Name one good argument against roping

[Deleted member 14693]

Duh. I sin everyday. Like, every muslim does it.

Then just stop if you are so supposedly afraid of hell. You clearly aren't

 

[Deleted member 30884]

Yeah, but thats colletaral reason which I understand but I was talking arguments applied to yourself

The same would happen as a non-believer in all the religions

Well, if you go to hell you'll have some other billions of people with you there according to every religion and their sins.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

So killing animals for eating pleasure (some animals aren't needed for food) is evil?

I don’t believe so

 

[Deleted member 30884]

That’s what Muslim means. That you’re a saint. He is no saint. Therefore he isn’t Muslim. Much like those 2 billion people. I’m not arguing they’re not Islamic, I’m only stating a fact: they’re / we’re not saints.

You're the only true saint(I think you stole the launch money of 3 kids yesterday)

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Hahaha, this proves my point even more. So what if you never said it? Does it change my statement at hand? Knowledge is power my friend, knowledge is power.

You called me a "pseudo-intellectual"

Please look up the definition of pseudo

You can't be a pseudo smth if you never pretendet to be it.

 

[Gengar]

You're the only true saint(I think you stole the launch money of 3 kids yesterday)

Incel saint:
Religious saint:

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I don’t believe so

Okay, wheres the difference in satisfying your culinaric urges by eating endangered species or smth opposed to satisfying your urge to kill and torture (mentally ill people have this urge, I don't obviously)

 

[Deleted member 30884]

Incel saint:
Religious saint:

The saint of looksmax.org

 

[Gengar]

and I’ll go to hell if I kys so what’s the point.

I’m going there anyway.

 

[Gengar]

The saint of looksmax.org

Brb, putting this on my resume.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

That’s what Muslim means. That you’re a saint. He is no saint. Therefore he isn’t Muslim. Much like those 2 billion people. I’m not arguing they’re not Islamic, I’m only stating a fact: they’re / we’re not saints.

Nah muslim just means ur a follower of Islam. Wali is a saint

 

[Deleted member 22623]

What are the arguments FOR roping?

 

[Gengar]

Nah muslim just means ur a follower of Islam. Wali is a saint

No. Wali is translated as “friend of God.” Muslim means “the one who submits.” Submitting, in the Islamic context, means being free of sins.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

What are the arguments FOR roping?

You don't desire to live anymore so you decide to end your life.

 

[Gengar]

What are the arguments FOR roping?

- speeding up the process of going to hell

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

yeah i guess he sort of is. It's an interesting point of view, tho.

but it's not that the mother is deluding the child, it's moreso that her feelings themselves are an illusion within her own psyche.

I don’t believe that, across species mothers mourn the loss of children

 

[Gengar]

It’s a nihilistic viewpoint that argues life has no meaning. Even animals don’t commit suicide, life is primarily about survival and reproduction. But as humans we’re fortunate in that we can create more meaning than that. But we’re unfortunate in that we overthink the meaning of everything

I don’t believe it’s inherently nihilistic to argue that life has no meaning. It can even be justified from an Islamic point of view. This world is only temporary, so life does not have any intrinsic meaning. It is the afterlife that matters. Therefore, this worldly life is irrelevant. What matters is how you decide to spend your years here. Do well and hope that God will be good to you. Do bad and well, we already know what will happen.

 

[DelonLover1999]

I don’t believe that, across species mothers mourn the loss of children

That doesn't mean it's not an 'illusion'.

But i get it. You're just not an existentialist, and that's perfectly fine.
I don't even know if I am one myself tbh, it's just an interesting way to think about life.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

No. Wali is translated as “friend of God.” Muslim means “the one who submits.” Submitting, in the Islamic context, means being free of sins.

If allah is forgiving of sin than a true Muslim can sin. Only a saint/wali cant

 

[Deleted member 22623]

You don't desire to live anymore so you decide to end your life.

But then conversely wouldn’t desiring to live your life, and therefore not roping, be an individual reason as well?

 

[Deleted member 22623]

- speeding up the process of going to hell

>Michaelsoft Employer.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

But then conversely wouldn’t desiring to live your life, and therefore not roping, be an individual reason as well?

Yeah, but people who are suicidal don't have a desire to live, so you can't come with that argument when trying to stop them from roping.

 

[Deleted member 22623]

Yeah, but people who are suicidal don't have a desire to live, so you can't come with that argument when trying to stop them from roping.

Well, yes, true. Maybe I’m retarded but I don’t understand if it’s not just a moot point. Because you can’t convince people who desire to live to rope either if you yourself want to commit suicide

 

[Gengar]

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You literally proved my point, well done. Wali means friend of God.

And I already know newborns and children are sin-free. I was talking about adults.

