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In the first place we should try to answer the question "Why do humans age so badly?":

"There is much debate among researchers about the mechanisms that contribute to the ageing process. However, it is widely accepted that damage to genetic material, cells and tissues that accumulates with age and cannot be repaired by the body is the cause of the loss of function associated with ageing."

Also "Is the way you will age genetic and predetermined?"

"Aging is a multifactorial process that is determined by genetic and environmental factors."

"Eating well, not drinking too much alcohol, avoiding tobacco, and staying physically active enable some individuals to attain a healthy old age; genetics then appears to play a progressively important role in keeping individuals healthy as they age into their eighties and beyond."

"The DNA damage theory of aging proposes that aging is a consequence of unrepaired accumulation of naturally occurring DNA damage. Damage in this context is a DNA alteration that has an abnormal structure."


So the answer is that ageing patterns are in fact genetic and that human ageing process is so reprehensive because of the genetical makeup of the human beings. Let us now enter the rabbit hole that will explain why human ageing process is so agonizing and why human prime is so short and fast fleeing.


The longevity bottleneck hypothesis: Could dinosaurs have shaped ageing in present-day mammals?​


by João Pedro de Magalhães
First published: 28 November 2023

Abstract​

The evolution and biodiversity of ageing have long fascinated scientists and the public alike. While mammals, including long-lived species such as humans, show a marked ageing process, some species of reptiles and amphibians exhibit very slow and even the absence of ageing phenotypes. How can reptiles and other vertebrates age slower than mammals? Herein, I propose that evolving during the rule of the dinosaurs left a lasting legacy in mammals. For over 100 million years when dinosaurs were the dominant predators, mammals were generally small, nocturnal, and short-lived. My hypothesis is that such a long evolutionary pressure on early mammals for rapid reproduction led to the loss or inactivation of genes and pathways associated with long life. I call this the ‘longevity bottleneck hypothesis’, which is further supported by the absence in mammals of regenerative traits. Although mammals, such as humans, can evolve long lifespans, they do so under constraints dating to the dinosaur era.

INTRODUCTION​

How ageing – a detrimental phenotype that results in loss of function, degeneration and ultimately reproductive senescence and death – evolved has long fascinated scientists, and can be explained by the fading force of natural selection with age. Because the greatest contribution to the next generation comes from young animals, selection favours alleles that confer survival at younger ages and reproductive fitness rather than survival at later ages. Species in different environments, in particular in regard to extrinsic mortality, must then evolve different life history strategies. A mouse or a vole with high extrinsic mortality and a short lifespan will need to grow and mature very quickly if it is to reproduce, a so-called fast life-history; and if a given mutation, for example, causes cancer in 2-year-old mice it is unlikely to be selected against.
Although estimating the pace of ageing is not trivial, across populations it is possible to calculate the demographic rate of ageing, the rate at which mortality increases with age, which can be used for species comparisons. Interestingly, a number of studies in recent years have shown very slow demographic ageing, and even numerous cases of negligible senescence, in dozens of species of reptiles, including many turtles, and in amphibians.This is in stark contrast to what is observed in mammals that suffer from a clear and rapid degeneration. Indeed, an exponential increase in mortality with age is a hallmark of mammalian ageing, unlike what is observed in other taxa where a greater diversity of demographic ageing rates is observed. As such, when compared to reptiles, there is an absence of very slow ageing mammals and no evidence of negligible senescence, but why?

THE LONGEVITY BOTTLENECK HYPOTHESIS​

One hypothesis is that the unique mammalian evolutionary history during the time of the dinosaurs shaped present-day mammalian ageing phenotypes. In addition to a slower rate of ageing, reptiles and amphibians feature traits largely absent from mammals, like oocyte regeneration, limb regeneration, continuous tooth replacement and cancer resistance. By contrast, reproductive senescence and post-reproductive lifespans are common in mammals.[13] Therefore, it is not just that our closely related taxa can exhibit a slower rate of demographic ageing, it seems that the ageing phenotype is more marked in mammals, even in long-lived species like humans.
While fast ageing species can be found amongst reptiles, birds, amphibians and mammals, the slowest ageing species are non-mammals . Indeed, examples of amphibians, fishes and reptiles exhibiting negligible senescence have been reported, but no mammal. (Naked mole rats have been touted as exhibiting negligible senescence, yet they show ageing changes like skin ageing, sarcopenia and kyphosis, and exhibit epigenetic ageing.) It is plausible that all vertebrate species eventually age, and there might be biases in scientists studying mammals more than other taxa that result in mammalian ageing phenotypes being more characterised. Nonetheless, in studies spanning decades both in the wild and in captivity, rates of demographic ageing in some species of reptiles are lower than observed in any mammal; not even long-lived humans age so slowly. Using data from a recent study, it is clear that fast and slow ageing species can be found in all taxa, yet mammals are conspicuously absent amongst the slowest ageing and negligible senescence species, particularly when compared to reptiles
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FIGURE 1

