My Advice On How To Stop Masturbating

[enchanted_elixir]

Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.

Help

A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

You'll relapse. I bet.

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached

A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached

@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?

Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?

Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?

Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this.

Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?

And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?

Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.

It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to

• Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
• You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.

You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)

Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.

I was thinking, what if I jerk off but without the porn? Maybe just imagining shit? Will that make it better? Or is just as bad/cope? I would say that imagining yourself POV having sex is better than watching porn.

Everytime I do it this random desire ccomes out if no where, and no matters if I resist 5 minutes or 2 hours I eventualy end up doing it at the end. And also weirder content. I just want it to stop altogheter.

Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

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dnr, but id like to ask, isn't it all just about self control and discipline, using a bunch of methods doesn't really get to the root of the issue does it?

The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.

I was thinking, what if I jerk off but without the porn? Maybe just imagining shit? Will that make it better? Or is just as bad/cope? I would say that imagining yourself POV having sex is better than watching porn.

You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.

Everytime I do it this random desire ccomes out if no where, and no matters if I resist 5 minutes or 2 hours I eventualy end up doing it at the end. And also weirder content. I just want it to stop altogheter.

Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.

First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"

that leads to

Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"

that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"

that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"

that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*

that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*

that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*

that leads to

8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*

... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*

Great high iq thread bro, I will take what you said into account.

Tbh I think I should just become super religious again, when I was I saw all this shit you were saying and didn’t do it for 6 months. I was praying every day, reading, going to church and confession often, etc. What are your thoughts on this method?

What stopped me a lot of times was just reminding myself that if I would give in it would be equivalent to spitting on the face of Christ like the Jews and nailing him to the cross, which it is. It’s such a gruelling thought too. Or I would think about how my ancestors didn’t die in a war just for their descendant to be jacking off to pixels.

Hopefully I can get that same thought process back but the addiction has gotten worse again so it’s a bit harder.

Also you’re 100% right, engaging the thoughts and trying to battle them is the worst idea ever. Sometimes I would spend a few hours battling these thoughts and would still give in eventually

The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.

There's a quote I read that went something like this.

"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."

You shouldn't be denying anything. If you're denying it, you're just restricting access to what you crave. You shouldn't be craving fapping and pornography

 

[scrunchables]

Read a little bit, will read the rest later, seems helpful thanks OP

 

[SoundnVision]

I just blocked porn so I couldn't view it and the desires gradually went away

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I just blocked porn so I couldn't view it and the desires gradually went away

When it comes back, it will probably be intense to the point where you'll disable it and you'll relapse again.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Read a little bit, will read the rest later, seems helpful thanks OP

No problem. I'll add in some more advice from time to time in the thread if necessary.

 

[SoundnVision]

When it comes back, it will probably be intense to the point where you'll disable it and you'll relapse again.

I can't disable it what would be the point of it then

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I can't disable it what would be the point of it then

Really? Can't you uninstall it?

 

[leveruis]

Ok but how do I keep my brain sexualized with real women

 

[SoundnVision]

Really? Can't you uninstall it?

No if I could it wouldn't be a blocker then would it

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Ok but how do I keep my brain sexualized with real women

You submit to your desires and let it control you when it comes to women but become detached and indifferent to pornography.
This way, you'll only subconsciously deem women as sexual stimulus, not pornography.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

No if I could it wouldn't be a blocker then would it

All blockers I've tried allows me to get rid of it.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

No if I could it wouldn't be a blocker then would it

What blocker do you use?

 

[SoundnVision]

What blocker do you use?

Detoxify.

All blockers I've tried allows me to get rid of it.

Jfl how is it a blocker if you can uninstall it when you fancy watching porn clown world

 

[´´´´´´´´]

just stop thats literally it for all drugs

 

[Deleted member 43403]

Benefits of NoFap​

Day 1 - Nothing. You're still in withdrawal and might actually feel worse.

​

Day 5 - Improved motivation and productivity.

Day 10 - Better energy and sleep.

Day 30 - Greater confidence and self-esteem. Mental clarity.

Day 60 - Increased muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity. Testosterone through the roof.

Day 120 - Higher sperm count. Increased erection strength and duration.

Day 365 - Your voice deepens and your skull becomes more chad-like. Increased erection girth and length.

Day 730 - Faster reaction time. 10 additional IQ points.

Day 1500 - Starbucks baristas start writing their numbers on your receipts. Your ex wants to get back together. You feel tempted but ultimately turn her down.

