stuff? Have u got docs I could read on?

everything i know literally comes from retard or my doctor ting lol.

 

[Need2Ascend]

I'm about 20 turns in now with MSE, and holy fuck, when I clench my molars I can feel the pressure around my midface/nose like I never had before, will chew the shit out of my skull to gain 2+mm IPD.
Do you think chewing on molars could give some downwards(+forward) growth of the lower maxilla? I guess Incissor would be contraproductive in my case since I have sfs/vertically too short maxilla

 

[retard]

I'm about 20 turns in now with MSE, and holy fuck, when I clench my molars I can feel the pressure around my midface/nose like I never had before, will chew the shit out of my skull to gain 2+mm IPD.
Do you think chewing on molars could give some downwards(+forward) growth of the lower maxilla? I guess Incissor would be contraproductive in my case since I have sfs/vertically too short maxilla

if u have sfs molar chewing is optimal

 

[kingofeurope11]

title, mse + chewing widens IPD/upper maxilla, i am 100% sure

im not going to explain the mechanisms how for other unrelated reasons, ( you can pm me if you are interested in the mechanisms shit) but if you have mse and want ipd increase, chew, chew and chew more

tongue (or mse) - expands lower maxilla

chewing - expands upper maxilla

Chewing with molars or incisor chewing

 

[curryslayerordeath]

@retard where did u get the differences between chewing on molars, incisors, etc from? can u link?

 

[retard]

@retard where did u get the differences between chewing on molars, incisors, etc from? can u link?

mainly I just considered the maxilla like a plane with a somewhat centralized center of resistance, so applying upward force to the back of the maxilla (molar chewing) would cause a cw rotation, and upward force at the front of the maxilla will cause ccw rotation

heres a study stating larger masseter is correlated with cw maxilla rotation, and molar chewing is the method any person not consciously modifying their chewing method would do

Relationship between masseter muscle size and maxillary morphology - PubMed

The aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between masseter muscle size and craniofacial morphology, focusing on the maxilla. Twenty-four patients (11 males and 13 females; mean age 27.6 ± 5.6 years) underwent cephalometric analyses. Ultrasonography was used to measure the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the only study relating to incisor chewing would probs be moons facepulling simulation, specifically simulation F that has been posted here a million times, as it mimics incisor chewing pretty well from a force vector standpoint

 

[retard]

Chewing with molars or incisor chewing

for this the more force the better so molar chewing, but it’s not better by a ton

 

[Need2Ascend]

you can only get gains the two months you expand with mse, so your time frame isnt that wide

Do you mean it's possible to expand IPD/upper maxilla only as long as you keep turning/expanding or as long as the MSE is still in your mouth(even after finishing expanding)?

 

[retard]

Do you mean it's possible to expand IPD/upper maxilla only as long as you keep turning/expanding or as long as the MSE is still in your mouth(even after finishing expanding)?

it depends how long the sutures take to come back together, which is probably a month or so after you stop expanding

 

[AutismMaxing]

Can it also widens narrow jaw??

According to Mike mew our bodies are smart enough to widen the lower jaw when they are widening the upper jaw (to match) if we are chewing.

I just chew regular gum for now, but after a few months I'll transition over to hard gum.

 

[Deleted member 9467]

bump

 

[AscendingHero]

Does MSE widen zygos? Because if it widens the maxilla more then it does the zygos, it would undo naturally hollow cheeks. I keep seeing MSE on here and I could only see it fucking up my face if the zygos and mandible don't widen with it.

Read what you just again. jfl do you even know the anatomy of the maxila & zygos? Lmao

 

[LebenistneHure]

Necro, any follow-up on this theory? Did anyone actually get MSE and detected measureable improvements to their IPD?

 

[Deleted member 15601]

title, mse + chewing widens IPD/upper maxilla, i am 100% sure

im not going to explain the mechanisms how for other unrelated reasons, ( you can pm me if you are interested in the mechanisms shit) but if you have mse and want ipd increase, chew, chew and chew more

tongue (or mse) - expands lower maxilla

chewing - expands upper maxilla

could you mew instead of using MSE?

 

[ruoho]

title, mse + chewing widens IPD/upper maxilla, i am 100% sure

im not going to explain the mechanisms how for other unrelated reasons, ( you can pm me if you are interested in the mechanisms shit) but if you have mse and want ipd increase, chew, chew and chew more

tongue (or mse) - expands lower maxilla

chewing - expands upper maxilla

Can confirm personally, My IPD has expanded a lot since i started chewing

 

[Edgar]

Can confirm personally, My IPD has expanded a lot since i started chewing

Post pics and measurements

 

[ruoho]

Post pics and measurements

nah

 

[Edgar]

nah

Fucking greycel

 

[actual9cmjawslayer]

@thecel nothing to lose

 

[sub5inchcel]

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I'm about 20 turns in now with MSE, and holy fuck, when I clench my molars I can feel the pressure around my midface/nose like I never had before, will chew the shit out of my skull to gain 2+mm IPD.
Do you think chewing on molars could give some downwards(+forward) growth of the lower maxilla? I guess Incissor would be contraproductive in my case since I have sfs/vertically too short maxilla

1. did yiu get assymetry and was it bad.
2. did your ipd, intercanthal distance and ofl increase?
3. did your lip width increase?