Distribution of rates of ageing (A) and rates of ageing versus longevity (B) for birds (yellow; n = 8), mammals (red; n = 14), amphibians (green; n = 3) and reptiles (blue; n = 20). Rate of ageing based on estimates of demographic ageing from ref. , filtered for species with a longevity of at least 20 years. Longevity refers to adult maximum longevity, as defined by ref. . Figure created with RAWGraphs.
Mammals evolved from synapsids, reptile-like animals that included large predators like the Dimetrodon, 300–250 million years ago (mya). Dinosaurs first appeared in the Triassic period and became the dominant terrestrial vertebrate during the Jurassic (200 mya) until their mass extinction at the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary 66 mya . It is a subject of debate when the first mammals appeared, but eutherians diverged from monotremes and marsupials about 180 and 160 mya, respectively. Although many extinct lineages of early mammals diversified, including larger sizes, by and large early mammals during the time of the dinosaurs were preyed upon and therefore small, nocturnal, short-lived animals. Indeed, ancestral eutherians have been estimated to weight between 6 and 245 g and were likely insectivorous. Therefore, due to predation, the ancestors of modern mammals spent more than 100 million years during the dinosaur-era as small, short-lived animals
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The evolution of mammals and the longevity bottleneck hypothesis. Synapsids, reptile-like ancestors to mammals, diverged from sauropsids, the ancestors to dinosaurs, birds and reptiles, over 300 mya. After the Triassic–Jurassic extinction event, about 200 mya, dinosaurs became the dominant predators. By contrast, mammals survived by becoming small nocturnal insectivores, but growing in size once the dinosaurs disappeared, after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, about 66 mya. The longevity bottleneck hypothesis states that early mammals spending over 100 million years as small, short-lived animals led to gene loss or inactivation of traits associated with longevity and left a legacy that is observed in the marked ageing phenotype of modern mammals, in particular in long-lived species such as humans. Figure inspired by ref. EE, extinction event. The Cenozoic is featured for simplicity but encompasses three periods (Paleogene, Neogene and Quaternary). Silhouettes from phylopic.org.
The long evolutionary pressure on early mammals for a fast life-history and rapid reproduction resulted, I hypothesise, in the loss or inactivation of genes and processes related to repair and regenerative mechanisms. In other words, the short-lived, rapidly reproducing early mammals lost traits associated with long life. This may or may not have happened in all early mammals, but I propose it occurred in the ancestral lineage leading to modern mammals. Remarkably, there is molecular evidence in support of this hypothesis in the form of the photolyase DNA protection system that was lost in the eutherian mammalian lineage during the time of the dinosaurs. Inspired by the ‘nocturnal bottleneck hypothesis’, which states that the early evolution of mammals under the reign of the dinosaurs left a lasting legacy on the anatomy and physiology of present-day mammals, I put forward the ‘longevity bottleneck hypothesis’. My hypothesis is that modern mammals – particularly long-lived species – age more markedly and rapidly than reptiles, birds or amphibians because of our unique evolutionary history during the time of the dinosaurs.
Once the dinosaurs disappeared and mammals became the dominant terrestrial vertebrate, mammals diversified to fill many ecological niches and were able to grow in size. For example, the earliest fossil record of primates, purgatoriids that lived shortly after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event that destroyed the dinosaurs, suggests a small body size and a reliance on insects. By contrast, abundant fossil and phylogenetic evidence shows that after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event there was a rapid diversification and increase in mammalian body size, which one study estimated levelled off 40 mya. Interestingly, pantodonts, the first mammals 62 mya to achieve a large size (∼42 kg) lived at a fast pace as they have been estimated to have a shorter lifespan than expected for their body size which in light of the longevity bottleneck hypothesis is tempting to speculate resulted from their evolution from small, short-lived ancestors.
In the over 60 million years since the extinction of the dinosaurs, the diversification of mammals resulted in a huge variety of species with fast and slow life histories, including many large, long-lived species, like elephants, whales and humans. Clearly, extinct and extant mammals have evolved amazing traits and adaptations, including longevity and tumour suppression mechanisms; yet I argue that this occurred under constraints that are remnants from the time of the dinosaurs, as evidenced that even the longest-lived mammals, such as humans, age faster than many reptiles. The importance of constraints in evolution has long been recognised but often also overlooked in lieu of the role of adaptation, including in the context of ageing. Here, I make the case that some ageing phenotypes of modern mammals, such as reproductive senescence and tooth erosion, as well as the absence of negligible senescence in mammals, may reflect biological constraints dating to the dinosaur era.

