PAGNONI CONSULT DISASTER

[goku21]

If that outline is similar to u well gg nga

 

[vnw[oggwg]

Why bothering with an Italian surgeon, when one of the best trimax results from these past months came out of Australia ?

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The Australian doctor in charge of this surgery is Mehrnoosh Nu Dastaran, based in Melbourne https://omfs.com.au/specialist/dr-mehrnoosh-nu-dastaran/

Here's a FB group dedicated to jaw surgery in Australia : https://www.facebook.com/groups/715136333538032/
You'll probably find other local recommendations there.
Maybe you'll even find a local surgeon who can place your infra-malar implant just as well as Pag would.

P.-S. I see that you already posted in this other thread earlier today, which contains interesting info about Medicare/PHI's coverage of jaw surgery : https://looksmax.org/threads/best-countries-for-trimax.1850953/

Surely this guy has jaw angle implants or something more than just bimax. Insane results though.

Yeah I was gonna ask that user because I moved from a shitty country town in outback QLD to Brisbane and he apparently found a jaw surgeon in the city I live in who must be blackpilled so I want to know who that guy is before I spend $1000 and 6 months waiting to do 3 consults with rando local surgons who might all tell me to see a psychologist or some bluepilled bullshit.

. The shit thing about Australia is you have to sign up for private health insurance and wait 12 months before surgery and then your hospital fees and some of the plates are covered by the insurance. So like $15000 of insurance for 1 year of top coverage saves you 50% off $60000 plates and PEEK implants and a $30000 hospital fees. I think you still have to pay full surgeon and anethetist fees so it's still $80000 all up but you wait a minimum 12 months whereas going to Italy with pags you might pay 40000 euros all out of pocket but get the surgery done sooner. Of course the downside is if you have a problem then its $3000 to fly back to Italy and $100 per day for a hostel and food and then another 20000 euros for hospital fees I guess.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

why did you change that often?

First one I went to, I wasn’t into BP at all and had not even joined to forum so I had limited knowledge. Also he was more so a wisdom teeth puller from country side France than regular bimax surgeon.

Then had consult with 3 other including Pag and wasn’t satisfied.

Then found my surgeon in Paris. I was able to ask him detailed questions etc. By this time all 5 surgeons pretty much agreed on what to do so for my case so I was reassured.

Btw ortho thought I was schizo for changing mid treatment

 

[LEFORT17]

First one I went to, I wasn’t into BP at all and had not even joined to forum so I had limited knowledge. Also he was more so a wisdom teeth puller from country side France than regular bimax surgeon.

Then had consult with 3 other including Pag and wasn’t satisfied.

Then found my surgeon in Paris. I was able to ask him detailed questions etc. By this time all 5 surgeons pretty much agreed on what to do so for my case so I was reassured.

Btw ortho thought I was schizo for changing mid treatment

what even made you start thinking about jaw surgery when you werent bped

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

what even made you start thinking about jaw surgery when you werent bped

Good question idk I always knew I had a birdcel side prof.
I was with my ex at the time and I realized how good it feels when a girl admires you and that made me want to get more ig

 

[Rex.]

i might got lucky but i found that type of surgeon for me. almost 0 media presence, experienced and skilled, guy is even close with sailer. hes very based too getting me everything i want through insurance. another guy on here which im close to will go to him too

malina?

 

[WhateverItTakes1]

totally normal consult... he cant do shit if your teeth arent fixed yet.

 

[LEFORT17]

Good question idk I always knew I had a birdcel side prof.
I was with my ex at the time and I realized how good it feels when a girl admires you and that made me want to get more ig

good mindset admiring. personally every penny i spend is for self improvement too. feels strange went from spending hundreds on fortnite skins to thousands on myself if its for soft or hardmax

 

[LEFORT17]

malina?

nah

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

good mindset admiring. personally every penny i spend is for self improvement too. feels strange went from spending hundreds on fortnite skins to thousands on myself if its for soft or hardmax

yes so true. Used to be clothes for me. All cope.
Now i've spent so much if you count all the pharmaceuticals, peptides, etc
Will prolly pay 10k€more this year too

 

[RazerGlazer]

I'm actually a class 1 my occlusion is actually correct from braces but I'm obviously recessed. My face is really asymmetrical from the front and my whole jaw is wonky on my right side.

lmagine I find an ortho in Australia who is prepared to work with some rando italian surgeon and then I consult with pags again and he says "no I won't operate on you"

That's the big hurdle. I have $100k USD saved up from wagecelling but literally all of it would be gone paying hospital bills if I went to Walline, Gunson, Bell.

Who did you end up getting to operate on you?

