pagnoni or raffaini?

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who do y'all think is better
 
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A friend even did the mythical Browridge implant under Pagnoni, turned out amazing. That's all I know about Pagnoni, I don't know the other dude so I couldn't say.
 
Raffaini is better but discriminates against non Italians
 
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Raffaini is better but discriminates against non Italians
are u black irl? pagnoni is king of implants here and raffaini can ascend women hard and his rhinos look fire but yeah
 
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Raffaini is better but discriminates against non Italians
i should just pretend to be part italian. i'm white latino so maybe i could pass. but honestly i haven't seen any really good cases like mine from him (with long face and retruded mandible on a male)
A friend even did the mythical Browridge implant under Pagnoni, turned out amazing. That's all I know about Pagnoni, I don't know the other dude so I couldn't say.
yeah i want the infras and supras. could you message me your friend's result if you don't mind? it would be helpful
are u black irl? pagnoni is king of implants here and raffaini can ascend women hard and his rhinos look fire but yeah
so is raffaini better for just bimax and rhino? and then i could go to pagnoni for implants
 
i should just pretend to be part italian. i'm white latino so maybe i could pass. but honestly i haven't seen any really good cases like mine from him (with long face and retruded mandible on a male)

yeah i want the infras and supras. could you message me your friend's result if you don't mind? it would be helpful

so is raffaini better for just bimax and rhino? and then i could go to pagnoni for implants
Check pms
 
i should just pretend to be part italian. i'm white latino so maybe i could pass. but honestly i haven't seen any really good cases like mine from him (with long face and retruded mandible on a male)

yeah i want the infras and supras. could you message me your friend's result if you don't mind? it would be helpful

so is raffaini better for just bimax and rhino? and then i could go to pagnoni for implants
depends on your case we need to see your face to assess the situation but I would say for rhino raffaini wins he has crazy results on women i guess he could also get crazy results on men pagnoni has a proven trackrecord here that he does good implants
 
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Pagnoni mogs unless you need a rhino. His wedge cut genio and jaw widening are more in line with what you want out of surgery.
 
Pagnoni mogs unless you need a rhino. His wedge cut genio and jaw widening are more in line with what you want out of surgery.
i also want chico tier eyes and he does good orbital implants right. i was thinking of rhino too but that could be an afterthought
 
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i also want chico tier eyes and he does good orbital implants right. i was thinking of rhino too but that could be an afterthought
Yeah his supra and infra implants are godlike
 
Yeah his supra and infra implants are godlike
how much is each implant combined with his bimax? i want to make sure what he told me is correct, i may have misunderstood bc he was lagging a lot in our zoom call
 
how much is each implant combined with his bimax? i want to make sure what he told me is correct, i may have misunderstood bc he was lagging a lot in our zoom call
24k for bimax + genio and 4K for each implant after. So it would be 32k for bimax + genio + supra and infra
 
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My bimax with Pagnoni was excellent result, so I recommend him

Raffaini I dont know so much, just that he has a lot of great cases with italian women
 
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24k for bimax + genio and 4K for each implant after. So it would be 32k for bimax + genio + supra and infra
infra and zygos can be a combined one right? that's a good deal i could ascend hard after
 
My bimax with Pagnoni was excellent result, so I recommend him

Raffaini I dont know so much, just that he has a lot of great cases with italian women
do you mind pming your result i would really love to see it
 
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infra and zygos can be a combined one right? that's a good deal i could ascend hard after
32k in total for infra and supra + bimax and genio. It’s expensive but given how much you’re getting out of one surgery it’s an extremely good investment looksmaxxing wise.
 
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32k in total for infra and supra + bimax and genio. It’s expensive but given how much you’re getting out of one surgery it’s an extremely good investment looksmaxxing wise.
what i meant in my comment was that zygos and infraorbitals are often done together as a single implant right?

but yeah it's a good investment, most surgeons don't charge less than that though so i wouldn't say it's THAT expensive
 
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32k in total for infra and supra + bimax and genio. It’s expensive but given how much you’re getting out of one surgery it’s an extremely good investment looksmaxxing wise.
Can Pagnoni also do lower eyelid retraction + Blepharo. Does he do good oculoplastic work?
 
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Can Pagnoni also do lower eyelid retraction + Blepharo. Does he do good oculoplastic work?
he showed me a patient he did canthoplasty on so i assume he knows how to do other eye procedures as well
 
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Sunil richardson >>>
 
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Pagnoni mogs unless you need a rhino. His wedge cut genio and jaw widening are more in line with what you want out of surgery.
Jaw widening makes no sense. Usually narrow jaw cels lack gonion flaring, osteotomies don’t fix that
 
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4K for infraorbitals??
It’s a discounted price since you’d be getting it with a bimax. I don’t know how much he charges for implants alone
 
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It’s a discounted price since you’d be getting it with a bimax. I don’t know how much he charges for implants alone
Could you show some results? I need infra implants.
 
Could you show some results? I need infra implants.
Consults with Pagnoni are free and he usually gets back to you in less then a week. He doesn’t post his results but he will show you them during the consult.
 
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Consults with Pagnoni are free and he usually gets back to you in less then a week. He doesn’t post his results but he will show you them during the consult.
Online consult or in person?
 
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Jaw widening makes no sense. Usually narrow jaw cels lack gonion flaring, osteotomies don’t fix that
@feelgood enlighten me on this useless surgery
 
@feelgood enlighten me on this useless surgery
If there’s no issue with jaw shape it achieves the same result an implant would. But if your ramus is too short and you have inward gonions then you’d still need jaw angle implants to achieve ideal shape.
 
If there’s no issue with jaw shape it achieves the same result an implant would. But if your ramus is too short and you have inward gonions then you’d still need jaw angle implants to achieve ideal shape.
doubt someone has outward gonions with narrow jaw
 
A friend even did the mythical Browridge implant under Pagnoni, turned out amazing. That's all I know about Pagnoni, I don't know the other dude so I couldn't say.
what kind of irl friends you have jfl

did you ever touch it? can a normie feel that there is implant over there?
 
Not irl friend. Online. From all the pictures I've seen not even Looksmaxxing Savants will be able to tell.
 
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My bimax with Pagnoni was excellent result, so I recommend him

Raffaini I dont know so much, just that he has a lot of great cases with italian women
Can you please DM me your result?
 

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