My MARPE Before and After - Stronger/Higher Cheekbones and Upturned Orbitals

[slaters]

yes

Your orbitals got wider as in you have more white show in your eyes now?

 

[RecessedCel5]

It actually lengthens your maxilla a bit.

lifefuel, for my compact midface

 

[RecessedCel5]

It actually lengthens your maxilla a bit.

i will get 5-6mm, would that be enough to get wider cheekbones ?

 

[ActualMax]

i will get 5-6mm, would that be enough to get wider cheekbones ?

Yes, you will definitely notice a difference.

Your orbitals got wider as in you have more white show in your eyes now?

Don't think so. I already have pretty nice hunter almond eyes so I think that helps me with that.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Yes it's available now.

does it only provide facial width? any other aesthetic benefits? do you think the improvements are worth it?

 

[BoneJovi]

Grats man. Just watch out, SARPE won't get you cheekbone gains or nearly as much nasal breathing gains. Have you tried expanding without surgical assist yet?

I wana do it to fix a tiny little recession of my maxilla and premaxilla how much mm would I need for the maxilla to rotate that bit?

 

[ActualMax]

I wana do it to fix a tiny little recession of my maxilla and premaxilla how much mm would I need for the maxilla to rotate that bit?

No idea unfortunately

 

[crabhi]

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Ask me anything.

Nasal breathing gains are the best part.

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

this kinda gives me hope i did marpe and saw a very small gap like not even that big and i didnt thing i got much expansion but i think it happened inside my skull and it just showed some of the affect on the gap. i thought how big the gap between my teeth is how big the expansion is

 

[monecel]

Yeah, you could probably due with a bit of expansion to fix ur buccal corridors. All expansion is limited by the width of your mandible, so if you feel like you have some room to expand, then go for it.

telling an african to get MARPE is almost sabotage, but I'm not going to act like I don't support it

 

[ziyessh]

Hello bro my cheek bone is not that bad but my palate is narrow also I can placed my tounge on . My main concern is enhancing cheekbones which maybe also help in hunter eyes and nasal breathing will better where did you done your surgery? And how much cost it takes and braces is required after that . And and most importantly in which way you asked ur doctor to do that like if I go to and if I say I wanna make my cheekbones wider he will humiliated me in 100 langauge help brother

 

[hungrythanos414]

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Ask me anything.

Nasal breathing gains are the best part.

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

One more question( I asked one before ) but I basically asked a Ortha for a palate expander and they said no, not at your age (I am 17-18) . They said bc the stuture is closed, it wouldn’t work and you would need a surgical way of opening it. Is that what you did? Or is that not the case and could u still get a pallate expander at 18?

 

[ActualMax]

One more question( I asked one before ) but I basically asked a Ortha for a palate expander and they said no, not at your age (I am 17-18) . They said bc the stuture is closed, it wouldn’t work and you would need a surgical way of opening it. Is that what you did? Or is that not the case and could u still get a pallate expander at 18?

You can probably get the suture to split at your age. I'm 25 and it split for me with no surgical assist.

 

[zaebalsya]

5mm

how long did it take to expand by 5mm?
and how long did it take to close the gap
how much did u pay?

 

[ActualMax]

how long did it take to expand by 5mm?
and how long did it take to close the gap
how much did u pay?

Took me 3 months to expand.

I wore invisalign throughout the whole process, so no real "gap", but the teeth got rotated, which didn't look great but the invisalign would hide it.

All orthodontics essentially wrapped up around month 8 for me.

Total, probably paid like 15k (6k for MARPE, 9k for ortho).

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

When you expand, the maxilla halves don't just go perfectly side to side, they rotate a bit. With this in mind, the center of that rotation goes down while the edges (the cheekbones/orbitals as shown above) rotate upward.

Hope that makes sense.

could you circumvent this by mew mewing ? i know mewing in adults doesn't do shit but surely when your maxila splits that little bit of force can prevent the lengthening?

 

[ActualMax]

Highly doubt it

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Nope. No surgical assist.

not even corticopunctures??? damn bro you are convincing me even more now

 

[ActualMax]

Here is an updated, higher quality before and after of my skull after MARPE.

Left is before, right is after.

And keep the questions coming.

 

[zaebalsya]

What do u think abt maxillary expansion with facemask?

 

[muragoat]

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Here is an updated, higher quality before and after of my skull after MARPE.

Left is before, right is after.

And keep the questions coming.

do u have nct?

