People seriously drastically underplay the risk-reward ratio for surgeries

[LooksOrDeath]

Jaw surgery will have the most impact on my face in motion when I am talking etc. It will bring my jaws within the normal range.

If you even slightly resemble your morph you will look much better
touch up underreyes as well = ascension

 

[Pakicel]

isn't there that story in botb? The other recent one not @Gaia262 's

also the niche of these jaw surgeries is so small that you're unlikely to find many results based on pure cosmetics

In @Gaia262 's case, i feel his problem is much more his phenotype than his jaws. Bimax for him is just one step he needs to ascend.

I also don't believe that jaw surgeries alone will ascend you if you are normie/HTN. You need to softmax as well. If you are ethnic then bone structure surgeries are just one step in your ascension, if ascending is possible

Gaia is cucked by height and pheno. Also, thick skin which prevents any kind of angularity etc.

He def improved as in. His SFS was fixed without making him look weird. His nose still looks uncanny and doesn't fit his pheno.

 

[Deleted member 18372]

Lifefuel. But my SFS is not severe. I might end up a long-faced ogre after bimax.

can bimax even lengthen the midface? Long lowerthird is always good tbh.

edit: i guess it does.

 

[Pakicel]

If you even slightly resemble your morph you will look much better
touch up underreyes as well = ascension

That is a big IF.

You are coping with 'muh better under eye support will ascend you' because you have the same flaw and think fixing it will make a big difference.

JFL, if you think having my eyelids placed 2mm higher would ascend me.

Infra implants are a gamble too. They don't always produce satisfactory results and are fucking expensive.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

That is a big IF.

You are coping with 'muh better under eye support will ascend you' because you have the same flaw and think fixing it will make a big difference.

JFL, if you think having my eyelids placed 2mm higher would ascend me.

Infra implants are a gamble too. They don't always produce satisfactory results and are fucking expensive.

Your biggest problem are your underreyes.
Are you saying that your underreyes can't be fixed or that even if they are fixed you won't ascend even with jaw surgeries?

 

[Deleted member 14905]

Then that is what matters. Part of the problem is you sent me pics from weird distorted angles. Maybe, you look better IRL.

What did other users rate you?

mtn-htn also yeah i am trash at taking pictures i don't like taking pics and my phone camera is garbage

 

[Pakicel]

Your biggest problem are your underreyes.
Are you saying that your underreyes can't be fixed or that even if they are fixed and you get your jaw surgeries you won't ascend?

I am saying that surgeries would either barely make a difference to my looks or would just leave me looking an uncanny mofo if I tried to push it.

And no. My biggest problem is my dogshit ethnic pheno. It's actually worse than having a pheno like these guys:

I have legit never seen a dude with my pheno with a decent looking woman. It's usually guys like the above who get gfs in the UK.

I am also a 5'10" manlet. And I am boneless af.

 

[TITUS]

You are in the hands of the surgeon, if he fucks up your life is over. That pretty much sums surgeries up.

 

[ROTTING]

FURKKKKK I want to fix my subhuman nose but half of the after results of rhino just look so fucking fake that I don't fucking know anymore
Over for my high inhib ass

 

[Pakicel]

FURKKKKK I want to fix my subhuman nose but half of the after results of rhino just look so fucking fake that idk anymore
Over for my high inhib ass

Are you a ricecel?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

I am saying that surgeries would either barely make a difference to my looks or would just leave me looking an uncanny mofo if I tried to push it.

do you think your underreyes would be fixed or not?

Do you think you can look like your morph with surgery? Do you think people will find that "morph face" uncanny?

 

[ROTTING]

Are you a ricecel?

I'm med

 

[Pakicel]

do you think your underreyes would be fixed or not?

Do you think you can look like your morph with surgery? Do you think people will find that "morph face" uncanny?

Nah. That morph is unrealistic. Bone structure like that cannot be achieved with my base.

It's also a tad bit uncanny as I overaugmented the zygos and jaw. I need more definition and angularity rather than mass.

 

[Pakicel]

I'm med
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I swear that dude is a massive frauder.

 

[Pakicel]

do you think your underreyes would be fixed or not?

Do you think you can look like your morph with surgery? Do you think people will find that "morph face" uncanny?

The problem with surgery is that it can not make an average feature top tier. Just below average features average.

So bimax could fix my SFS. Infra implants could fix my undereyes. Rhino will fix trash nose in motion.