 

[Need2Ascend]

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1. did yiu get assymetry and was it bad.
2. did your ipd, intercanthal distance and ofl increase?
3. did your lip width increase?

1. Asymmetry was quite bad at the start of the expansion for me. One side expanded much further than the other. But now, since the molars are realigned and the gap at the front closed, it is fine.

2.+3. I didn't measure them all exactly, but these measurements didn't increase in any significant manner if I compare my current face to before. I also wore a facemask, and noticed this can have altering effects on the whole eye area too, but didn't work well. Overall disappointing experience

 

[mvp2v1]

1. Asymmetry was quite bad at the start of the expansion for me. One side expanded much further than the other. But now, since the molars are realigned and the gap at the front closed, it is fine.

2.+3. I didn't measure them all exactly, but these measurements didn't increase in any significant manner if I compare my current face to before. I also wore a facemask, and noticed this can have altering effects on the whole eye area too, but didn't work well. Overall disappointing experience

Would you say your execution was good enough that the forum can conclude MSE is not a viable option for noticeably increasing IPD and PFL?

Do you think it’s possible someone else executing ina. Different manner could get better results?

 

[sub5inchcel]

Would you say your execution was good enough that the forum can conclude MSE is not a viable option for noticeably increasing IPD and PFL?

Do you think it’s possible someone else executing ina. Different manner could get better results?

rme allarently have better stress on eye area i read

 

[Need2Ascend]

Would you say your execution was good enough that the forum can conclude MSE is not a viable option for noticeably increasing IPD and PFL?

Do you think it’s possible someone else executing ina. Different manner could get better results?

Hard to say. Maybe it could have to do with how your face is structured (cranial base) in terms of how the changes turn out? However I don't think mse alone changes it much. What I noticed is by pulling your maxilla forward/downward in the direction of the sutures, the eye area seems to widen (pfl, ipd, icd). It might be related to the sphenoid

 

[mvp2v1]

rme allarently have better stress on eye area i read

What?

Hard to say. Maybe it could have to do with how your face is structured (cranial base) in terms of how the changes turn out? However I don't think mse alone changes it much. What I noticed is by pulling your maxilla forward/downward in the direction of the sutures, the eye area seems to widen (pfl, ipd, icd). It might be related to the sphenoid

interesting. You think pulling downwards has that effect? Pulling upwards is what I would expect would get results… did you observe this in yourself when u had the MSE?

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

Sucking BBC remodels the facial skeleton into a Chad

 

[sub5inchcel]

What?

interesting.

rme is another expander that appqrebtly have better effect on eye area because more atreaa i eill try to find the thread

 

[Need2Ascend]

What?

interesting. You think pulling downwards has that effect? Pulling upwards is what I would expect would get results… did you observe this in yourself when u had the MSE?

The maxilla can only grow in the direction of the suture, which is downward/forward. If you mean the alveolar ridge, then you could remodel it more upwards but with mewing, chewing, etc. Do you have a gummy smile?

 

[reputation]

title, mse + chewing widens IPD/upper maxilla, i am 100% sure

im not going to explain the mechanisms how for other unrelated reasons, ( you can pm me if you are interested in the mechanisms shit) but if you have mse and want ipd increase, chew, chew and chew more

tongue (or mse) - expands lower maxilla

chewing - expands upper maxilla

Mewing is not supported by science

 

[sub5inchcel]

Mewing is not supported by science

it is

 

[Zures]

what is MSE?

 

[mvp2v1]

The maxilla can only grow in the direction of the suture, which is downward/forward. If you mean the alveolar ridge, then you could remodel it more upwards but with mewing, chewing, etc. Do you have a gummy smile?

A little yes

 

[mvp2v1]

rme is another expander that appqrebtly have better effect on eye area because more atreaa i eill try to find the thread

did you find the thread?

 

[sub5inchcel]

did you find the thread?

ill look for it

 

[sub5inchcel]

did you find the thread?

Soft tissue changes with RME (including eyes)

This study was using RME as opposed to MSE. However, if we look at this image, it appears that RME produces more stress around the eye area than MSE: (a = RME, b = MSE) Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6168444/ So whether that means RME produces more changes in eye area, I...

looksmax.org

 

[sub5inchcel]

did you find the thread?

thougths? do you think its legit for late teenagers if they want wider ipd/intercanthal distance? what about lip width?