NEW VIDEO IS OUT: "The TRUTH About A Balding Head" + DEBUNKIN 'Minoxidil vs Collagen Myth' Thread

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The video above already covers this topic, but for a more detailed approach to the topic you can read it here:

https://medium.com/attractiontheory/minoxidil-and-the-collagen-synthesis

Over the internet there are a few people who claim that after using minoxidil, be it on their face or scalp to regrow the hair and slow down male pattern baldness, they noticed that their skin started to look bad as if they got much older since they started using minoxidil.

All this becomes reinforced when they talk to other people who also claim the same effect and use the 1996 article by Lachgar S., et al., as proof that minoxidil indeed reduces the collagen synthesis in the human skin.

Usually, these people will quote the following from the article as evidence that they are correct:

Moreover, collagen synthesis measured in lattices is reduced to about 50% of that found in monolayer cultures.

In monolayer cultures, there was approximately a 30% inhibition of collagen production with 5 ng/ml bFGF, 0.1 ng/ml VEGF and 100 ng/ml minoxidil.

There are several misinterpretations about this article though.

First, the article did not investigate the inhibitory effects of minoxidil and other substances in the human skin, but in cultured hair dermal papilla cells (DPC).

The dermal papilla is located in the base of the hair follicle and contains tiny blood vessels called capillaries that nourish the cells in this area.

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The study investigated the collagen synthesis in the DPCin monolayer cultures and embedded in three-dimensional collagen gel, that is, in vitro.

It’s important to mention that the morphology of the DPC in monolayer culture differed clearly from that of DPC cultured in collagen lattices. In the lattices, DPC was larger and tended morphologically to resemble cells observed in vivo.

DPC   Monolayer Culture

In monolayer cultures, DPC displayed an elongated bipolar shape.

DPC   Lattice Culture

In the lattices, DPC was larger and tended morphologically to resemble cells observed in vivo.

This point is important because the DPC cultured in lattices had a reduction of collagen synthesis 50% less than that recorded on the monolayer culture.

The differentiation of the morphology and the environment of the DPC were enough to significantly change the results between the experiments.

Furthermore, this possible reduction of collagen synthesis on the DPC may be one of the reasons for the growth effect of these substances, since these compounds directly inhibit collagen synthesis, the connective tissue surrounding the dermal papilla may become less dense and compact. Which would theoretically favor a greater extent of vascularization for the purely physical reason that the new blood vessels meet less resistance in penetrating the collagen mass.

Therefore there is no proof that minoxidil decreases the collagen synthesis on the human skin, especially to a noticeable point.

The real cause of the age effect that some people claim, could be actually caused by the fact that minoxidil contains ethanol/propylene glycol on its composition to help the drug penetrate the skin.

Unfortunately, these substances are known to decrease significantly skin hydration. This skin dehydration, in turn, may cause wrinkles and peeling of the skin.

Therefore, when using minoxidil it’s important to also use throughout the treatment a ceramic hydration cream which has the highest rates of skin hydration to counter the effects of the ethanol in the minoxidil composition.

If you want to support the channel you can buy minoxidil and the ceramide cream using these links (You won't be charged more nor will I be able to know your personal info):

Buy Minoxidil Here: https://amzn.to/2nfFjpn
Buy Ceramide Hydration Cream Here: https://amzn.to/2nZsQ9o

Ref.:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8844127
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7562405
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17578437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22672420
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6197824/
 
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Over for norwoodcels
 
Read this thread I did not
 
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Paging our fellow autist @Lifeisgood72
 
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didn't read a word
didn't read a syllabus
didn't read a letter
didn't read a sentence
 
That Seinfeld clip was awesome
 
First, the article did not investigate the inhibitory effects of minoxidil and other substances in the human skin, but in cultured hair dermal papilla cells (DPC).

Okay, here's a study done on human skin fibroblasts https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2826267 "it's in vitro!!!!" shut up

> This point is important because the DPC cultured in lattices had a reduction of collagen synthesis 50% less than that recorded on the monolayer culture.