 

[Gengar]

>Michaelsoft Employer.

Saar! You want a job?

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

You literally proved my point, well done. Wali means friend of God.

And I already know newborns and children are sin-free. I was talking about adults.

Yeh to “describe a saint or holy person”

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Yeh to “describe a saint or holy person”

Why would a muslim who genuinly fears god sin.

It doesn't make sense.

When someone holds a gun to my head I do everything he says, no matter how bad it feels for me.

So if you sin you don't truly fear and serve god.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Why would a muslim who genuinly fears god sin.

It doesn't make sense.

When someone holds a gun to my head I do everything he says, no matter how bad it feels for me.

So if you sin you don't truly fear and serve god.

Because humans are imperfect and fall to prey to carnal desires. If sins can be forgiven it’s not life or death like having a gun to your head. Ofc they still serve god because they repent asking for forgiveness

 

[Gengar]

Yeh to “describe a saint or holy person”

I only said what wali meant. You gave a wrong translation. I gave the correct one.

Plus, my focus point was the word Muslim not being applicable to any one of us.

Are you a virgin, by the way? I notice it’s the biggest degenerates who get the most offended when I simply point out to the fact none of us are deserving to be called submitters to God because all of sin.

Even using curse words is called a sin, mind you. There’s just too many requirements that bars people from being able to use the Muslim title.

 

[Gengar]

Why would a muslim who genuinly fears god sin.

It doesn't make sense.

When someone holds a gun to my head I do everything he says, no matter how bad it feels for me.

So if you sin you don't truly fear and serve god.

You are 100% correct. It’s funny how it’s always muzzies who argue with me and refuse to accept it.

Why? Because they don’t like to hear the truth. Their ego stops them from accepting it.

And it is funnily enough the ego of mankind that God does not like, yet they are consistent with their ego.

The duality of man!

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Because humans are imperfect and fall to prey to carnal desires. If sins can be forgiven it’s not life or death

Torture in hell is arguably worse then death but humans are incabable of truly fearing and believing in it so they don't realize the magnitude of the situation that would go down in hell.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Torture in hell is arguably worse then death but humans are incabable of truly fearing and believing in it so they don't realize the magnitude of the situation that would go down in hell.

Ofc they still serve god because they repent asking for forgiveness. If u don’t fear or serve somebody would u grovel at their feet and prey for forgiveness?

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

I only said what wali meant. You gave a wrong translation. I gave the correct one.

Plus, my focus point was the word Muslim not being applicable to any one of us.

Are you a virgin, by the way? I notice it’s the biggest degenerates who get the most offended when I simply point out to the fact none of us are deserving to be called submitters to God because all of sin.

Even using curse words is called a sin, mind you. There’s just too many requirements that bars people from being able to use the Muslim title.

Yeh the translation and what it means/is synonymous with. I’m not a virgin but I don’t believe in government mandated marriage. It’s an easy way to lose half ur assets to an evil woman

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Ofc they still serve god because they repent asking for forgiveness. If u don’t fear or serve somebody would u grovel at their feet and prey for forgiveness?

If I would fear and serve someone I woulnd't anger them in the first place, especially not the same sins a million times in my life.

That forgiveness is just a cope by the mind to not feel to bad about it.

Thats like a men who cheats on his girlfriend and when she leaves him he begs her for forgiveness and that she stays.

After the 5th she not gonna believe anymore that these pleeds are sincere, cause they obviously aren'T

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Also why tf are you muslim now didn't you say you should follow the religion that the media and evil people put down all the time @ShowerMaxxing

Thought you meant Christianity. If you insult muslims you put down immediatly, but pissing on Jesus is alright.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

If I would fear and serve someone I woulnd't anger them in the first place, especially not the same sins a million times in my life.

That forgiveness is just a cope by the mind to not feel to bad about it.

Thats like a men who cheats on his girlfriend and when she leaves him he begs her for forgiveness and that she stays.

After the 5th she not gonna believe anymore that these pleeds are sincere, cause they obviously aren'T

Yeh ofc if u keep doing it u should pay the piper and imo some sins should void ur chance of forgiveness entirely

 

[Gengar]

Yeh the translation and what it means/is synonymous with. I’m not a virgin but I don’t believe in government mandated marriage. It’s an easy way to lose half ur assets to an evil woman

Well, I was right about the translation. People misuse words all the time, see the words “pedo” for a 21 year old liking a 17 year old or “Muslim” for muzzies who all do things that aren’t allowed. Also, I assume you are Islamic (hence why you’re arguing with me) but you can’t be anti-marriage while being Islamic. In Islamic societies, they will tell you “marriage is half of faith.” Therefore, you can’t be opposed to marriage. (That’s not to say you can’t be opposed to marrying a bad woman, but a bad woman is for a bad man, and a good woman is for a good man, just like the Qu’ran says. Although nowadays, good men get with bad women (they LARP as good) and good women get with bad men (they look good usually).