Day 3000 - You can't keep up with all your tinder matches. Strange women begin hitting on you in public. You worry about your female boss. Fortunately she keeps it professional.

Day 6000 - Ex shows up at your door crying and begging you to take her back. You don't even make eye contact—just call the police right away. Your female boss quits. She can't take it anymore and fears what she might do to you if she stays.

Day 12000 - Every swipe on tinder is a match. Even girls you swipe left get matched with you somehow. Romantic messages fill up your inbox every day—all 15gb of it—you upgrade your Gmail account to premium.

Day 30000 - You don't have to work anymore. JK Rowling signs over half of her Harry Potter royalties to you in a grand gesture of love. You tell her you can't be with her because she's too controversial. She weeps quietly. The next morning, Rowling tweets that trans women are women and Dumbledore's sexual orientation is nobody's business.

Day 60000 - Scientists propose that attraction to you be classified as its own sexual orientation, which will account for 97.5 percent of the world's population. Paradoxically, you no longer feel any sexual desire. You have achieved a higher consciousness and now love every human-being equally.

Day 100,000 - Your IQ doubles, triples, and quadruples. You come up with a workable model of quantum gravity in a rainy Sunday afternoon. Elon Musk steps down from SpaceX to work for you. You decide to put space exploration on hold to focus on achieving clean energy through nuclear fusion.

Day 200,000 - You've solved the problem of nuclear fusion. You also solved the problems of climate change, poverty, crime, and racism. You have been elected the very first President of the World.

Day 500,000 - It's been over half a million days since you last fapped. You have achieved everything, understood everything, and solved every problem faced by humanity. All that needs to be done has been done. There's nothing left to do.

You give your fellow humans one last look—they're still fapping, trapped in their primitive way—but you don't judge. The path of NoFap was never meant for the ordinary men.

"Try not to fap. But if you must, use lube." That was your parting word.

Now, released from all shackles of the mundane, and purified of all imperfections, your body ephemeralizes, as your ever-illuminated consciousness ascends into another dimension.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Detoxify.

on your phone?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Benefits of NoFap​

Day 1 - Nothing. You're still in withdrawal and might actually feel worse.

​

Day 5 - Improved motivation and productivity.

Day 10 - Better energy and sleep.

Day 30 - Greater confidence and self-esteem. Mental clarity.

Day 60 - Increased muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity. Testosterone through the roof.

Day 120 - Higher sperm count. Increased erection strength and duration.

Day 365 - Your voice deepens and your skull becomes more chad-like. Increased erection girth and length.

Day 730 - Faster reaction time. 10 additional IQ points.

Day 1500 - Starbucks baristas start writing their numbers on your receipts. Your ex wants to get back together. You feel tempted but ultimately turn her down.

Day 3000 - You can't keep up with all your tinder matches. Strange women begin hitting on you in public. You worry about your female boss. Fortunately she keeps it professional.

Day 6000 - Ex shows up at your door crying and begging you to take her back. You don't even make eye contact—just call the police right away. Your female boss quits. She can't take it anymore and fears what she might do to you if she stays.

Day 12000 - Every swipe on tinder is a match. Even girls you swipe left get matched with you somehow. Romantic messages fill up your inbox every day—all 15gb of it—you upgrade your Gmail account to premium.

Day 30000 - You don't have to work anymore. JK Rowling signs over half of her Harry Potter royalties to you in a grand gesture of love. You tell her you can't be with her because she's too controversial. She weeps quietly. The next morning, Rowling tweets that trans women are women and Dumbledore's sexual orientation is nobody's business.

Day 60000 - Scientists propose that attraction to you be classified as its own sexual orientation, which will account for 97.5 percent of the world's population. Paradoxically, you no longer feel any sexual desire. You have achieved a higher consciousness and now love every human-being equally.

Day 100,000 - Your IQ doubles, triples, and quadruples. You come up with a workable model of quantum gravity in a rainy Sunday afternoon. Elon Musk steps down from SpaceX to work for you. You decide to put space exploration on hold to focus on achieving clean energy through nuclear fusion.

Day 200,000 - You've solved the problem of nuclear fusion. You also solved the problems of climate change, poverty, crime, and racism. You have been elected the very first President of the World.

Day 500,000 - It's been over half a million days since you last fapped. You have achieved everything, understood everything, and solved every problem faced by humanity. All that needs to be done has been done. There's nothing left to do.