CAVEATS AND PROSPECTS​

While the longevity bottleneck hypothesis may help explain observed differences in ageing between modern mammals and other taxa, there are other possible contributors for such differences. Of note, because mammals, unlike reptiles or amphibians, are poikilotherms, it is possible that body temperature is a contributor to the shorter lifespan of mammals as an example of antagonistic pleiotropy, given that in poikilotherms a lower temperature results (up to a certain degree) in a longer lifespan. One study, in fact, estimated that early Jurassic stem-mammals (∼200 mya) had longer lifespans than expected for their body size and reptile-like metabolic rates. Although temperature can impact on longevity, birds have by and large higher temperatures and longer lifespans than mammals. Therefore, whether the higher body temperature of mammals might contribute to their faster ageing when compared to reptiles and amphibians remains unknown.
Given that cancer is so prevalent in mammals, and many species of reptiles and amphibians exhibit negligible senescence, one intriguing possibility is that cancer is in general more frequent in mammals. There are cases of cancer in reptiles and amphibians, but it is unclear if the exponential increase in cancer incidence observed in humans and many other mammals is also observed in reptiles or amphibians. Anecdotal reports suggest that cancer incidence in reptiles and amphibians is lower than in mammals, but further studies are needed.
Intriguingly, development appears to be more plastic in reptiles and amphibians than in mammals; in the context of the developmental theory of ageing, I speculate this might also reflect mammalian constraints resulting from their evolutionary history that impact tissue regeneration and ageing. Moreover, species exhibiting indeterminate growth and/or increased reproduction with age have been observed amongst reptiles, amphibians and fishes, traits absent from mammals that evolutionarily may help explain negligible senescence in non-mammalian vertebrates. Clearly, more studies of ageing, longevity, regeneration and age-related diseases across the tree of life are warranted to better understand the evolution of ageing and its impact on present-day species, including humans

Box 1​

Testing the longevity bottleneck hypothesis with evolutionary genomics. With the rapidly growing number of sequenced vertebrate genomes, it should be possible to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis using comparative genomic approaches, including ancestral reconstructions of genomes and traits. We already know of one repair pathway, the photolyase DNA protection system, that was lost in the eutherian lineage and improves repair in transgenic mice. Although our knowledge of genes and processes involved in repair and regeneration is incomplete, evolutionary genomic analyses may uncover other losses of genes and pathways in mammals compared to other vertebrates and, in particular, compared to reptiles. Moreover, it is possible that repair and regeneration genes were not lost but rather inactivated in mammals due to mutations or downregulation. Analyses of gene expression patterns and gene regulation across species, as already shown to provide insights in the context of longevity, may therefore also be employed to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis. Furthermore, we need more phenotypic data on ageing traits and tissue regeneration across the tree of life, so we can map these traits using comparative methods and better understand the underpinning evolutionary processes.

CONCLUSIONS​

Overall, the longevity bottleneck hypothesis has several important implications. It may explain traits observed in human and mammalian ageing, like reproductive senescence, the absence of very slow demographic ageing, and tooth erosion. Moreover, it raises the question of whether other cases of longevity bottlenecks caused by predation or other ecological constraints may have occurred in other taxa, perhaps over shorter timescales than the dinosaurs’ rule. As such, studying the pace by which longevity (or ageing rates or phenotypes) evolved across taxa may reveal other longevity bottlenecks. In addition, future studies are warranted to investigate whether other repair, defence or regeneration systems were lost or inactivated in mammals, and obtaining more evidence to support the proposed – and admittedly speculative – hypothesis is necessary. Recent genome sequencing efforts have opened the door for large-scale comparative analyses of longevity evolution (Box 1), and it should be possible to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis using evolutionary genomics in the years ahead.

TLDR: Mammals during the times of mesozoic era were dominated and mogged by reptiles so badly that instead of preserving their anti ageing genes they became exclusively focused on fast life strategy reproduction. most animals asides from mammals dont age that badly and reptiles, fishes, amphibians and birds maintain their youthfull looks throughout their entire lives.
JFL ITS OVER FOR MAMMALCELS. HUMAN MOGGERS WILL NEVER COMPARE IN THE SLIGHTEST TO REPTILIAN, AVIAN OR AMPHIBIAN MOGGERS> ENJOY YOUR WRINKLES HUMAN SUBANIMALS.

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Digest: humans age bad because dinosaurs.
Applications: still looking for one.
 
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up Its extremely important
 
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Positive features: dinosaurs
Negative features: boring as fuck
 
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Positive features: dinosaurs
Negative features: boring as fuck
I know it is boring, truth seeking in itself is extremely arduous and boring process but only that way you can understand how the matrix works
 
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The question is: how to reduce body temperature? I am optimistic about this approach to slow ageing.
 
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it is kinda odd how reptiles dont seem to get aged skin despite sun-batheing like hell
 
The question is: how to reduce body temperature? I am optimistic about this approach to slow ageing.
new looksmax breakthrough??
 
