MSE is finally installed.

Ok don’t do 5 turns. Do 1 turn a day.
 
You might be risking warping the MSE and fucking your molars up with that amount of turns/day. Especially if you're going to facepull from the main wires.
If the MSE bends, slow down on the turns or you'll lose actual mm's of expansion.
You should go see an ortho just to check if it's properly installed. It's already in so you've got nothing to lose.
 
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mogs me I'm a high inhib cuckold who will only rot and softmaxx
 
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btw record when it splits on video :feelsohh: ronald ead had it on day 3. but you don't look too narrow tbh why get it in the first place?
 
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What a chad, good luck with the ascension, keep us updated.

PS: I knew 30 mins of anesthesia was just too short. First time i had to draw blood from myself i took like 30 mins just to get into the mood.
 
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RecessedMaxillacel said:
I know I said I was gonna make a whole documentation on my self install journey but I’m kinda lazy to make a long ass post about it. But I finally got MSE installed. Man let me tell you, it was a pain in the ass at times but at the same time it was fairly simple. When I first started to install it I had injected myself with lidocaine, but since I like to dick around it eventually wore off before I even got halfway thru it so I basically installed the whole MSE into my skull with no anesthesia JFL. I felt every bit of the screw goin into my skull & everything. It hurt like a bitch at times but most of it wasn’t very bad at all tbh. I decided to get rid of the molar bands with hooks after installs it was mainly used for alignment but I eventually got sick of having it in there, it made it so hard to chew & shit so they were cut out. I’ll be doing facepulling from the MSE itself. I’m currently at day 1 of turning & I’m at 5 turns, I feel no pain at all lol. Will continue with 5 turns a day until split then do 2 a day after split. Since I’m not makin a full documentation anymore, jus feel free to ask about anything from this process & I’ll tell ya what I can about it!
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Don't forget to chew: chewing add more widening pressure on the upper midface at the zygo level. Also the upper midface at the zygomatic buttress is the reason why in many peoples our maxillary suture never split. Chewing Does helps it.
So the more your chew, the more upper widening you will get.
And the more upper widening the more your sutures would be disturbed, so the more forward growth.
By chewing i mean heavy training so let's buy small rubber gum we find in instagram...
 
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You guys are fucking insane lmao.
 
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Wait why did u cut off the arms?
 
Inb4 OP dies from drilling a screw into his brain
 
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PURE ARYAN GENETICS said:
btw record when it splits on video :feelsohh: ronald ead had it on day 3. but you don't look too narrow tbh why get it in the first place?
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I’ll try to record when it does that’d be crazy to catch it on video of it splitting & maybe hearin a small pop jfl. But I got it cuz my tongue is kinda big so I don’t really have much space to have proper tongue posture, it feels extremely crowded plus I wanted to get a better face & also mainly to fix my nasal passage. It is so shit & I constantly have a stuffed nose I can’t nose breathe for shit when I sleep cuz it gets stuffy.
 
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orthochadic said:
Don't forget to chew: chewing add more widening pressure on the upper midface at the zygo level. Also the upper midface at the zygomatic buttress is the reason why in many peoples our maxillary suture never split. Chewing Does helps it.
So the more your chew, the more upper widening you will get.
And the more upper widening the more your sutures would be disturbed, so the more forward growth.
By chewing i mean heavy training so let's buy small rubber gum we find in instagram...
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So should I keep chewing my fallin gum then? Cuz I stopped since I put this in but if that’s the case I should keep doing it huh?
 
Aeons said:
They are also needed for face mask hooks though
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Yeah they were for placement & I had put hooks on for face mask but it was jus too much shit in my mouth for to handle & I kinda half assed the molar bands & hooks so they were kinda janky & I jus didn’t wanna deal w that shit & jus decided to only have the mse appliance in my mouth nothing more.
 
RecessedMaxillacel said:
So should I keep chewing my fallin gum then? Cuz I stopped since I put this in but if that’s the case I should keep doing it huh?
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Maybe the instagram chewing plastic gums is better ? dun o if fallim can stick to your appliance.
But chewing does help with the zygomatic buttres and improve the expansion rate in removable appliance for this reason bro.
 
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orthochadic said:
Maybe the instagram chewing plastic gums is better ? dun o if fallim can stick to your appliance.
But chewing does help with the zygomatic buttres and improve the expansion rate in removable appliance for this reason bro.
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I actually jus put my gum in a min ago & it’s not getting in the way, I don’t really bring the gum inside my mouth very often at all, it’s usually being chewed or outside of my teeth. So I should be good. I will definitely continue to chew then & I might actually wing over to those chews whenever I finish this box of falim
 
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Can't wait til I can add OPs face to the MSE hall of fame. Good luck, low inhib retard.

But what do you really hope to gain from this, aesthetics?
 