You give your fellow humans one last look—they're still fapping, trapped in their primitive way—but you don't judge. The path of NoFap was never meant for the ordinary men.

"Try not to fap. But if you must, use lube." That was your parting word.

Now, released from all shackles of the mundane, and purified of all imperfections, your body ephemeralizes, as your ever-illuminated consciousness ascends into another dimension.

Can't wait to get to day 500,000 lol

 

[SoundnVision]

on your phone?

Yeh

 

[Mio]

i was wondering why this nigga's threads keep getting pinned and i didn't realize he's a mod

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Yeh

You can't just uninstall it in settings?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

i was wondering why this nigga's threads keep getting pinned and i didn't realize he's a mod

I pinned it because it's helpful and would benefit people if they knew about it.

 

[SoundnVision]

You can't just uninstall it in settings?

I can uninstall the app but that doesn't remove the block.
I guess I could email the admin to stop payment but then that wouldn't be a immediate process so by the time the block had been lifted a day or two my craving would gone and I'd just start paying for the service again.

 

[R@m@]

amputate your hands

 

[NationalWarrior]

I was thinking, what if I jerk off but without the porn? Maybe just imagining shit? Will that make it better? Or is just as bad/cope? I would say that imagining yourself POV having sex is better than watching porn.

Everytime I do it this random desire ccomes out if no where, and no matters if I resist 5 minutes or 2 hours I eventualy end up doing it at the end. And also weirder content. I just want it to stop altogheter.

 

[Lookologist003]

Why would I want to stop masturbating? It's natural and I'm not getting pussy so u know. It's just so bizarre that you could be blackpilled and think that not touching your penis will alter the course of your life forever.

Benefits of NoFap​

Day 1 - Nothing. You're still in withdrawal and might actually feel worse.

​

Day 5 - Improved motivation and productivity.

Day 10 - Better energy and sleep.

Day 30 - Greater confidence and self-esteem. Mental clarity.

Day 60 - Increased muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity. Testosterone through the roof.

Day 120 - Higher sperm count. Increased erection strength and duration.

Day 365 - Your voice deepens and your skull becomes more chad-like. Increased erection girth and length.

Day 730 - Faster reaction time. 10 additional IQ points.

Day 1500 - Starbucks baristas start writing their numbers on your receipts. Your ex wants to get back together. You feel tempted but ultimately turn her down.

Day 3000 - You can't keep up with all your tinder matches. Strange women begin hitting on you in public. You worry about your female boss. Fortunately she keeps it professional.

Day 6000 - Ex shows up at your door crying and begging you to take her back. You don't even make eye contact—just call the police right away. Your female boss quits. She can't take it anymore and fears what she might do to you if she stays.

Day 12000 - Every swipe on tinder is a match. Even girls you swipe left get matched with you somehow. Romantic messages fill up your inbox every day—all 15gb of it—you upgrade your Gmail account to premium.

Day 30000 - You don't have to work anymore. JK Rowling signs over half of her Harry Potter royalties to you in a grand gesture of love. You tell her you can't be with her because she's too controversial. She weeps quietly. The next morning, Rowling tweets that trans women are women and Dumbledore's sexual orientation is nobody's business.

Day 60000 - Scientists propose that attraction to you be classified as its own sexual orientation, which will account for 97.5 percent of the world's population. Paradoxically, you no longer feel any sexual desire. You have achieved a higher consciousness and now love every human-being equally.

Day 100,000 - Your IQ doubles, triples, and quadruples. You come up with a workable model of quantum gravity in a rainy Sunday afternoon. Elon Musk steps down from SpaceX to work for you. You decide to put space exploration on hold to focus on achieving clean energy through nuclear fusion.

Day 200,000 - You've solved the problem of nuclear fusion. You also solved the problems of climate change, poverty, crime, and racism. You have been elected the very first President of the World.

Day 500,000 - It's been over half a million days since you last fapped. You have achieved everything, understood everything, and solved every problem faced by humanity. All that needs to be done has been done. There's nothing left to do.

You give your fellow humans one last look—they're still fapping, trapped in their primitive way—but you don't judge. The path of NoFap was never meant for the ordinary men.

"Try not to fap. But if you must, use lube." That was your parting word.

Now, released from all shackles of the mundane, and purified of all imperfections, your body ephemeralizes, as your ever-illuminated consciousness ascends into another dimension.

