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The Ogee curve is an extremely important feature for attractiveness in men and women
makes the difference between a chad & a normie
-Been a while since I created a guide, figured id explain the methods im working on.
after @CoreSchizo 's pathetic attempt at a DIY buccal fat removal, Someone needed to provide safer alternatives.
looksmax.org
Understanding the bones/tissue that cause the ogee curve
-ZYGOS
Hollow cheeks are caused by lateral zygomatic projection as well as frontal prominence.
-Gonions/Jaw
The gonion shape will cause hallows also, more flared gonions and a wider bigonial width will stretch your face and create that look.
-Masseter Muscles
I included a video of myself flexing my masseter in the sun to show how it chisels my face, hypertrophy of the masseters with have this effect if they have proper insertions
Examples of elite, low masseter insertions. High masseter setness is a death sentence for hypertrophy enthusiasts. Also the pterygomasseteric sling in the gif posted above is extremely aesthetic jfl.
tldr here, only hypertrophy your masseters if they are low set.
you will look like a bloated pig if you chew with unideal masseters. If this is you, botox.
-Chin
Having strong chin projection can have a small effect on the soft tissue but barely. A chin wing osteotomy or genioplasty can be best for achieving this while also tightening the masseters.
-Taller skull
Having a taller skull and total FWHR will cause you to be less prone to bloating. Skull size is not a cope, Tyler Mahers skull allows him to be effortlessly debloated.
Ok, now you understand the things that will cause tightness of the soft tissue
-here's the tissue that causes you to bloat
-Buccal fat pads
This small fat store can make or break hallow cheeks, removal or atrophy of the buccal pad will almost always lead to hallow cheeks
Buccal pad removal results, instant OG.
You can easily self perform this surgery, im gonna try this shit eventually. Just dont remove more than 30-50%.
-The parotid duct/gland.
Atrophying the parotid duct via botox should lead to a better ogee according to @SteveRogers , going to consult a few more people on this because its not talked abt anywhere on the internet currently
-4 units of botox to the parotid, your jordan barrett instantly.
expectable results
-Bonus
The buccinators also hypertrophy when you eat with large bites, When I use to eat with a serving spoon on my bulk I hypertrophied my buccinators. Mewing while swallowing avoids activating them, and eating small bites.
How to actually atrophy the buccal fat pad via injection lipolysis
-Lipo Agents ranked
Lipolab
Aqualux
Kybella
Lemon/pine bottle
I tried lemonbottle and it was objectively shit and no non placebo results after 16 mL into buccals
Trying Lipo Lab when it arrives, allegedly 85% Atrophy of the fat in studies.
heres my attempt at lemon bottle, good guide on how to properly inject lipo agents
The Maxilla also has influence on the ogee curve
Here's an aspie video of barrett showing how his maxilla contributes to his hallow cheeks.
to improve the alveolar bones you can create volume via PDO threads.
sorry for image quality but threading here to create volume will help. I recommend using multi-threads to be able to insert more efficiently
blunt tipped multis (just get the 30g version)
Bloat
Bloat is the cuprite for most people not having hallow cheeks. Heres some debloating tips
Potassium Chloride
looksmax.org
Quickest debloat supplement, results in 30 minutes.
Furosemide, best diuretic. 80 Mg every 3-5 days will do the trick
https://www.bgpharmadrugs.com/cart/
Water Cycling
Day 1- Limit water as much as possible
Day 2- 1/2 gallon
Day 3- 1/2 gallon
day 4- 1 gallon
day 5- 2 gallon
day 6- 1/2 gallon
day 7- 1/2 gallon
Low salt, less sodium. Sodium causes bloat. @pneumocystosis good find
Eating less Carbs, entering a state of ketosis is ideal. 100g or less per day
-taking preworkout with a large amount of water, I drink preworkout with .5 Gal of water because it causes me to piss more often.
-Some other causes of bloat
high androgen levels
Despite being lean, nick walker is bloated AF. After 400mg of test you will get bloated. Telmisartan helped my bloat while I was on test.
