Pagnoni vs Ramieri for Trimax?

[ZyzzBrah]

Based on my research online, Dr Pagnoni and Dr Ramieri are the best for blackpilled upper/lower jaw procedures.

What are your thoughts on these two? The main things I need corrected is slightly recessed maxilla with downward growth, and I need more forward growth, trimax + CCW (impaction of the maxlla) is what I will most likely need.

 

[Somatropin]

ive seen anecdotes that Paganini has botched people so I would say Ramieri

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

ram all the way

 

[Orka]

Ramieri

 

[LEFORT17]

Based on my research online, Dr Pagnoni and Dr Ramieri are the best for blackpilled upper/lower jaw procedures.

What are your thoughts on these two? The main things I need corrected is slightly recessed maxilla with downward growth, and I need more forward growth, trimax + CCW (impaction of the maxlla) is what I will most likely need.

u got a gummy smile?

 

[ZyzzBrah]

u got a gummy smile?

eh slightly, more than ideal but not a death sentence

 

[father_john]

Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

 

[LEFORT17]

Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

pagnoni literally does WRONG cut without any scientific prove of not harming the nerves/causing non unions. trust me its NOT because of the amount of movement pag does

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

Ramieri did once 20 mm BSS0 for severly recessed case on record and last week a member here got 15 mm BSSO

He is improving a lot since 2023 and keep his male aesthetics result private and likes to publish conservative cases on Instagram from blue pilled patients

 

[lurking truecel]

Ramieri did once 20 mm BSS0 for severly recessed case on record and last week a member here got 15 mm BSSO

He is improving a lot since 2023 and keep his male aesthetics result private and likes to publish conservative cases on Instagram from blue pilled patients

I got 13 mm bsso but he allways goes low on maxilla

 

[LTNUser]

I got 13 mm bsso but he allways goes low on maxilla

What's bsso ?

 

[lurking truecel]

Both ram and pag is overated. There are many better or equal bimax surgeons. You litteraly pay extra because other people on the forum went to them. And yea pag is kinda off the chart now. His prices are ridiculous

 

[lurking truecel]

What's bsso ?

Hope you joking but yea

 

[LEFORT17]

What's bsso ?

damn 31k posts in not even a year

 

[lurking truecel]

Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

Also he does misstakes but yea this is very true. He never does much maxilla movements which is bad

 

[LEFORT17]

I got 13 mm bsso but he allways goes low on maxilla

can i see your movement chart?

 

[lurking truecel]

can i see your movement chart?

I dont have it

 

[LEFORT17]

I dont have it

monkey

 

[FutureSlayer]

Both are good, it’s a personal type of choice

 

[lurking truecel]

monkey

Also a movement chart is worthless when the surgeons allways deviates from it. Just lol if you think any surgeon follows those charts. And this is def true even for ram and pag. Like ofc the plan is to follow it but most of the time its not followed

 

[LEFORT17]

Also a movement chart is worthless when the surgeons allways deviates from it. Just lol if you think any surgeon follows those charts. And this is def true even for ram and pag. Like ofc the plan is to follow it but most of the time its not followed

nah i was just curious how much lefort movement he wanted to give u lol

 

[lurking truecel]

nah i was just curious how much lefort movement he wanted to give u lol

5 mm ans, but he will never go more then that, on anyone. Which is bad but in some ways good.

 

[LEFORT17]

5 mm ans, but he will never go more then that, on anyone. Which is bad but in some ways good.

do you know your sna degree pre op maybe?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Botch this botch that. The reason ramieri doesnt botch is because he doesnt do big movements. Small and simple movements have a lower risk of things going wrong. It’s that simple.

And end up looking natural and good, wich that's what matters the most.

 

[lurking truecel]

do you know your sna degree pre op maybe?

Nope

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Both ram and pag is overated. There are many better or equal bimax surgeons. You litteraly pay extra because other people on the forum went to them. And yea pag is kinda off the chart now. His prices are ridiculous

Wich is true, alot of the times people here underrate unknown surgeons who might be as good as famous ones here or even better.

 

[lurking truecel]

do you know your sna degree pre op maybe?

And end up looking natural and good, wich that's what matters the most.

Make a dm i will send something

 

[LTNUser]

damn 31k posts in not even a year

Fix your post to rep ratio,pal

 

[LEFORT17]

Fix your post to rep ratio,pal

nah ur him brodyyy keep it up roadto100k