Classic copypasta.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I can uninstall the app but that doesn't remove the block.

Uninstall it, it should remove the block. Try it.

 

[sportsmogger]

Beating my BBC whilst reading this thread @enchanted_elixir

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I was thinking, what if I jerk off but without the porn? Maybe just imagining shit? Will that make it better? Or is just as bad/cope? I would say that imagining yourself POV having sex is better than watching porn.

You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.

Everytime I do it this random desire ccomes out if no where, and no matters if I resist 5 minutes or 2 hours I eventualy end up doing it at the end. And also weirder content. I just want it to stop altogheter.

Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.

First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"

that leads to

Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"

that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"

that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"

that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop worshipping white women*

that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*

that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*

that leads to

8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*

... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I was thinking, what if I jerk off but without the porn? Maybe just imagining shit? Will that make it better? Or is just as bad/cope? I would say that imagining yourself POV having sex is better than watching porn.

Everytime I do it this random desire ccomes out if no where, and no matters if I resist 5 minutes or 2 hours I eventualy end up doing it at the end. And also weirder content. I just want it to stop altogheter.

Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

 

[einzigartig]

Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.



A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached


@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?


Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?


Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?

Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.

It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to

• Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
• You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.

You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)

Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.


Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

better tip for you all

just don't do it easiest way

 

[Deleted member 11126]

I jerk off 4 times per day is that a lot?

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

You can't live without ejaculation
Absolutely quit porn though

 

[johnnymacster]

I jerk off 4 times per day is that a lot?

Your shit gon be fried eventually, you won’t be able to get hard when you see a woman.

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Your shit gon be fried eventually, you won’t be able to get hard when you see a woman.

I already can't get hard when I see a woman wdym thats normal

 

[johnnymacster]

I already can't get hard when I see a woman wdym thats normal

Well obviously just seeing a woman is not going to get you hard. I mean when you see sexual attractive things(her ass, tits,etc). Your brain will be desensitize, if you continue to fap/porn. Only fap and porn will get you hard.

 

[Deleted member 47272]

Benefits of NoFap​

Day 1 - Nothing. You're still in withdrawal and might actually feel worse.

​

Day 5 - Improved motivation and productivity.

Day 10 - Better energy and sleep.

Day 30 - Greater confidence and self-esteem. Mental clarity.

Day 60 - Increased muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity. Testosterone through the roof.

Day 120 - Higher sperm count. Increased erection strength and duration.

Day 365 - Your voice deepens and your skull becomes more chad-like. Increased erection girth and length.

Day 730 - Faster reaction time. 10 additional IQ points.

Day 1500 - Starbucks baristas start writing their numbers on your receipts. Your ex wants to get back together. You feel tempted but ultimately turn her down.

Day 3000 - You can't keep up with all your tinder matches. Strange women begin hitting on you in public. You worry about your female boss. Fortunately she keeps it professional.

Day 6000 - Ex shows up at your door crying and begging you to take her back. You don't even make eye contact—just call the police right away. Your female boss quits. She can't take it anymore and fears what she might do to you if she stays.

Day 12000 - Every swipe on tinder is a match. Even girls you swipe left get matched with you somehow. Romantic messages fill up your inbox every day—all 15gb of it—you upgrade your Gmail account to premium.

Day 30000 - You don't have to work anymore. JK Rowling signs over half of her Harry Potter royalties to you in a grand gesture of love. You tell her you can't be with her because she's too controversial. She weeps quietly. The next morning, Rowling tweets that trans women are women and Dumbledore's sexual orientation is nobody's business.

Day 60000 - Scientists propose that attraction to you be classified as its own sexual orientation, which will account for 97.5 percent of the world's population. Paradoxically, you no longer feel any sexual desire. You have achieved a higher consciousness and now love every human-being equally.

Day 100,000 - Your IQ doubles, triples, and quadruples. You come up with a workable model of quantum gravity in a rainy Sunday afternoon. Elon Musk steps down from SpaceX to work for you. You decide to put space exploration on hold to focus on achieving clean energy through nuclear fusion.

Day 200,000 - You've solved the problem of nuclear fusion. You also solved the problems of climate change, poverty, crime, and racism. You have been elected the very first President of the World.

Day 500,000 - It's been over half a million days since you last fapped. You have achieved everything, understood everything, and solved every problem faced by humanity. All that needs to be done has been done. There's nothing left to do.