High estrogen
Estrogen bloat from aromatase is just as common when on steroids or even for naturals, estrogen contributes to higher facial fat. You can reduce this with 10mg of aromasin
(aminoasylum.shop)
High aldosterone
throws off sodium potassium balance
Inflammation in buccinators from eating large bites, mew while swallowing
Shit Genetic fat stores, We weren't all made equal
sodium
otassium ratio, should try to go for 3:1 ideally. If your gonna go with carbs eat sweet potatoes as they are high in potassium
Youth fat stores, any youngcels reading this, have no fear your fat redistribution is near. By 20 years old your cheeks will begin to hallow naturally even at higher BF%
Weight loss, first and foremost. This is by far gonna give you more results than all of the aforementioned maxxes. Life doesnt start until 12% BF
The best fat loss drugs are DNP and Clenbuteral, don't waste your time with shit like ostarine.
40MCG of clen will have you shaking so hard it will have people thinking your schizo
Gua sha, is a meme AF but it honestly gives instant results for lymphatic drainage
Sauna, 20 minutes will sweat out all water, pair this with jump rope as its the fast way to lymphatic drain
-FILLER
Filler will give instant ogee, its not as ideal compared to zygomatic implants but im including it because you can DIY it.
aesthetics-shop.com is a good source for filler and botox. Just be careful if you nick a vein its GG.
you can fraud all the bones with filler I talked about
Tags
@Orc @pneumocystosis @SteveRogers @NorwoodAscender @dragomaxxer @TechnoBoss @coispet @Squirtle @Mike141 @NotCarv @CoreSchizo @TikiXVI
makes the difference between a chad & a normie
-Been a while since I created a guide, figured id explain the methods im working on.
after @CoreSchizo 's pathetic attempt at a DIY buccal fat removal, Someone needed to provide safer alternatives.
I PERFORMED BUCCAL FAT REMOVAL ON MYSELF (⚠️ GRAPHIC)
I PERFORMED BUCCAL FAT REMOVAL ON MYSELF I messed up, I went too high when trying to cut it out and hit something that made me start bleeding everywhere. I watched the surgery video, and the person didn't bleed this much. That's how I know I messed it up I still managed to pull out the fat...
looksmax.org
Understanding the bones/tissue that cause the ogee curve
-ZYGOS
Hollow cheeks are caused by lateral zygomatic projection as well as frontal prominence.
-Gonions/Jaw
The gonion shape will cause hallows also, more flared gonions and a wider bigonial width will stretch your face and create that look.
-Masseter Muscles
I included a video of myself flexing my masseter in the sun to show how it chisels my face, hypertrophy of the masseters with have this effect if they have proper insertions
Examples of elite, low masseter insertions. High masseter setness is a death sentence for hypertrophy enthusiasts. Also the pterygomasseteric sling in the gif posted above is extremely aesthetic jfl.
tldr here, only hypertrophy your masseters if they are low set.
you will look like a bloated pig if you chew with unideal masseters. If this is you, botox.
-Chin
Having strong chin projection can have a small effect on the soft tissue but barely. A chin wing osteotomy or genioplasty can be best for achieving this while also tightening the masseters.
-Taller skull
Having a taller skull and total FWHR will cause you to be less prone to bloating. Skull size is not a cope, Tyler Mahers skull allows him to be effortlessly debloated.
Ok, now you understand the things that will cause tightness of the soft tissue
-here's the tissue that causes you to bloat
-Buccal fat pads
This small fat store can make or break hallow cheeks, removal or atrophy of the buccal pad will almost always lead to hallow cheeks
Buccal pad removal results, instant OG.
You can easily self perform this surgery, im gonna try this shit eventually. Just dont remove more than 30-50%.
-The parotid duct/gland.
Atrophying the parotid duct via botox should lead to a better ogee according to @SteveRogers , going to consult a few more people on this because its not talked abt anywhere on the internet currently
-4 units of botox to the parotid, your jordan barrett instantly.
expectable results
-Bonus
The buccinators also hypertrophy when you eat with large bites, When I use to eat with a serving spoon on my bulk I hypertrophied my buccinators. Mewing while swallowing avoids activating them, and eating small bites.