But it's not gonna make my jaw a chad jaw or my eye area like O'Pry's. And if I try to do that, I'll just end up looking weird and fake.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Even if surgery improves your life by 1% over the rest of your life compared to the posibilities of complications during the procedure and the added risk of it looking worse given you picked a decent person. It's a risk worth taking i feel.

 

[Pakicel]

Even if surgery improves your life by 1% over the rest of your life compared to the posibilities of complications during the procedure and the added risk of it looking worse given you picked a decent person. It's a risk worth taking i feel.

But 1% for all that time, pain, money and effort? Seems like a waste to me.

So many dudes here surgerycelling. Getting op after op and are still not satisfied.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

The problem with surgery is that it can not make an average feature top tier. Just below average features average.

So bimax could fix my SFS. Infra implants could fix my undereyes. Rhino will fix trash nose in motion.

add a jaw implant to these and you will be atleast 5 PSL
can you morph yourself with those surgeries, with a more subdued jaw implant

But it's not gonna make my jaw a chad jaw or my eye area like O'Pry's. And if I try to do that, I'll just end up looking weird and fake.

You don't need a chad jaw or an O'Pry tier eye area to look good

 

[needjawsurgery]

The problem with surgery is that it can not make an average feature top tier. Just below average features average.

So bimax could fix my SFS. Infra implants could fix my undereyes. Rhino will fix trash nose in motion.

But it's not gonna make my jaw a chad jaw or my eye area like O'Pry's. And if I try to do that, I'll just end up looking weird and fake.

If you were really subhuman like me and some others here you'd 100% want to get surgery (at least osteotomies) without doubt, I guarantee it.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

But 1% for all that time, pain, money and effort? Seems like a waste to me.

So many dudes here surgerycelling. Getting op after op and are still not satisfied.

I would need to see them to begin with i have a theory the higher your base link looks is the more reward you get from surgery, If you are below a 5 it's like 10ths of percent but 6 to 10 it can be wonders.

Side note people who get surgery in the first place will never be happy this forum is sort of a weird subsection we will never be happy until we get a decent woman.

 

[Pakicel]

add a jaw implant to these and you will be atleast 5 PSL
can you morph yourself with those surgeries, with a more subdued jaw implant

Nigga, I don't need more jaw width/mass. Just more angularity. Jaw implants never achieve that. I'll just get a bloatmaxxed chipmunk jaw.

And what you mean by 5 PSL? so 6-7/10 to autists here? Nigga, I am gonna need to be stand out good looking to compensate for my dogshit ethnic pheno and 5'10" manlet height or it's over for me.

 

[Pakicel]

If you were really subhuman like me and some others here you'd 100% want to get surgery (at least osteotomies) without doubt, I guarantee it.

Yes. I am subhuman af too but what if you are still subhuman even after surgery and are instead an uncanny mofo on top?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Nigga, I don't need more jaw width/mass. Just more angularity. Jaw implants never achieve that. I'll just get a bloatmaxxed chipmunk jaw.

And what you mean by 5 PSL? so 6-7/10 to autists here? Nigga, I am gonna need to be stand out good looking to compensate for my dogshit ethnic pheno and 5'10" manlet height or it's over for me.

infras will fix your pheno you already have lightskin

5'10 isn't manlet but ok if that bothers you get ll

 

[Pakicel]

infras will fix your pheno you already have lightskin

5'10 isn't manlet but ok if that bothers you get ll

Nigga. I look ethnic because of shit other than orbitals.

'muh light skin' is cope. I have yet to see any real benefit to being light skinned so far. Even in curryland.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Nigga. I look ethnic because of shit other than orbitals.

like?

'muh light skin' is cope. I have yet to see any real benefit to being light skinned so far. Even in curryland.

 

[Pakicel]

infras will fix your pheno you already have lightskin

5'10 isn't manlet but ok if that bothers you get ll

Just break your legs bro. JFL.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Just break your legs bro. JFL.

either that or complain more

wear lifts

 

[Pakicel]

like?

I don't look like a white guy even in my morphs. Simple as that. My undertones etc. are not the same.

IRL, you'd be able to tell I am ethnic. Pheno cannot be change with surgery. There is no escaping curry tax. And even if looked like a white person, I am still culturally a pakistani.

 

[khvirgin]

I have seen in pms

 

[Pakicel]

I would need to see them to begin with i have a theory the higher your base link looks is the more reward you get from surgery, If you are below a 5 it's like 10ths of percent but 6 to 10 it can be wonders.