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it is kinda odd how reptiles dont seem to get aged skin despite sun-batheing like hell
im no expert but

tret and ret make sun damage greater because of increasing cell diffusion
so cell diffusion means sun will damage skin

reptiles chill at low temps and therefore have low cell diffusion and low sun damage
 
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if you could lower body temperature to be like a poikilotherm then you could age much slower, maybe double your lifespan or more. but we arent evolved for that so it would be tricky

even just lowering your body temperature by 1-2 degrees Celsius, i guesstimate you could age 10% slower (every 10 years youd only age 9 years biologically)
 
if you could lower body temperature to be like a poikilotherm then you could age much slower, maybe double your lifespan or more. but we arent evolved for that so it would be tricky

even just lowering your body temperature by 1-2 degrees Celsius, i guesstimate you could age 10% slower (every 10 years youd only age 9 years biologically)
isnt that really dangerous?
 
I know it is boring, truth seeking in itself is extremely arduous and boring process but only that way you can understand how the matrix works
i think you're correct but theres nothing we can do now ......gene editing of the type that can change everything (and turn us into reptiles? :feelskek:) is far far away....we're locked in this shitty state for the rest of our lives 😭
 
im no expert but

tret and ret make sun damage greater because of increasing cell diffusion
so cell diffusion means sun will damage skin

reptiles chill at low temps and therefore have low cell diffusion and low sun damage
ive never heard of this theory of cell diffusion, care to explain a little more?

isnt that really dangerous?
well i dont really know of many methods to lower body temperture, certainly not ways to lower it drastically, which would definetly be dangerous

 
ive never heard of this theory of cell diffusion, care to explain a little more?


well i dont really know of many methods to lower body temperture, certainly not ways to lower it drastically, which would definetly be dangerous

my brother told me retinol increases sun damage when I asked him why he uses it as a night cream and told me about cell diffusion
 
metabolism is inversely proportional to lifespan not only on mammals but on most animal species aswell

plus its theorized we have a genetic limit to our lifespans thats estimated to be around 120 years without gene-repairing technology because the telomers of our dna get worn out by mitosis

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my brother told me retinol increases sun damage when I asked him why he uses it as a night cream and told me about cell diffusion
cell division or cell diffusion?
 
so what is solution?
 
plus its theorized we have a genetic limit to our lifespans thats estimated to be around 120 years without gene-repairing technology because the telomers of our dna get worn out by mitosis
i mean we have gene repairing capacity within our own programming, and cell divison can be slowed
 
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so what is solution?
help find us find it nigga!

i propose lowering body temperature somehow

 
help find us find it nigga!

i propose lowering body temperature somehow
nigga stop with all the cope solutions you are gonna run out of time,first of all you need to know babies and even teens have higher body temps then older adults and anything a kid has over an adult,copying the young childs body is always ideal just how adult try and replicate a childs collegen,not only is that cleear proof that higher body tempeture or atleast normal is more ideal,but if this was true niggas in cold contires would out live ppl in hot,doesnt happen. you lack common sense most of the time and focus on the wrong things
 
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i mean we have gene repairing capacity within our own programming, and cell divison can be slowed
men die earlier than foids too bc of metabolism
 
nice, i will cold max
nigga stop with all the cope solutions you are gonna run out of time,first of all you need to know babies and even teens have higher body temps then older adults and anything a kid has over an adult,copying the young childs body is always ideal just how adult try and replicate a childs collegen,not only is that cleear proof that higher body tempeture or atleast normal is more ideal,but if this was true niggas in cold contires would out live ppl in hot,doesnt happen. you lack common sense most of the time and focus on the wrong things
you both fail to understand that WE ARE NOT POIKILOTHERMS!!!

therefore, coldmaxxing wont lower body temperature. we will just have to expend more energy to heat up. read my thread on lowering body temperature for some ideas on how to actually lower body temperature.

finn899, copying children is not always good for slowing ageing. that would mean drinking a lot of milk and increaseing hGH would slow ageing.
 
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In the first place we should try to answer the question "Why do humans age so badly?":

"There is much debate among researchers about the mechanisms that contribute to the ageing process. However, it is widely accepted that damage to genetic material, cells and tissues that accumulates with age and cannot be repaired by the body is the cause of the loss of function associated with ageing."

Also "Is the way you will age genetic and predetermined?"

"Aging is a multifactorial process that is determined by genetic and environmental factors."

"Eating well, not drinking too much alcohol, avoiding tobacco, and staying physically active enable some individuals to attain a healthy old age; genetics then appears to play a progressively important role in keeping individuals healthy as they age into their eighties and beyond."

"The DNA damage theory of aging proposes that aging is a consequence of unrepaired accumulation of naturally occurring DNA damage. Damage in this context is a DNA alteration that has an abnormal structure."


So the answer is that ageing patterns are in fact genetic and that human ageing process is so reprehensive because of the genetical makeup of the human beings. Let us now enter the rabbit hole that will explain why human ageing process is so agonizing and why human prime is so short and fast fleeing.


