People seriously drastically underplay the risk-reward ratio for surgeries

[Pakicel]

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

 

[metagross]

Most people do look better with surgery. It's just true

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Most people do look better with surgery. It's just true

 

[Pakicel]

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Yep. That's what the average looksmaxxer will look like after getting many surgeries. They look like shit most of the time.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

why do you wanna do instead

 

[Pakicel]

why do you wanna do instead

IDK dude. I am a subhuman with zero SMV. I can either try through surgerycelling or just give up instead.

Giving up may sound defeatist but the mental and physical anguish of planning and going through multiple surgeries doesn't seem to be worth it.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

IDK dude. I am a subhuman with zero SMV. I can either try through surgerycelling or just give up instead.

exactly. revisions exist btw. like with implants especially if you feel they're too big or whatever you can get them adjusted and usually surgeons are really forthcoming when it comes to this because they don't want to deal with shitty reviews/rep.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

only bimax + genio have serious risk of getting you botched, rhino has a good chance of looking fake and uncanny. Implants and HT are much less risky, and won't look uncanny if you don't choose a retarded straight hairline or huge implants. so i'd prioritize the surgeries with the highest reward for the least risk if you aren't legit deformed

imagine paying $20k for bimax to eat through a straw for 1 year if you could have just gotten implants.

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

show me the guy

 

[Pakicel]

only bimax + genio have serious risk of getting you botched, rhino has a good chance of looking fake and uncanny. Implants and HT are much less risky, and won't look uncanny if you don't choose a retarded straight hairline or huge implants. so i'd prioritize the surgeries with the highest reward for the least risk if you aren't legit deformed

Nigga. It's the other way round. Implants are notorious for producing uncanny fake outcomes. You are get legit placing a foreign object in your face. I have never. I mean never seen an implant result that actually looks good.

I could minimize the risks by being conservative with my bimax+genio movements. But for all time, money and effort, I'd want a bigger improvement.

 

[Deleted member 8869]

only bimax + genio have serious risk of getting you botched, rhino has a good chance of looking fake and uncanny. Implants and HT are much less risky, and won't look uncanny if you don't choose a retarded straight hairline or huge implants. so i'd prioritize the surgeries with the highest reward for the least risk if you aren't legit deformed

imagine paying $20k for bimax to eat through a straw for 1 year if you could have just gotten implants.

why is bimax and genio so risky in your opinion? what if i need it cuz i am recessed?

 

[Smoke Fanboy]

Does it even matter though? If you are paki its done, it didnt even began for you. There is no surgery that can convert curries to humans

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

why is bimax and genio so risky in your opinion? what if i need it cuz i am recessed?

imo it's not. it's just that when it does fail then you're kinda screwed compared to just removing an implant or something.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

You are get legit placing a foreign object in your face.

placing a bunch of screws and plates into your face while cutting gaps into your bone isn't much different.

I have never. I mean never seen an implant result that actually looks good.

because most people choose retarded implant sizes.

 

[Pakicel]

only bimax + genio have serious risk of getting you botched, rhino has a good chance of looking fake and uncanny. Implants and HT are much less risky, and won't look uncanny if you don't choose a retarded straight hairline or huge implants. so i'd prioritize the surgeries with the highest reward for the least risk if you aren't legit deformed

imagine paying $20k for bimax to eat through a straw for 1 year if you could have just gotten implants.

Bimax is the only option that is most likely to fix your jaws without making you look uncanny in motion. Imagine having a massive projected jaw but your teeth are set back dude to recessed jaws.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

I could minimize the risks by being conservative with my bimax+genio movements.

jfl if you think bimax is less risky than any implant placement

 

[Pakicel]

imo it's not. it's just that when it does fail then you're kinda screwed compared to just removing an implant or something.

Yeah. You end up like tyrion.

You legit need to have an expert level understanding of how moving the jaws effects all of the other parts of the face to not fuck up. Surgeons don't give af and will give you sub par movements.

 

[Pakicel]

jfl if you think bimax is less risky than any implant placement

It's your own bone so it's less likely to look uncanny than plastic shoved in your face. Implants just give a weird look to your face in motion.

 

[Pakicel]

Does it even matter though? If you are paki its done, it didnt even began for you. There is no surgery that can convert curries to humans

Yeah. It's over for my pasty ass as I can't even thugmax like the dravidians here.