You give your fellow humans one last look—they're still fapping, trapped in their primitive way—but you don't judge. The path of NoFap was never meant for the ordinary men.

"Try not to fap. But if you must, use lube." That was your parting word.

Now, released from all shackles of the mundane, and purified of all imperfections, your body ephemeralizes, as your ever-illuminated consciousness ascends into another dimension.

No Fap until Infinity @KING REIDYZ

 

[Kristin]

Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.



A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached


@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?


Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?


Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?

Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.

It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to

• Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
• You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.

You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)

Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.


Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

Thanks for actually making quality content and threads on here no glaze

Even if this doesn’t work for some coomers as long as it helps one person that’s all that matters

 

[Deleted member 47272]

Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.



A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached


@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?


Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?


Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?

Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.

It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to

• Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
• You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.

You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)

Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.


Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

Fact: 80% of ppl dnrd and they bookmarked every @enchanted_elixir botb but they never read because of their laziness.
Why they have so laziness?
-Because they can't escape from masturbation. That's why they have too much laziness

 

[SoundnVision]

Uninstall it, it should remove the block. Try it.

It does not, if It did then it's not a blocker is it?
Bro I've got a porn blocker so I don't fap!
If I wanna watch porn though I just uninstall it then I can watch it again !
it's fucking brilliant! Haha !

 

[incelmogger]

Great high iq thread bro, I will take what you said into account.

Tbh I think I should just become super religious again, when I was I saw all this shit you were saying and didn’t do it for 6 months. I was praying every day, reading, going to church and confession often, etc. What are your thoughts on this method?

What stopped me a lot of times was just reminding myself that if I would give in it would be equivalent to spitting on the face of Christ like the Jews and nailing him to the cross, which it is. It’s such a gruelling thought too. Or I would think about how my ancestors didn’t die in a war just for their descendant to be jacking off to pixels.

Hopefully I can get that same thought process back but the addiction has gotten worse again so it’s a bit harder.

Also you’re 100% right, engaging the thoughts and trying to battle them is the worst idea ever. Sometimes I would spend a few hours battling these thoughts and would still give in eventually

 

[chefdomino]

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Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.



A comment I posted on the following thread:

just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now

i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF

looksmax.org

Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.

Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.

Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.

An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.

Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.

Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.

To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.


Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.

Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.

If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.

• Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
• Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
• You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
• The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.

It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.


Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached


@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?


Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?


Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?

Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.

It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to

• Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
• You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.

You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)

Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.


Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.

You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.

If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.

dnr, but id like to ask, isn't it all just about self control and discipline, using a bunch of methods doesn't really get to the root of the issue does it?

 

[incelmogger]

All blockers I've tried allows me to get rid of it.

Same, even covenant eyes

 

[enchanted_elixir]

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dnr, but id like to ask, isn't it all just about self control and discipline, using a bunch of methods doesn't really get to the root of the issue does it?

The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

You can't live without ejaculation

yeah you can

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

yeah you can

No you can't
Even if you hold it back your body will always find a way to expell it

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Great high iq thread bro, I will take what you said into account.

Tbh I think I should just become super religious again, when I was I saw all this shit you were saying and didn’t do it for 6 months. I was praying every day, reading, going to church and confession often, etc. What are your thoughts on this method?

What stopped me a lot of times was just reminding myself that if I would give in it would be equivalent to spitting on the face of Christ like the Jews and nailing him to the cross, which it is. It’s such a gruelling thought too. Or I would think about how my ancestors didn’t die in a war just for their descendant to be jacking off to pixels.

Hopefully I can get that same thought process back but the addiction has gotten worse again so it’s a bit harder.

Also you’re 100% right, engaging the thoughts and trying to battle them is the worst idea ever. Sometimes I would spend a few hours battling these thoughts and would still give in eventually

The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.

There's a quote I read that went something like this.

"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."

 

[enchanted_elixir]

No you can't
Even if you hold it back your body will always find a way to expell it

I have the capability of waking up in the middle of the night to squeeze my pelvic floor so it doesn't go out.

 

[incelmogger]

The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.

There's a quote I read that went something like this.

"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."

Ngl for a long ass time I didn’t even have the desire but one fucking time 6 months later it just hit me like a train. Is the only solution just always staying busy as fuck or having actual sex?

 

[KING REIDYZ]

No Fap until Infinity @KING REIDYZ

Yes I’m still on NNN but not NOFAP

 

[RAMU KAKA]

W thread, read every word, is this method derived from the book easy peasy?