The longevity bottleneck hypothesis: Could dinosaurs have shaped ageing in present-day mammals?​


by João Pedro de Magalhães
First published: 28 November 2023

Abstract​

The evolution and biodiversity of ageing have long fascinated scientists and the public alike. While mammals, including long-lived species such as humans, show a marked ageing process, some species of reptiles and amphibians exhibit very slow and even the absence of ageing phenotypes. How can reptiles and other vertebrates age slower than mammals? Herein, I propose that evolving during the rule of the dinosaurs left a lasting legacy in mammals. For over 100 million years when dinosaurs were the dominant predators, mammals were generally small, nocturnal, and short-lived. My hypothesis is that such a long evolutionary pressure on early mammals for rapid reproduction led to the loss or inactivation of genes and pathways associated with long life. I call this the ‘longevity bottleneck hypothesis’, which is further supported by the absence in mammals of regenerative traits. Although mammals, such as humans, can evolve long lifespans, they do so under constraints dating to the dinosaur era.

INTRODUCTION​

How ageing – a detrimental phenotype that results in loss of function, degeneration and ultimately reproductive senescence and death – evolved has long fascinated scientists, and can be explained by the fading force of natural selection with age. Because the greatest contribution to the next generation comes from young animals, selection favours alleles that confer survival at younger ages and reproductive fitness rather than survival at later ages. Species in different environments, in particular in regard to extrinsic mortality, must then evolve different life history strategies. A mouse or a vole with high extrinsic mortality and a short lifespan will need to grow and mature very quickly if it is to reproduce, a so-called fast life-history; and if a given mutation, for example, causes cancer in 2-year-old mice it is unlikely to be selected against.
Although estimating the pace of ageing is not trivial, across populations it is possible to calculate the demographic rate of ageing, the rate at which mortality increases with age, which can be used for species comparisons. Interestingly, a number of studies in recent years have shown very slow demographic ageing, and even numerous cases of negligible senescence, in dozens of species of reptiles, including many turtles, and in amphibians.This is in stark contrast to what is observed in mammals that suffer from a clear and rapid degeneration. Indeed, an exponential increase in mortality with age is a hallmark of mammalian ageing, unlike what is observed in other taxa where a greater diversity of demographic ageing rates is observed. As such, when compared to reptiles, there is an absence of very slow ageing mammals and no evidence of negligible senescence, but why?

THE LONGEVITY BOTTLENECK HYPOTHESIS​

One hypothesis is that the unique mammalian evolutionary history during the time of the dinosaurs shaped present-day mammalian ageing phenotypes. In addition to a slower rate of ageing, reptiles and amphibians feature traits largely absent from mammals, like oocyte regeneration, limb regeneration, continuous tooth replacement and cancer resistance. By contrast, reproductive senescence and post-reproductive lifespans are common in mammals.[13] Therefore, it is not just that our closely related taxa can exhibit a slower rate of demographic ageing, it seems that the ageing phenotype is more marked in mammals, even in long-lived species like humans.
While fast ageing species can be found amongst reptiles, birds, amphibians and mammals, the slowest ageing species are non-mammals . Indeed, examples of amphibians, fishes and reptiles exhibiting negligible senescence have been reported, but no mammal. (Naked mole rats have been touted as exhibiting negligible senescence, yet they show ageing changes like skin ageing, sarcopenia and kyphosis, and exhibit epigenetic ageing.) It is plausible that all vertebrate species eventually age, and there might be biases in scientists studying mammals more than other taxa that result in mammalian ageing phenotypes being more characterised. Nonetheless, in studies spanning decades both in the wild and in captivity, rates of demographic ageing in some species of reptiles are lower than observed in any mammal; not even long-lived humans age so slowly. Using data from a recent study, it is clear that fast and slow ageing species can be found in all taxa, yet mammals are conspicuously absent amongst the slowest ageing and negligible senescence species, particularly when compared to reptiles
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FIGURE 1