There is only ascension for me through surgery.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

It's your own bone so it's less likely to look uncanny than plastic shoved in your face. Implants just give a weird look to your face in motion.

cope. the material literally doesn't matter. inb4 you're one of the guys that thinks cutting out a part bone fromyour hip to shove it in front of your chin will make it look any less uncanny

 

[Pakicel]

cope. the material literally doesn't matter.

Well. In your defence, Gaia's cheek implants look very natural in motion. His jaw turned out quite good.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Yeah. You end up like tyrion.

You legit need to have an expert level understanding of how moving the jaws effects all of the other parts of the face to not fuck up. Surgeons don't give af and will give you sub par movements.

this is true. I think a lot, if not most surgery fails are owed to patients letting the surgeon sell them some shit because they don't know better.

for example I had a weird upper lip and one guy wanted to put fillers in my lower lip to balance it out which would have looked ridiculous, so I declined and travelled a bunch to get the upper lip reduced instead which ended up pretty much perfect.

 

[Pakicel]

this is true. I think a lot, if not most surgery fails are owed to patients letting the surgeon sell them some shit because they don't know better.

for example I had a weird upper lip and one guy wanted to put fillers in my lower lip to balance it out which would have looked ridiculous, so I declined and travelled a bunch to get the upper lip reduced instead.

I have SFS like you. What kind of movements are you planning to fix it?

Biggest ascensions are usually people with short faces especially if it is combined with birdceldom. I have both JFL.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Yeah. You end up like tyrion.

how do you know how he turned out and still prefer bimax/genio cope over implants if you aren't giga-recessed if you went for a retarded implant size you can take it out adjust it and place it back into your face. tyrion is literally fucked and looks like frankenstein with numbness in his bottom half of his face

 

[Pakicel]

how do you know how he turned out and still prefer bimax/genio cope over implants if you aren't giga-recessed if you went for a retarded implant size you can take it out adjust it and place it back into your face. tyrion is literally fucked and looks like frankenstein

Tyrion didn't have the sort of issues I had in motion. I.e. lack of tooth show etc. He could have gotten away with genio or less conservative bimax movements. But no. The nigga wanted to get a massive jaw.

 

[Warlow]

only bimax + genio have serious risk of getting you botched, rhino has a good chance of looking fake and uncanny. Implants and HT are much less risky, and won't look uncanny if you don't choose a retarded straight hairline or huge implants. so i'd prioritize the surgeries with the highest reward for the least risk if you aren't legit deformed

imagine paying $20k for bimax to eat through a straw for 1 year if you could have just gotten implants.

what? i'd argue implants have a greater likelihood of botching somebody jfl, doesn't make bimax any less risky, but implants are always closer to botching someone than osteotomies

 

[Pakicel]

I have SFS like you. What kind of movements are you planning to fix it?

Biggest ascensions are usually people with short faces especially if it is combined with birdceldom. I have both JFL.

Additional time, money and effort to adjust that implant. Also, implants stretch the skin and fuck up soft tissue.

 

[coolguy1]

Bimax+genio isn't that risky when u are actually recessed, a ton of normies do this surgery aswell

 

[Deleted member 7098]

what? i'd argue implants have a greater likelihood of botching somebody jfl, doesn't make bimax any less risky, but implants are always closer to botching someone than osteotomies

botching in like permanently damaging nerves or fucking you up beyond repair? no. just not true. implants look more often uncanny, but an implant revision is a relatively small procedure and can be done multiple times. while with osteotomies you can only break your jaw so many times

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

I have SFS like you. What kind of movements are you planning to fix it?

I still haven't figured that out 100% but I think now I'm at a point where I could avoid getting botched by shitty surgeon planning.

sfs needs maxillary downgrafting obviously and ccw/cw rotation using your occlusal plane as reference. imo the main factor to not getting botched is simply not doing too much advancement. for bimax, I would absolutely always do 3D planning with the surgeon so you can negotiate exactly how much advancement/rotation you get and really get involved in the planning. if after that you still feel it's a bad plan, consult a different surgeon.

not getting bimax with sfs would be a waste brah.

 

[Deleted member 18372]

Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun

pics or links?

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Bimax+genio isn't that risky when u are actually recessed, a ton of normies do this surgery aswell

for actual birdcels, where any improvement is an improvement. if you have a good base you take a relatively way higher risk

 

[Pakicel]

pics or links?

I don't want to spread his face. But he just looks very uncanny after so many surgeries.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

highest inhib post ever

 

[khvirgin]

You're technically right but what do I have to lose
To sex less incel sex less incel

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

The doctors could even cuss right in front of you and you wouldn't have a clue, because you'd be out like a light. They could even cuss about you!