Dude it was ropefuel getting mogged by this NW0 guy on zoom in his clean white studio with good lighting

he looks even better irl he is 6'2

 

[LEFORT17]

yes so true. Used to be clothes for me. All cope.
Now i've spent so much if you count all the pharmaceuticals, peptides, etc
Will prolly pay 10k€more this year too

yeah me too, was pandabuy maxxing a long time

 

[CopeTilliRope]

i’m happy i found an altruistic surgeon with sub100 instagram followers. i couldn’t imagine trying to contact and go through with any of the big guys if you aren’t already white and with an ok base.

i saw an interesting thread on here about how being sub5 does no favors walking into a consult. not only are surgeons not immune to lookism but they also 99% want a good, publishable B/A. a sub5 walking in is like already rotting meat lol. even if they do decide to proceed with your case, it’s likely less effort will be put into something like say an already good looking girl. he’s working on a masterpiece right there but for you, it’s “whatever, i’ll see what i can do.” str8 backburner shit brutal

this is an extremelly high iq take the uglier i got the worst i get treated by surgeon and doc even if they are supposed to be professional . even them you got to make an effort the day of the consult to appear your best lookswise.

and btw even if you find a chill surgeon that seem to be a good dude you better pray the results is good and you don't need revision .

that's when they show their true face if they mess up you're gonna see how most surgeons are ..... trash individuals that only see you as a potential paycheck to buy their new suv.

Another good way to bypass that is to actually come to the consult with someone or a relative that look good or possess status. younger i used to consult with my chad dad that is 2 meters and surgeons were all extra fucking nice to me especially if you tell them your parents are lawyers or something. that's how i made sure my revision rhinoplasty went smoothly

 

[Psl.sinper]

Do you have malocclusion or asymmetry? Most of reputable surgeons won’t operate on you otherwise. Ramieri will probably be even harsher

I have a class II malocclusion and want to get trimax. Are you saying they won't operate on you at all because of this? or do I have to fix the malocclusion first with Invisalign or decomp my teeth?

 

[ascension to heaven]

pagnoni has the dream life, is good looking, is the leader of vape nation

incels made him rich - he gets paid to insult them during consults and vapes in their face
never have to post a single B/A ( only shows you on his PC so you gotta come for consult )
the B/A arent even good, genuinely every maxfac has these
POSSIBLY botches around 3215679232167853 people, report of it all over reddit and jaw surgery fb groups
but looksmax authists dont care, because sadly only 6 surgeons exists in the entire european continent, so they come to him anyway to get humiliated

no wonder he doesnt take looksmax authists seriously, ppl rlly get botch by him and then "say wow thank you for the BLACKPILLED movement dr pagnoni u are a LEGEND on .org" ( they cant chew, got non union on the chungus downgraft and got nerve dmg ) and byy the time the looksmax authist realize that they got smoked ( literally )

dr pagnoni rips a fat smoke cloud from his vape and vanishes like in pokemon taking ur 30-35k with him
( tho he is open to another 40 big ones for revision )

 

[_Lucius]

I have a class II malocclusion and want to get trimax. Are you saying they won't operate on you at all because of this? or do I have to fix the malocclusion first with Invisalign or decomp my teeth?

Reputable surgeons will not operate on people without malocclusion or asymmetry/deformation. Although the procedure is safe and has a very high satisfaction rate, it is not to be done on people who have class I bite or those who can be fixed with orthodontics.

Generally, you need to decompensate 10-18 months prior to surgery. This is because the body compensates your teeth if your jaws have not grown correctly. Decompensation should always be done in coordination between your othodontist and surgeon. Once decompensation is done, the surgeon will move the jaws into the planned position and secure with titanium fixation (plates). Usually need a few months of orthodontics after surgery aswell.

 

[Psl.sinper]

Reputable surgeons will not operate on people without malocclusion or asymmetry/deformation. Although the procedure is safe and has a very high satisfaction rate, it is not to be done on people who have class I bite or those who can be fixed with orthodontics.

Generally, you need to decompensate 10-18 months prior to surgery. This is because the body compensates your teeth if your jaws have not grown correctly. Decompensation should always be done in coordination between your othodontist and surgeon. Once decompensation is done, the surgeon will move the jaws into the planned position and secure with titanium fixation (plates). Usually need a few months of orthodontics after surgery aswell.

thanks brotha! basically I'm fucked then but I shall not give up

 

[_Lucius]

thanks brotha! basically I'm fucked then but I shall not give up

No, if you have skeletal class II malocclusion, you are a candidate for surgery. Do you have any measurements?

 

[CopeTilliRope]

pagnoni has the dream life, is good looking, is the leader of vape nation

incels made him rich - he gets paid to insult them during consults and vapes in their face
never have to post a single B/A ( only shows you on his PC so you gotta come for consult )
the B/A arent even good, genuinely every maxfac has these
POSSIBLY botches around 3215679232167853 people, report of it all over reddit and jaw surgery fb groups
but looksmax authists dont care, because sadly only 6 surgeons exists in the entire european continent, so they come to him anyway to get humiliated

no wonder he doesnt take looksmax authists seriously, ppl rlly get botch by him and then "say wow thank you for the BLACKPILLED movement dr pagnoni u are a LEGEND on .org" ( they cant chew, got non union on the chungus downgraft and got nerve dmg ) and byy the time the looksmax authist realize that they got smoked ( literally )

dr pagnoni rips a fat smoke cloud from his vape and vanishes like in pokemon taking ur 30-35k with him
( tho he is open to another 40 big ones for revision )

and honestly djs surgery is such a stupid stupid surgery unless you're severly recessed as it does nothing from the frontal perspective ( will make many worse actually ) . plus as you said the number of guy they do botch is insane .