Distribution of rates of ageing (A) and rates of ageing versus longevity (B) for birds (yellow; n = 8), mammals (red; n = 14), amphibians (green; n = 3) and reptiles (blue; n = 20). Rate of ageing based on estimates of demographic ageing from ref. , filtered for species with a longevity of at least 20 years. Longevity refers to adult maximum longevity, as defined by ref. . Figure created with RAWGraphs.
Mammals evolved from synapsids, reptile-like animals that included large predators like the Dimetrodon, 300–250 million years ago (mya). Dinosaurs first appeared in the Triassic period and became the dominant terrestrial vertebrate during the Jurassic (200 mya) until their mass extinction at the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary 66 mya . It is a subject of debate when the first mammals appeared, but eutherians diverged from monotremes and marsupials about 180 and 160 mya, respectively. Although many extinct lineages of early mammals diversified, including larger sizes, by and large early mammals during the time of the dinosaurs were preyed upon and therefore small, nocturnal, short-lived animals. Indeed, ancestral eutherians have been estimated to weight between 6 and 245 g and were likely insectivorous. Therefore, due to predation, the ancestors of modern mammals spent more than 100 million years during the dinosaur-era as small, short-lived animals
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The evolution of mammals and the longevity bottleneck hypothesis. Synapsids, reptile-like ancestors to mammals, diverged from sauropsids, the ancestors to dinosaurs, birds and reptiles, over 300 mya. After the Triassic–Jurassic extinction event, about 200 mya, dinosaurs became the dominant predators. By contrast, mammals survived by becoming small nocturnal insectivores, but growing in size once the dinosaurs disappeared, after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, about 66 mya. The longevity bottleneck hypothesis states that early mammals spending over 100 million years as small, short-lived animals led to gene loss or inactivation of traits associated with longevity and left a legacy that is observed in the marked ageing phenotype of modern mammals, in particular in long-lived species such as humans. Figure inspired by ref. EE, extinction event. The Cenozoic is featured for simplicity but encompasses three periods (Paleogene, Neogene and Quaternary). Silhouettes from phylopic.org.
The long evolutionary pressure on early mammals for a fast life-history and rapid reproduction resulted, I hypothesise, in the loss or inactivation of genes and processes related to repair and regenerative mechanisms. In other words, the short-lived, rapidly reproducing early mammals lost traits associated with long life. This may or may not have happened in all early mammals, but I propose it occurred in the ancestral lineage leading to modern mammals. Remarkably, there is molecular evidence in support of this hypothesis in the form of the photolyase DNA protection system that was lost in the eutherian mammalian lineage during the time of the dinosaurs. Inspired by the ‘nocturnal bottleneck hypothesis’, which states that the early evolution of mammals under the reign of the dinosaurs left a lasting legacy on the anatomy and physiology of present-day mammals, I put forward the ‘longevity bottleneck hypothesis’. My hypothesis is that modern mammals – particularly long-lived species – age more markedly and rapidly than reptiles, birds or amphibians because of our unique evolutionary history during the time of the dinosaurs.
Once the dinosaurs disappeared and mammals became the dominant terrestrial vertebrate, mammals diversified to fill many ecological niches and were able to grow in size. For example, the earliest fossil record of primates, purgatoriids that lived shortly after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event that destroyed the dinosaurs, suggests a small body size and a reliance on insects. By contrast, abundant fossil and phylogenetic evidence shows that after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event there was a rapid diversification and increase in mammalian body size, which one study estimated levelled off 40 mya. Interestingly, pantodonts, the first mammals 62 mya to achieve a large size (∼42 kg) lived at a fast pace as they have been estimated to have a shorter lifespan than expected for their body size which in light of the longevity bottleneck hypothesis is tempting to speculate resulted from their evolution from small, short-lived ancestors.
In the over 60 million years since the extinction of the dinosaurs, the diversification of mammals resulted in a huge variety of species with fast and slow life histories, including many large, long-lived species, like elephants, whales and humans. Clearly, extinct and extant mammals have evolved amazing traits and adaptations, including longevity and tumour suppression mechanisms; yet I argue that this occurred under constraints that are remnants from the time of the dinosaurs, as evidenced that even the longest-lived mammals, such as humans, age faster than many reptiles. The importance of constraints in evolution has long been recognised but often also overlooked in lieu of the role of adaptation, including in the context of ageing. Here, I make the case that some ageing phenotypes of modern mammals, such as reproductive senescence and tooth erosion, as well as the absence of negligible senescence in mammals, may reflect biological constraints dating to the dinosaur era.

CAVEATS AND PROSPECTS​

While the longevity bottleneck hypothesis may help explain observed differences in ageing between modern mammals and other taxa, there are other possible contributors for such differences. Of note, because mammals, unlike reptiles or amphibians, are poikilotherms, it is possible that body temperature is a contributor to the shorter lifespan of mammals as an example of antagonistic pleiotropy, given that in poikilotherms a lower temperature results (up to a certain degree) in a longer lifespan. One study, in fact, estimated that early Jurassic stem-mammals (∼200 mya) had longer lifespans than expected for their body size and reptile-like metabolic rates. Although temperature can impact on longevity, birds have by and large higher temperatures and longer lifespans than mammals. Therefore, whether the higher body temperature of mammals might contribute to their faster ageing when compared to reptiles and amphibians remains unknown.
Given that cancer is so prevalent in mammals, and many species of reptiles and amphibians exhibit negligible senescence, one intriguing possibility is that cancer is in general more frequent in mammals. There are cases of cancer in reptiles and amphibians, but it is unclear if the exponential increase in cancer incidence observed in humans and many other mammals is also observed in reptiles or amphibians. Anecdotal reports suggest that cancer incidence in reptiles and amphibians is lower than in mammals, but further studies are needed.
Intriguingly, development appears to be more plastic in reptiles and amphibians than in mammals; in the context of the developmental theory of ageing, I speculate this might also reflect mammalian constraints resulting from their evolutionary history that impact tissue regeneration and ageing. Moreover, species exhibiting indeterminate growth and/or increased reproduction with age have been observed amongst reptiles, amphibians and fishes, traits absent from mammals that evolutionarily may help explain negligible senescence in non-mammalian vertebrates. Clearly, more studies of ageing, longevity, regeneration and age-related diseases across the tree of life are warranted to better understand the evolution of ageing and its impact on present-day species, including humans