 

[needjawsurgery]

With some doctors you can get those in one surgery, check Gaias thread.
I have SFS too and I have not seen an SFS before and after where the guy didn't ascend or at least improve his appearance massively.

 

[Pakicel]

highest inhib post ever

It is not about high inhib. You are delusional if you think the average nigga here can become gl through surgery or whatever.

Face it. It has never happened. Most surgeries have minimal impact on your appeal to women. It can make a subhuman a normie, but even that is not guaranteed.

 

[Pakicel]

With some doctors you can get those in one surgery, check Gaias thread.
I have SFS too and I have not seen an SFS before and after where the guy didn't ascend or at least improve his appearance massively.

Lifefuel. But my SFS is not severe. I might end up a long-faced ogre after bimax.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

It is not about high inhib. You are delusional if you think the average nigga here can become gl through surgery or whatever.

Face it. It has never happened. Most surgeries have minimal impact on your appeal to women. It can make a subhuman a normie, but even that is not guaranteed.

I didn't say they could
Good planning combined with softmaxxes will ascend anyone 1 PSL
give a man a chin and that's a guaranteed looksmax

most people just have a bad approach however, putting bulky jaw implants while being badly recessed. or cheekbone implants making their underreye support look worse

 

[Pakicel]

The doctors could even cuss right in front of you and you wouldn't have a clue, because you'd be out like a light. They could even cuss about you!

Least of my worries, boyo.

 

[Pakicel]

I didn't say they could
Good planning combined with softmaxxes will ascend anyone 1 PSL
give a man a chin and that's a guaranteed looksmax

most people just have a bad approach however, putting bulky jaw implants while being badly recessed. or cheekbone implants making their underreye support look worse

But why has it never happened here? I have yet to see a single result where a normie becomes gl through bimax and implants.

 

[needjawsurgery]

Lifefuel. But my SFS is not severe. I might end up a long-faced ogre after bimax.

if you look anything like this you have sfs and it needs to be fixed asap

 

[Pakicel]

I didn't say they could
Good planning combined with softmaxxes will ascend anyone 1 PSL
give a man a chin and that's a guaranteed looksmax

most people just have a bad approach however, putting bulky jaw implants while being badly recessed. or cheekbone implants making their underreye support look worse

Cope. I shared a pic of a dude who probably IQmogs and shekelmogs everyone here to the grave. Got every single surgery under the sun.

Has he ascended? Looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. He was an average white guy who looksminned hard.

 

[Deleted member 14905]

Bro you rated me ltn but i get girl's texting me and wanting to meet up idk if i should get surgery

 

[Pakicel]

if you look anything like this you have sfs and it needs to be fixed asap
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Nah. My mentolabial fold is not that deep. I just have short face with limited tooth show when I talk.

 

[Pakicel]

Bro you rated me ltn but i get girl's texting me and wanting to meet up idk if i should get surgery

Then that is what matters. Part of the problem is you sent me pics from weird distorted angles. Maybe, you look better IRL.

What did other users rate you?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

But why has it never happened here? I have yet to see a single result where a normie becomes gl through bimax and implants.

isn't there that story in botb? The other recent one not @Gaia262 's

also the niche of these jaw surgeries is so small that you're unlikely to find many results based on pure cosmetics

In @Gaia262 's case, i feel his problem is much more his phenotype than his jaws. Bimax for him is just one step he needs to ascend.

I also don't believe that jaw surgeries alone will ascend you if you are normie/HTN. You need to softmax as well. If you are ethnic then bone structure surgeries are just one step in your ascension, if ascending is possible

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Cope. I shared a pic of a dude who probably IQmogs and shekelmogs everyone here to the grave. Got every single surgery under the sun.

Has he ascended? Looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. He was an average white guy who looksminned hard.

who the guy who's image you PM'd? Who is he? seems like your entire worry is based on his experience.

 

[Pakicel]

isn't there that story in botb? The other recent one not @Gaia262 's

also the niche of these jaw surgeries is so small that you're unlikely to find many results based on pure cosmetics

In @Gaia262 's case, i feel his problem is much more his phenotype than his jaws. Bimax for him is just one step he needs to ascend.

I also don't believe that jaw surgeries alone will ascend you if you are normie/HTN. You need to softmax as well. If you are ethnic then bone structure surgeries are just one step in your ascension, if ascending is possible

Jaw surgery will have the most impact on my face in motion when I am talking etc. It will bring my jaws within the normal range.