The fact that you didn't mention "lysyl hydroxylase" or "antiproliferation" once in this entire article tells you haven't done much research on the topic. I don't spend 3 months shitposting on forums about a hydration issue. I use a moisturizer every day, I still have disgustingly thin skin, acne scars that have been there for 8 months and have never gone away due to no collagen in the skin, and get mistaken for being in my 30's very often.

You complain about there being "no evidence" of minoxidil causing skin aging, where there are more than 30 studies that have investigated it's antiproliferative effects on cells, and fibroblasts specifically. Meanwhile, there is absolutely none, nada, ZERO evidence that ethanol/propylene glycol causes skin aging. Infact,a derivative of ethnol is in the moisturizer you linked in the article. My skin is overwhelmingly dry, even despite daily moisturizer use. Not because of some alchohol I put on my skin 3 months ago but because I have no collagen in my skin, and skin dryness is actually common in aged skin with no collagen in it. I can come home from a mile long walk and have no moisture on my face at all. That is not healthy.

Another interesting thing about Minoxidil is that it is actually very structurally similar to another vasodilator, known as Dipyridamole, which has overwhelming clinical evidence that showcase a reduction in fibroblast proliferation, in a similar manner to that of Minoxidil, by reducing thymidine incorporation and slowing down DNA synthesis. This means it takes a longer time for cells to clone themselves and undergo mitosis. Less fibroblast cells = less collagen. And the issue persists after removal from the medium because it affects shit at a transcriptional level. Also, this method of antiproliferation is very heavily dependent on gene expression, which is why not everyone gets these side effects.

Rather than spreading bullshit and telling people to go out and buy minoxidil, be happy you don't have the sides I have. My life has been absolute hell since I've applied this drug, even the FBI thought I was in my 20's. Your face matters a lot and this poison drug Minoxidil has completely destroyed my face, hair, eyebrows, and every other part of my body. Even my hands look like they are that of a 30 year old. That is not the effects of a common topical applicant ingredient, which is commonly used in moisturizers. That is the effect of a free-radical drug. Accutane is also a free-radical, for comparison.

TLDR your article is bullshit stfu
 
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Good job man! you're one of the few that gives great contributions to this site. :feelsokman: :feelsyay:
 
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TLDR your article is bullshit stfu

1- I'm almost sure I've read this article, but I'll take a look anyway
2- The fact that you claim you look 30 (even your hands) because of 3 months using minoxidil discredits you completely, stop being such a retard
 
Just liked the video (y) I didn't know you were behind this new channel @Deliciadecu
I'm surprised the video about female noses hasn't gotten more views by now tbh
 
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Just liked the video (y) I didn't know you were behind this new channel @Deliciadecu
I'm surprised the video about female noses hasn't gotten more views by now tbh

I haven't shared it outside looksmax and lookism yet tbh, I'll do that now with the female nose and norwood videos on some normie forums (offtopic, reddit, the student room...)
 
Why mods don't stick this.
I haven't shared it outside looksmax and lookism yet tbh, I'll do that now with the female nose and norwood videos on some normie forums (offtopic, reddit, the student room...)

You will make video about male nose and eye area?

Also what you think about mouth breathing? (maybe a video about it too?)
 
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1- I'm almost sure I've read this article, but I'll take a look anyway
2- The fact that you claim you look 30 (even your hands) because of 3 months using minoxidil discredits you completely, stop being such a retard
The FBI even “identified” as a late-20s individual. I had to explain them I was 16, they were ready to baker act me ded srs.

Even my teacher thought I failed school. I constantly get mistaken for 18 and older. My skin quality itself looks like a 30 year olds. Honestly.
 
I once touched a minoxidil and now Im a 69 yo nigga
 
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So is it safe to use minox?
 



The video above already covers this topic, but for a more detailed approach to the topic you can read it here:

https://medium.com/attractiontheory/minoxidil-and-the-collagen-synthesis

Over the internet there are a few people who claim that after using minoxidil, be it on their face or scalp to regrow the hair and slow down male pattern baldness, they noticed that their skin started to look bad as if they got much older since they started using minoxidil.