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Also why tf are you muslim now didn't you say you should follow the religion that the media and evil people put down all the time @ShowerMaxxing

Thought you meant Christianity. If you insult muslims you put down immediatly, but pissing on Jesus is alright.

I’m neither officially, agnostic I suppose. But I’m leaning towards Christianity and will likely become one

Muslims are propped up by the media and supported heavily. Christian’s are clowned on and demonized

Here’s an example

Christ is King

Jewgle

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I’m neither officially, agnostic I suppose. But I’m leaning towards Christianity and will likely become one

Muslims are propped up by the media and supported heavily. Christian’s are clowned on and made fun of

Here’s an example

Christ is King

Jewgle

looksmax.org

Oh, alright. After your discussion with @TRUE_CEL I assumed you were muslim.

 

[Gengar]

Oh, alright. After your discussion with @TRUE_CEL I assumed you were muslim.

I thought so too. I wonder what his point was to argue me about what the meaning of the word Muslim.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Well, I was right about the translation. People misuse words all the time, see the words “pedo” for a 21 year old liking a 17 year old or “Muslim” for muzzies who all do things that aren’t allowed. Also, I assume you are Islamic (hence why you’re arguing with me) but you can’t be anti-marriage while being Islamic. In Islamic societies, they will tell you “marriage is half of faith.” Therefore, you can’t be opposed to marriage. (That’s not to say you can’t be opposed to marrying a bad woman, but a bad woman is for a bad man, and a good woman is for a good man, just like the Qu’ran says. Although nowadays, good men get with bad women (they LARP as good) and good women get with bad men (they look good usually).

I’m not Islamic, I disagree with the Qu’ran suggesting bad men/women and good men/women get together. I’m blackpilled like you and believe people get together with who they can not who they should

 

[Gengar]

I’m not Islamic, I disagree with the Qu’ran suggesting bad men/women and good men/women get together. I’m blackpilled like you and believe people get together with who they can

Okay, that makes sense. Then I can see your point of views and I can’t use Islam as a reason why you should or should not have certain beliefs pertaining to Islamic values and such.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

I thought so too. I wonder what his point was to argue me about what the meaning of the word Muslim.

I mean u were saying a true Muslim cannot sin. But I feel that only applies to saints not followers of allah

 

[Gengar]

I mean u were saying a true Muslim cannot sin. But if feel that only applies to saints not followers of allah

The only one I would call a Muslim are the prophets (peace be upon them). If they did something they did something God did not like, it was due to ignorance and not knowledge of what they’re doing is bad. That’s different with modern-day muzzies. Whether someone was considered by people a wali or not, they could still be prone to sins. After all, I don’t believe in walis. The topic of walis is also a controversial debate. For instance, who decides who God’s friend is? Unless there is any sort of proof (the Qur’an, authentic ahadiths), no one can claim anyone post-7th century is a friend of God as there is no proof. This is why Sufis have people who don’t like them such as Salafists. I don’t like salafists either, but I do believe that it is not possible to say anyone in the modern age is a “friend of God.”

 

[whiteissuperior]

Yeah, but thats colletaral reason which I understand but I was talking arguments applied to yourself

The same would happen as a non-believer in all the religions

Yea so may as well pick a religion thug that shit out and gamble it

 

[Deleted member 19442]

That’s because the rich and powerful evil people in this world make life hell on earth. Turning us all into wageslave drones addicted and reliant on cheap grain slop, media and technology

Ofc work is horrible when u have limited breaks/long hrs, isn’t fulfilling and not out of self interest or the benefit of a commune

You can touch grass in your spare time

 

[Deleted member 16288]

Some good copes

 

[Clown Show]

Your enemies will spit on your grave and mock your loved ones.

 

[cloudburst]

Copious amounts of DMT under the sunset

 

[Fforsaken_11]

We still had a morality. Genocide on your own people was also immoral. Just cause things that are immoral nowadays weren't then doesn't mean they had no morality.

Morality is just the set of culturaö beliefs of good and bad behaviour. Just cause the things you consider immoral cause of your culture and upbringing weren't present doesn't mean that they didn't have any.

Also the Jews had morality before the religion that you consider to be true (Islam) so it doesn't make sense either but thats just you.

As said before, it can shift even with religion. Our morals nowadays are vastly different then they were in the past.

Also you are confusing morality with ethics.

Amen brother,

I wanted to give Op some advice but after reading your posts in this thread, I couldn't have put it better.

There are some great users on this site seriously.