NGL Madara goal in naruto seems much more appealing he seemed like the good guy in the whole god damn series he was based enough to see the truth.

[Fr12]

In my Tsukiyomi dream I would live the life of Chico

 

[reptiles]

In my Tsukiyomi dream I would live the life of Chico

The dream is what I want but the liked Naruto stopped the great madara

 

[nattycel]

1st point don't be blue piled in the realistic version you would have humans specefically trying to go out of their damn way to create war for resources especially in a world where all every 1 has ever known was war and prospered in what context yes the children of higher nations got better off but the children of lower nations lay their suffering madara was their hope madara is truly hope incarnate.

Also the 2nd point Adam at 1 point was perfect same with eve human nature was perfect at 1 point yet were all suffering cause of a fall the moon eye plan would help undo that suffering makes no sense why god could not commune with creation in dream he did it at babel

Adam and eve weren't perfect. If they were perfect they would've never disobeyed God.

Free will makes everyone prone to make mistakes/sin.

I would rather have free will and live in the real world than be a robot or live a fake "happy" life in my dream

 

[reptiles]

Adam and eve weren't perfect. If they were perfect they would've never disobeyed God.

Free will makes everyone prone to make mistakes/sin.

I would rather have free will and live in the real world than be a robot or live a fake "happy" life in my dream

Adam and eve were perfect god said so they imaged god not in the ontological sense per say but they were to act as if god was living breathing on earth for all intents and purposes our nature was once perfect.

Free will makes everyone prone to make mistakes/sin.

Not neccarily if someone knows the evil of such an act but also sees the disgustiness of it you still get perfection.

I would rather have free will and live in the real world than be a robot or live a fake "happy" life in my dream

Nothing to say we cannot have free will in the dream the anime never implied the moon eye was a hive mind

 

[BigBoy]

Madara had good intentions, humans will always be evil but living in a fake reality is not fulfilling. If you ever discover you were dreaming you will realize how pointless it was how useless it was. You will remain a subhuman but now a subhuman with less time. You may acheive a false sense of happiness but it won't be real.

 

[reptiles]

Madara had good intentions, humans will always be evil but living in a fake reality is not fulfilling. If you ever discover you were dreaming you will realize how pointless it was how useless it was. You will remain a subhuman but now a subhuman with less time. You may acheive a false sense of happiness but it won't be real.

How would you know how do you know we don't currently live in a matrix feels like hell

 

[nattycel]

Adam and eve were perfect god said so they imaged god not in the ontological sense per say but they were to act as if god was living breathing on earth for all intents and purposes our nature was once perfect.

Free will makes everyone prone to make mistakes/sin.

Not neccarily if someone knows the evil of such an act but also sees the disgustiness of it you still get perfection.

I would rather have free will and live in the real world than be a robot or live a fake "happy" life in my dream

Nothing to say we cannot have free will in the dream the anime never implied the moon eye was a hive mind

If dream world in the anime wasn't supposed to be perfect then it would make madara an even bigger villian
because he destroyed the already established peace to create a dream which would still not be perfect.

Adam and eve had free will and weren't perfect. That's what humans literally are by nature as stated in the bible.
You're making up things as you go just to make a point

 

[reptiles]

If dream world in the anime wasn't supposed to be perfect then it would make madara an even bigger villian
because he destroyed the already established peace to create a dream which would still not be perfect.

Adam and eve had free will and weren't perfect. That's what humans literally are by nature as stated in the bible.
You're making up things as you go just to make a point

1 but perfection is subjective madaras perfection was truly an ultimate objective perfection cause it lets you the user decide it lets you become your own arbiter know longer do you have to suffer no more pain no more anguish it truly is objective perfection.

Humans especially adam was good adam was perfect he was a son of god before the fall he was covered in a garment of light he is compareable to like the angels