Box 1​

Testing the longevity bottleneck hypothesis with evolutionary genomics. With the rapidly growing number of sequenced vertebrate genomes, it should be possible to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis using comparative genomic approaches, including ancestral reconstructions of genomes and traits. We already know of one repair pathway, the photolyase DNA protection system, that was lost in the eutherian lineage and improves repair in transgenic mice. Although our knowledge of genes and processes involved in repair and regeneration is incomplete, evolutionary genomic analyses may uncover other losses of genes and pathways in mammals compared to other vertebrates and, in particular, compared to reptiles. Moreover, it is possible that repair and regeneration genes were not lost but rather inactivated in mammals due to mutations or downregulation. Analyses of gene expression patterns and gene regulation across species, as already shown to provide insights in the context of longevity, may therefore also be employed to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis. Furthermore, we need more phenotypic data on ageing traits and tissue regeneration across the tree of life, so we can map these traits using comparative methods and better understand the underpinning evolutionary processes.

CONCLUSIONS​

Overall, the longevity bottleneck hypothesis has several important implications. It may explain traits observed in human and mammalian ageing, like reproductive senescence, the absence of very slow demographic ageing, and tooth erosion. Moreover, it raises the question of whether other cases of longevity bottlenecks caused by predation or other ecological constraints may have occurred in other taxa, perhaps over shorter timescales than the dinosaurs’ rule. As such, studying the pace by which longevity (or ageing rates or phenotypes) evolved across taxa may reveal other longevity bottlenecks. In addition, future studies are warranted to investigate whether other repair, defence or regeneration systems were lost or inactivated in mammals, and obtaining more evidence to support the proposed – and admittedly speculative – hypothesis is necessary. Recent genome sequencing efforts have opened the door for large-scale comparative analyses of longevity evolution (Box 1), and it should be possible to test the longevity bottleneck hypothesis using evolutionary genomics in the years ahead.

TLDR: Mammals during the times of mesozoic era were dominated and mogged by reptiles so badly that instead of preserving their anti ageing genes they became exclusively focused on fast life strategy reproduction. most animals asides from mammals dont age that badly and reptiles, fishes, amphibians and birds maintain their youthfull looks throughout their entire lives.
JFL ITS OVER FOR MAMMALCELS. HUMAN MOGGERS WILL NEVER COMPARE IN THE SLIGHTEST TO REPTILIAN, AVIAN OR AMPHIBIAN MOGGERS> ENJOY YOUR WRINKLES HUMAN SUBANIMALS.

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you both fail to understand that WE ARE NOT POIKILOTHERMS!!!

therefore, coldmaxxing wont lower body temperature. we will just have to expend more energy to heat up. read my thread on lowering body temperature for some ideas on how to actually lower body temperature.

finn899, copying children is not always good for slowing ageing. that would mean drinking a lot of milk and increaseing hGH would slow ageing.
i am aware you will expand and use up enerygy while heating back up but that could do more harm then good,if the closer we are to death by age the lower body tempeture we have,best believe im using common sense and keeping it as close to teen level as possible
 
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we dont know why men live shorter but its likely multi-factoral


i see, yeah because of that retinol ages you irregardless if you go in sun or not
men are simply bigger. therefore there is more chance of cancer and there is also more pressure upon the circulatory system

I didnt know that retinol ages you even if you don't go into the sun, is it significant? and does tret do it even more?
 
i am aware you will expand and use up enerygy while heating back up but that could do more harm then good,if the closer we are to death by age the lower body tempeture we have,best believe im using common sense and keeping it as close to teen level as possible
i think coldmaxxing might still confer an anti ageing benefit (but not due to body temperature but due to increased metabolism), the rate of liveing theory isnt really that accurate.

yeah that logic makes sense for being more youthful but still it appears lowering body temperature slows ageing. its like takeing roids and hGH to have teen levels but in reality it might age you faster even if you currently are more youthful

men are simply bigger. therefore there is more chance of cancer and there is also more pressure upon the circulatory system

I didnt know that retinol ages you even if you don't go into the sun, is it significant? and does tret do it even more?
as i said its multifactoral. silly to claim men live less simply because of size

retinoids age skin, the stronger the more ageing. theres no published studies to quantify this but in theory its logical
 
i think coldmaxxing might still confer an anti ageing benefit (but not due to body temperature but due to increased metabolism), the rate of liveing theory isnt really that accurate.