How to actually atrophy the buccal fat pad via injection lipolysis
-Lipo Agents ranked
Lipolab
Aqualux
Kybella
Lemon/pine bottle
I tried lemonbottle and it was objectively shit and no non placebo results after 16 mL into buccals
Trying Lipo Lab when it arrives, allegedly 85% Atrophy of the fat in studies.
heres my attempt at lemon bottle, good guide on how to properly inject lipo agents
The Maxilla also has influence on the ogee curve
Here's an aspie video of barrett showing how his maxilla contributes to his hallow cheeks.
to improve the alveolar bones you can create volume via PDO threads.
sorry for image quality but threading here to create volume will help. I recommend using multi-threads to be able to insert more efficiently
blunt tipped multis (just get the 30g version)
Bloat
Bloat is the cuprite for most people not having hallow cheeks. Heres some debloating tips
Potassium Chloride
Why does no one talk about this underrated debloat supplement ?? +tips
I didnt post about Potassium Chloride because I figured it was water, but Apparently not? Potassium Chloride (KCL) is an extremely cheap and effective supplement to regulate sodium/potassium balance and have a debloated face Potassium chloride on amazon (source I use, literally giga...
looksmax.org
Quickest debloat supplement, results in 30 minutes.
Furosemide, best diuretic. 80 Mg every 3-5 days will do the trick
https://www.bgpharmadrugs.com/cart/
Water Cycling
Day 1- Limit water as much as possible
Day 2- 1/2 gallon
Day 3- 1/2 gallon
day 4- 1 gallon
day 5- 2 gallon
day 6- 1/2 gallon
day 7- 1/2 gallon
Low salt, less sodium. Sodium causes bloat. @pneumocystosis good find
Eating less Carbs, entering a state of ketosis is ideal. 100g or less per day
-taking preworkout with a large amount of water, I drink preworkout with .5 Gal of water because it causes me to piss more often.
-Some other causes of bloat
high androgen levels
Despite being lean, nick walker is bloated AF. After 400mg of test you will get bloated. Telmisartan helped my bloat while I was on test.
High estrogen
Estrogen bloat from aromatase is just as common when on steroids or even for naturals, estrogen contributes to higher facial fat. You can reduce this with 10mg of aromasin
(aminoasylum.shop)
High aldosterone
throws off sodium potassium balance
Inflammation in buccinators from eating large bites, mew while swallowing
Shit Genetic fat stores, We weren't all made equal
sodium
otassium ratio, should try to go for 3:1 ideally. If your gonna go with carbs eat sweet potatoes as they are high in potassiumYouth fat stores, any youngcels reading this, have no fear your fat redistribution is near. By 20 years old your cheeks will begin to hallow naturally even at higher BF%
Weight loss, first and foremost. This is by far gonna give you more results than all of the aforementioned maxxes. Life doesnt start until 12% BF
The best fat loss drugs are DNP and Clenbuteral, don't waste your time with shit like ostarine.
40MCG of clen will have you shaking so hard it will have people thinking your schizo
Gua sha, is a meme AF but it honestly gives instant results for lymphatic drainage
Sauna, 20 minutes will sweat out all water, pair this with jump rope as its the fast way to lymphatic drain
-FILLER
Filler will give instant ogee, its not as ideal compared to zygomatic implants but im including it because you can DIY it.
aesthetics-shop.com is a good source for filler and botox. Just be careful if you nick a vein its GG.
you can fraud all the bones with filler I talked about
Tags
@Orc @pneumocystosis @SteveRogers @NorwoodAscender @dragomaxxer @TechnoBoss @coispet @Squirtle @Mike141 @NotCarv @CoreSchizo @TikiXVI
also sum ppl might understand words that i say but not what im talking about ive had several ppl try to debate me in replies, a few i think r people yk, and they all just sound stupid because they read some threads on here and think theyre genius