 

[ActualMax]

What do u think abt maxillary expansion with facemask?

There's a lot of debate around it. Some people say it does nothing and that any forward growth that people get through facemask is just through the natural amount of forward growth you get while doing expansion because you do indeed get some forward growth (little though) with palatal expansion.

IMO, if you are going hardcore with a facemask like 22 hours a day, there will definitely be a difference, but you need to be so consistent so that the bones that conjoin the sutures at the cheebones and at the top of the nose can actually HEAL to keep your gains. Honestly, I wouldn't bother with it, just go with jaw surgery later on to get that forward growth, which is my plan. Hope that helps.

do u have nct?

Yes, I do have NCT, but I feel like they have become more positively tilted after expansion, but I could be crazy. I've had it since birth, but my eyes still look very good, people like them.

 

[MrEnigma_]

There's a lot of debate around it. Some people say it does nothing and that any forward growth that people get through facemask is just through the natural amount of forward growth you get while doing expansion because you do indeed get some forward growth (little though) with palatal expansion.

IMO, if you are going hardcore with a facemask like 22 hours a day, there will definitely be a difference, but you need to be so consistent so that the bones that conjoin the sutures at the cheebones and at the top of the nose can actually HEAL to keep your gains. Honestly, I wouldn't bother with it, just go with jaw surgery later on to get that forward growth, which is my plan. Hope that helps.


Yes, I do have NCT, but I feel like they have become more positively tilted after expansion, but I could be crazy. I've had it since birth, but my eyes still look very good, people like them.

Earlier you said that the orbitals, i assume you're refering to the infra orbitals, tilt upwards what did you mean by this from what i understand the maxilla comes down as it rotates from the top at the nasal boes, when it widens the midface the lower orbits drop for this reason, Jawhacks had a video explaining it.

So what do you mean the infra-orbitals tilt upward?

I assume they would drop noticeably which is largely a negative for a good eye region

 

[ActualMax]

Earlier you said that the orbitals, i assume you're refering to the infra orbitals, tilt upwards what did you mean by this from what i understand the maxilla comes down as it rotates from the top at the nasal boes, when it widens the midface the lower orbits drop for this reason, Jawhacks had a video explaining it.

So what do you mean the infra-orbitals tilt upward?

I assume they would drop noticeably which is largely a negative for a good eye region

The outer lower edges of the orbitals rotate upwards.

 

[MrEnigma_]

The outer lower edges of the orbitals rotate upwards.

I've just checked the mechanics of the MARPEs and while it is possible that the orbits rotate its a very small amount and these things are usually seen at 7mm plus of expansion and usually only detectable on CBCT imaging even then

Is your orbital rotation noticeable to the naked eye or is it only measured through imaging?

When a MARPE splits the suture it breaks at the weakest point wherever that might be and effectively rotates from that point while also translating laterally this causes the zygomas to push out and up as they are also pulled by the temporal and frontal bones the zygomaxillary area then also moves upward along with the zygos. MARPE also causes dis-articulation from the skull base pushing the bones slightly forward in expansion. Its therefore possible to get orbital ccw but I'm just surprised that this was anything of note in your case

Usually you'd need greater expansion and other effects would neuter it

Did your suture first split in the anterior or posterior portion? This might indicate why the orbits did a CCW

 

[ActualMax]

I've just checked the mechanics of the MARPEs and while it is possible that the orbits rotate its a very small amount and these things are usually seen at 7mm plus of expansion and usually only detectable on CBCT imaging even then

Is your orbital rotation noticeable to the naked eye or is it only measured through imaging?

When a MARPE splits the suture it breaks at the weakest point wherever that might be and effectively rotates from that point while also translating laterally this causes the zygomas to push out and up as they are also pulled by the temporal and frontal bones the zygomaxillary area then also moves upward along with the zygos. MARPE also causes dis-articulation from the skull base pushing the bones slightly forward in expansion. Its therefore possible to get orbital ccw but I'm just surprised that this was anything of note in your case

Usually you'd need greater expansion and other effects would neuter it

Did your suture first split in the anterior or posterior portion? This might indicate why the orbits did a CCW

Not entirely sure since the whole process took so long, but I'd say it had somewhat of an impact on my eyes yes.

The most noticeable and personally appreciated gains from the MARPE above all were the improvement in nasal breathing and cheekbone expansion.

I have no idea where the suture first split, but I'm assuming it split first in the front because there is ever so slightly more expansion at the front of my palate than the back.