yeah that logic makes sense for being more youthful but still it appears lowering body temperature slows ageing. its like takeing roids and hGH to have teen levels but in reality it might age you faster even if you currently are more youthful


as i said its multifactoral. silly to claim men live less simply because of size

retinoids age skin, the stronger the more ageing. theres no published studies to quantify this but in theory its logical
i aggre you cant use that logic for everything,but all our health systems are marked compared to children,as you once told me before wim hof interacted way too much in the cold to still loook like shit if there was any viable benifit he wouldnt look his age and you know it deep down,you have the right minsdest but you might focus on the wrong ideas too much when there is 1000s of possible reasons why we age as fast as we do,dont get too fixated on one
 
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i think coldmaxxing might still confer an anti ageing benefit (but not due to body temperature but due to increased metabolism), the rate of liveing theory isnt really that accurate.

yeah that logic makes sense for being more youthful but still it appears lowering body temperature slows ageing. its like takeing roids and hGH to have teen levels but in reality it might age you faster even if you currently are more youthful


as i said its multifactoral. silly to claim men live less simply because of size

retinoids age skin, the stronger the more ageing. theres no published studies to quantify this but in theory its logical
its even more scary when you realise not only did wim hof interact with the cold near daily,he was also a health freak and ate a near perfect diet while not slowing ageing by even 3 years lol so forget about that theory,we are adapted to nearly all types of tempeture
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its even more scary when you realise not only did wim hof interact with the cold near daily,he was also a health freak and ate a near perfect diet while not slowing ageing by even 3 years lol so forget about that theory,we are adapted to nearly all types of tempeture View attachment 2654305
his diet is vegan which could have deterioated him due to inadequate nutrition, and the nuts are high in PUFAs. plus, he eats his one meal a day at dinner which isnt good better to eat in the morning

cold doesnt seem to have anti aged him but i do believe heat will age you. in rodents putting them at 32.5 degrees vs 21 degrees shortened lifespan (inference) because it raised their body temperature
 
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his diet is vegan which could have deterioated him due to inadequate nutrition, and the nuts are high in PUFAs. plus, he eats his one meal a day at dinner which isnt good better to eat in the morning

cold doesnt seem to have anti aged him but i do believe heat will age you. in rodents putting them at 32.5 degrees vs 21 degrees shortened lifespan (inference) because it raised their body temperature
it doesnt matter if you think vegan isnt ideal,he still ate way cleaner then 99 percent of people and still aged normie level,also of course raising body tempature by 10 degrees will kill you,lowering your body tempature by 10 degrees would kill you too
 
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its even more scary when you realise not only did wim hof interact with the cold near daily,he was also a health freak and ate a near perfect diet while not slowing ageing by even 3 years lol so forget about that theory,we are adapted to nearly all types of tempeture View attachment 2654305
that's a completely shit diet tho
its obv his lifestyle is stressing and aging the shit out of him, also giving him mental and muscle problems
 
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it doesnt matter if you think vegan isnt ideal,he still ate way cleaner then 99 percent of people and still aged normie level,also of course raising body tempature by 10 degrees will kill you,lowering your body tempature by 10 degrees would kill you too
i dont remember how much it actually raised their body temperature. 32.5 degrees isnt super hot where i live it gets that hot very often in the summer

edit: now i remember, the heat prevented the benefit of CR (inference) because CR normally lowers body temperature but not with the heat
 
i dont remember how much it actually raised their body temperature. 32.5 degrees isnt super hot where i live it gets that hot very often in the summer
of my bad i thought you meant raising there baseline body tempeutre to 32 degrees not 32 degrees in tempature
 
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of my bad i thought you meant raising there baseline body tempeutre to 32 degrees not 32 degrees in tempature
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i dont remember how much it actually raised their body temperature. 32.5 degrees isnt super hot where i live it gets that hot very often in the summer

edit: now i remember, the heat prevented the benefit of CR (inference) because CR normally lowers body temperature but not with the heat
 
but tbh that proves nothing,thats common facts that 32 degrees living in that will make you die younger as its constant heat and even affects physical perfomance(most sports dont play high level in extreme heat) and we are way more adapted to 15-20 degrees which would be ideal i would say, just because we die younger in extreme heat does NOT mean lowering body tempeture of forcing yourself in cold is healthy
 
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but tbh that proves nothing,thats common facts that 32 degrees living in that will make you die younger as its constant heat and even affects physical perfomance(most sports dont play high level in extreme heat) and we are way more adapted to 15-20 degrees which would be ideal i would say, just because we die younger in extreme heat does NOT mean lowering body tempeture of forcing yourself in cold is healthy
mice are different than humans i think heat they more adapted for

"Mice prefer housing temperatures at 30 °C compared to 20 and 25 °C."
 
but tbh that proves nothing,thats common facts that 32 degrees living in that will make you die younger as its constant heat and even affects physical perfomance(most sports dont play high level in extreme heat) and we are way more adapted to 15-20 degrees which would be ideal i would say, just because we die younger in extreme heat does NOT mean lowering body tempeture of forcing yourself in cold is healthy
the implication is that body temperature mediates CR anti ageing benefit
 
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