Side note people who get surgery in the first place will never be happy this forum is sort of a weird subsection we will never be happy until we get a decent woman.

Cope. 5-6/10 have less to gain than deformed 2-3/10.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Cope. 5-6/10 have less to gain than deformed 2-3/10.

i think 2-3 are not getting anything no matter what they do unless they beta bucks or fuck a crazy

 

[Pakicel]

i think 2-3 are not getting anything no matter what they do unless they beta bucks or fuck a crazy

No I mean from surgeries. 5-6/10 prolly just has meh features overall. Surgery won't give them chad jaw or eye area.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

I have seen in pms

thoughts

 

[Pakicel]

I have seen in pms

Seen what? Ascensions?

 

[khvirgin]

But why has it never happened here? I have yet to see a single result where a normie becomes gl through bimax and implants.

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

That means that he posted her pics here to be rated

 

[khvirgin]

Yeah, people improving, not everyone wasn't to post

 

[Pakicel]

Yeah, people improving, not everyone wasn't to post

I need some lifefuel tbh. Can you share them?

 

[khvirgin]

I need some lifefuel tbh. Can you share them?

They asked to not share

 

[mulattomaxxer]

Implants are notorious for producing uncanny fake outcomes.

But for all time, money and effort, I'd want a bigger improvement.

You have solved your own problem. This is why people end up getting shit implants because they want a new face.

Modest implants = Natrual improvement.

Most implant results improve faces. The problem is that the ones that get shared around tend to be the massive ones for shock value.

 

[Deleted member 10800]

Like to ascend I am gonna need multiple surgeries but there is a very high chance I might get badly botched by one or more of them. Or I barely improve and stay at the same looks level. To the best of my knowledge, I need:

-Bimax + genio
-Infra implants
-Jaw + Zygo implants
-Rhino
-HT

To have any shot in the current dating market being a 5'10" ethnic. But ascending is not as simple as getting each surgery one by one and going up the looks scale. Like bimax itself has a very real possibility of botching me badly and turning me into some kind of uncanny motherfucker. Jaw and zygo implants could be underwhelming and/or make me look plastic and fake. Same with rhino. The only low risk surgery in the above list is Hair Transplant but tbh it'd only make minimal difference IRL as I am less than NW2.

But people here act like this doesn't happen that often. They think that ascending through surgery is a matter of time, money and effort. When in fact, many people can't ascend even with all the time and money in the world. Like I just saw this pic of a dude who got every single surgery under the sun with High IQ planning and the best docs, and he looks like a 4/10 uncanny motherfucker. But people here somehow rated him 5+ PSL. JFL.

If you need anything other than maybe 1 surgery you need to stop coping. Unless you are paying money like the kardashians or some shit you will deformed like that big lipped guy who skitzoposts on here.

 

[fuggg]

didnt read 1 single word after the title

literally every surgery yields positive results, the biggest risk is the possibility that the movements arent big enough

 

[Pakicel]

didnt read 1 single word after the title

literally every surgery yields positive results, the biggest risk is the possibility that the movements arent big enough

Nah. Most surgeries do not yield positive results. Their effect is either minor or they end up botching the patient badly.

 

[Titbot]

Nah. Most surgeries do not yield positive results. Their effect is either minor or they end up botching the patient badly.

How do you like @herring results

 

[Pakicel]

How do you like @herring results

It seems like an improvement but he hasn't provided very clear photos with his whole face. But the implant did what it was supposed to do.

 

[Titbot]

It seems like an improvement but he hasn't provided very clear photos with his whole face. But the implant did what it was supposed to do.

Look at his recent post ? The pics look clear to me

 

[Titbot]

It seems like an improvement but he hasn't provided very clear photos with his whole face. But the implant did what it was supposed to do.

Look at his recent post ? The pics look clear to me

 

[Pakicel]

Look at his recent post ? The pics look clear to me

Yes. But we don't know how the better infras fit with the rest of his face.

The pics are legit for judging whether the infras improved his Under eye support but we can't conclude whether the implants improved his face overall without before and afters in the same conditions.

 

[Titbot]

Yes. But we don't know how the better infras fit with the rest of his face.

The pics are legit for judging whether the infras improved his Under eye support but we can't conclude whether the implants improved his face overall without before and afters in the same conditions.

Fair enough

 

[Pakicel]

Look at his recent post ? The pics look clear to me

I have heard other people got infra implants and didn get good results.

 

[Titbot]

I have heard other people got infra implants and didn get good results.

Who