consulted with another faggot surgeon in france who planned on placing implants on me and when i asked to see some before and after of patient with thicker skin the after results all looked like bloated potatoes and the dude was trying to gaslight me as if those were top tier results.

the dude spent more time raving about is aftercare cryotherapy recovery machine than his actual abilities to produce decent results . i swear i have no idea how some of these dudes get their diplomas

 

[LEFORT17]

and honestly djs surgery is such a stupid stupid surgery unless you're severly recessed as it does nothing from the frontal perspective ( will make many worse actually ) . plus as you said the number of guy they do botch is insane .

consulted with another faggot surgeon in france who planned on placing implants on me and when i asked to see some before and after of patient with thicker skin the after results all looked like bloated potatoes and the dude was trying to gaslight me as if those were top tier results.

the dude spent more time raving about is aftercare cryotherapy recovery machine than his actual abilities to produce decent results . i swear i have no idea how some of these dudes get their diplomas

what have you done so far

 

[CopeTilliRope]

what have you done so far

2 rhino , laser eye colour change , and fillers and a ton of hair procedure . obviously bimax is mandatory if you are heavily recessed or got massive bites issues just i'm not that recessed at all and got some failos that are not fixable through standard lefort 1 ( long phitrum etc )

 

[LEFORT17]

2 rhino , laser eye colour change , and fillers and a ton of hair procedure . obviously bimax is mandatory if you are heavily recessed or got massive bites issues just i'm not that recessed at all and got some failos that are not fixable through standard lefort 1 ( long phitrum etc )

well gl with whatever ur gonna do now

 

[TheEndMogger]

I'm actually a class 1 my occlusion is actually correct from braces but I'm obviously recessed. My face is really asymmetrical from the front and my whole jaw is wonky on my right side.

lmagine I find an ortho in Australia who is prepared to work with some rando italian surgeon and then I consult with pags again and he says "no I won't operate on you"

That's the big hurdle. I have $100k USD saved up from wagecelling but literally all of it would be gone paying hospital bills if I went to Walline, Gunson, Bell.

Who did you end up getting to operate on you?

Dude it was ropefuel getting mogged by this NW0 guy on zoom in his clean white studio with good lighting

howd you save 100k? how long?

 

[Acquiescence]

howd you save 100k? how long?

 

[Psl.sinper]

No, if you have skeletal class II malocclusion, you are a candidate for surgery. Do you have any measurements?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. can you dm me so I can send pics and you give me advice

 

[vma]

hmm def true for alfaro and the italiens, but 100% not over for europeans. there are some very good surgeons in france, germany even romania who are very affordable and skilled

are you aware of any surgeons in romania? I wanted to reach out to you in private but ur privacy setting doesn’t allow me

 

[vermicel]

are you aware of any surgeons in romania?

Naos Clinica in Bucharest
There's another one in Timisoara, but you'll have to DM @Lefor3Laser for the name (he's Romanian).

 

[vma]

Naos Clinica in Bucharest
There's another one in Timisoara, but you'll have to DM @Lefor3Laser for the name (he's Romanian).

left him a message. from what I see he’s not very active but hopefully he answers since im desperate for alternatives. Naos is too pricey

 

[FunnyVALENTINE]

Did a virtual consult with Pagnoni and it was a total failure.

I sent him CTs, high res pictures of my face and cephs and he obviously looked at them prior to us speaking but what he said completely blew me away. I had already said in my initial email that I wanted leftort I, BSSO, genio and malar and infraorbital implants and that I was looking for an orthodontist in my own country who would prep my teeth for surgery. Instead of addressing any of it he gave me a bluepilled speech and told me to get orthodontics.

Pags - beauty is subjective some people need to get surgery and other people don't, people can still be attractive despite not having perfect features

Me - ok but I want surgery what would you do in my case?

Pags - you have to go to an orthodontist and get decompensation in your upper and lower jaw first and then repeat all of your CTs and xrays and do another consultation.

Me - ok can we talk about any of the potential movements you would do on me if my teeth were aligned?

Pags - no there's no point talking about anything not until you get decompensation

Me - I don't even know what to ask you or talk about now if we can't discuss surgery

Pags - well maybe I will talk to you after you do the orthodontic work then, goodbye!

He spoke to me for around 5 minutes total, he was polite but very blunt and tbh I felt like a complete retard getting BTFO like that. I called and emailed a bunch of orthodontists in my city asking about working with overseas surgeons and never found one by the deadline of the consult so it was partly my fault but I at least expected him to maybe talk about what surgeries he would do. What do I even do now? Do I consult Ramieri and try him?

I traced a picture of me into paint to post here but my side profile is absolutely subhuman tier and there's no surgeon on the planet who would unironically not recommend trimax to me.

No pics no care

 

[mateus17]

Alfaro in Spain will overadvance you, the trio in Spain will overcharge, local hospital surgeons cheap out on standard plates and conservative movements. It’s over for us Europeans

Turkey is the only other option. Brazil and Colombia if your willing to travel farther.