All this becomes reinforced when they talk to other people who also claim the same effect and use the 1996 article by Lachgar S., et al., as proof that minoxidil indeed reduces the collagen synthesis in the human skin.

Usually, these people will quote the following from the article as evidence that they are correct:





There are several misinterpretations about this article though.

First, the article did not investigate the inhibitory effects of minoxidil and other substances in the human skin, but in cultured hair dermal papilla cells (DPC).

The dermal papilla is located in the base of the hair follicle and contains tiny blood vessels called capillaries that nourish the cells in this area.

View attachment 124905

The study investigated the collagen synthesis in the DPCin monolayer cultures and embedded in three-dimensional collagen gel, that is, in vitro.

It’s important to mention that the morphology of the DPC in monolayer culture differed clearly from that of DPC cultured in collagen lattices. In the lattices, DPC was larger and tended morphologically to resemble cells observed in vivo.

View attachment 124908
In monolayer cultures, DPC displayed an elongated bipolar shape.

View attachment 124910
In the lattices, DPC was larger and tended morphologically to resemble cells observed in vivo.

This point is important because the DPC cultured in lattices had a reduction of collagen synthesis 50% less than that recorded on the monolayer culture.

The differentiation of the morphology and the environment of the DPC were enough to significantly change the results between the experiments.

Furthermore, this possible reduction of collagen synthesis on the DPC may be one of the reasons for the growth effect of these substances, since these compounds directly inhibit collagen synthesis, the connective tissue surrounding the dermal papilla may become less dense and compact. Which would theoretically favor a greater extent of vascularization for the purely physical reason that the new blood vessels meet less resistance in penetrating the collagen mass.

Therefore there is no proof that minoxidil decreases the collagen synthesis on the human skin, especially to a noticeable point.

The real cause of the age effect that some people claim, could be actually caused by the fact that minoxidil contains ethanol/propylene glycol on its composition to help the drug penetrate the skin.

Unfortunately, these substances are known to decrease significantly skin hydration. This skin dehydration, in turn, may cause wrinkles and peeling of the skin.

Therefore, when using minoxidil it’s important to also use throughout the treatment a ceramic hydration cream which has the highest rates of skin hydration to counter the effects of the ethanol in the minoxidil composition.

If you want to support the channel you can buy minoxidil and the ceramide cream using these links (You won't be charged more nor will I be able to know your personal info):

Buy Minoxidil Here: https://amzn.to/2nfFjpn
Buy Ceramide Hydration Cream Here: https://amzn.to/2nZsQ9o

Ref.:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8844127
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7562405
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17578437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22672420
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6197824/

tl kind of read.

good info
 
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Why mods don't stick this.

You will make video about male nose and eye area?

Also what you think about mouth breathing? (maybe a video about it too?)

Yeah, stick this mods!!

@Lorsss @Frameletgod (Move the looksmaxing forum pls)

Yes, I'll make videos about everything on the face, male nose, ethnic nose, eye area (orbitals, eye shape, eyebrows), zygos, mouth, teeth, jaw, cranial base... everything

I'm honestly skeptical about mewing/mouth breathing after puberty (it definitely affects in children) tbh, I'll buy and read Mew's book on malocclusion before doing a video about it so I can see the sources they use
 
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One thing I forgot to mention, the concentration of ethanol makes a huge difference on the level of dryness, so "the cream you posted has ethanol too" is a huge cope
 
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Therefore, when using minoxidil it’s important to also use throughout the treatment a ceramic hydration cream which has the highest rates of skin hydration to counter the effects of the ethanol in the minoxidil composition.
The moisterizer cream, before or after the monoxidil?
I assume after, or not??
 
The moisterizer cream, before or after the monoxidil?
I assume after, or not??

after, you should layer the things you use based on their thickness, thicker products should be layered after
 
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Read all of it but comprehend none pls explain how to make hair best it can be
 
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Okay jew
 
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