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RecessedMaxillacel said:
I actually jus put my gum in a min ago & it’s not getting in the way, I don’t really bring the gum inside my mouth very often at all, it’s usually being chewed or outside of my teeth. So I should be good. I will definitely continue to chew then & I might actually wing over to those chews whenever I finish this box of falim
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What is ur IPD be careful not to expand too much and fuck up ur Es ratio.
 
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RichardwillImprove said:
What is ur IPD be careful not to expand too much and fuck up ur Es ratio.
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Idk what my IPD is, I haven’t really looked into that as far as I know. Link me to something about it & I could see what mine is.
 
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RecessedMaxillacel said:
I’d be honored to be a part of it jfl. Mainly more tongue space & more nasal space. Aesthetics as well but mostly being able to breathe way easier.
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Very noble of you to go along with all this, if it goes well I'm sure you could take money under-the-table assisting incels from here to get their own MSE installed. MSE is what, 12k average from a licensed provider?

Keep us posted OP, I talk shit about MSE (for solely aesthetic gains) on here a bit but I hope it really helps you from a functional standpoint
 
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Thanks op, you have inspired me to perform bimax on myself
 
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ShineBright said:
Very noble of you to go along with all this, if it goes well I'm sure you could take money under-the-table assisting incels from here to get their own MSE installed. MSE is what, 12k average from a licensed provider?

Keep us posted OP, I talk shit about MSE (for solely aesthetic gains) on here a bit but I hope it really helps you from a functional standpoint
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I was actually thinking about that jfl. cuz I lowkey love this shit & itd be cool af to help other people with this & give them mse when cuck orthos wont. I’m fairly good when it comes to hand work & shit like this, so this process came pretty natural & easy to me tbh. I appreciate it tho man, I too hope it definitely helps me functionally. I’ll forsure keep updating on my process
 
ShineBright said:
Aaand here come the Ronny knights. My criticism of MSE has always been on people's hopes for noticeable aesthetic changes. I'm a fan of it from a functional standpoint.
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and agga provides no benefits
 
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What's your IMW (Intermolar width)?
 
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and agga provides no benefits
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That's demonstrably false.

All orthotropics are very case-specfic, and the problem with American dentistry is that most providers only do one or the other, so when you go in for a consultation they'll just tell you theirs is the better option. This leads retards on these lookism sites to believe one is better than the other in all cases.

AGGA and MSE can both positively affect air flow. Both can positively affect TMJ disorders.

While there is little documentation on either MSE or AGGA, there's still significantly more documentation for AGGA. I mean, just look at google image results for "MSE before & after", it's literally just Ronny.
 
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Aeons said:
They are also needed for face mask hooks though
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I don't recommend pulling like that because a lot of the force only goes to the teeth
 
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nelson said:
I don't recommend pulling like that because a lot of the force only goes to the teeth
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I feel that. That’s why I’m not too pressed about not having them anymore.
 
RecessedMaxillacel said:
I feel that. That’s why I’m not too pressed about not having them anymore.
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Yes, a lot of it is only moving the teeth forward which is just gonna mess stuff up. It's good that you don't have the arms because they are only there for placement. People shouldn't be pulling with them.
 
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nelson said:
Yes, a lot of it is only moving the teeth forward which is just gonna mess stuff up. It's good that you don't have the arms because they are only there for placement. People shouldn't be pulling with them.
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Fosure. Plus it’s a whole lot better without them since it’s only the mse appliance now. Less material in the mouth to get in the way & to deal with when eating, swallowing, mewing, etc.
 
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nelson said:
Yes, a lot of it is only moving the teeth forward which is just gonna mess stuff up. It's good that you don't have the arms because they are only there for placement. People shouldn't be pulling with them.
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What should people pull with then im confused.
 
If you already have a 44mm IMW, shouldn't your breathing aesthetics already be good?

or are you going for gigachad 50mm++?
 
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nelson said:
New appliance I'm designing
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Aight when do u think it will come out man im getting this shit in a month and need a way to use facemask and not fuck up my teeth.
 
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Diogenes said:
If you already have a 44mm IMW, shouldn't your breathing aesthetics already be good?

or are you going for gigachad 50mm++?
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I would think so too but apparently it’s not cuz I get stuffy noses like crazy & I can’t nasal breathe when sleepin for shit so hopefully I can get 55+mm & that’ll help tremendously with breathing
 
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RecessedMaxillacel said:
I would think so too but apparently it’s not cuz I get stuffy noses like crazy & I can’t nasal breathe when sleepin for shit so hopefully I can get 55+mm & that’ll help tremendously with breathing
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When u figure out a way to hook the bitch to the face mask let me ass know dog.
 
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nelson said:
Yes, a lot of it is only moving the teeth forward which is just gonna mess stuff up. It's good that you don't have the arms because they are only there for placement. People shouldn't be pulling with them.
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Well... no.. many, many orthodontists like won moon and dr ting use this.
 
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