Possible solutions for long midfaces non surgically?

[Deleted member 86015]

pull it upwards G u would have a short midface then
trust

Okay bro but how can I pull upwards my maxilla? And btw have you done beltpulling?

 

[enlightful]

the most weird thing is that my maxilla is not even flat It is very forwarn grown I swear.

Foward growth has little to do with ur midface length, it's about the way ur maxilla grew (aka cw/ccw rotation). U can have good foward growth if ur maxilla grew downwards it's gonna make ur face longer

 

[Deleted member 86015]

I'm pretty sure the way your maxilla is rotated completely affects your midface. The more downwards your maxilla is grown/rotated the longer your midface will be. So theoretically to shorten ur midface you'd need to optimize for rotating your maxilla up and fowards

Yeah but my maxilla is already forwards and still have a long one

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Foward growth has little to do with ur midface length, it's about the way ur maxilla grew (aka cw/ccw rotation). U can have good foward growth if ur maxilla grew downwards it's gonna make ur face longer

Yeah true and I know that but what could I do aside surgery? Any technique?

 

[enlightful]

Yeah but my maxilla is already forwards and still have a long one

Yeah true and I know that but what could I do aside surgery? Any technique?

Have u looked into reverse face pullers?

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Have u looked into reverse face pullers?

No, I dont know whats that.Will look into It, thanks

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Have u looked into reverse face pullers?

Ive just searched It and I dont find anything

 

[enlightful]

Ive just searched It and I dont find anything

This thing^

U do need orthodontic bands and something else for those bands to be anchored to. The girl in the photo has braces to do that but since u probs dont have those u could try having a custom made infra oral appliance like this:

It has the metal bar to insert the bands and if u want that appliance you'd first need a mold of ur palate (either u could make it urself or have an orthodontic laboratory do it for u idk the price should be cheap tho) then u use that mold as the base to creating the appliance (either u get the orthodontic laboratory to do it or try diy)

Also that blue bar the bands are attached to can be loosened and have it moved up and down anywhere on the metal bar. If u get the blue bar at nasal level while the bands are anchored with an appliance, theoretically the upward force could cause ur maxilla to rotate upwards.

I'm not saying you should do this im only giving ideas though

 

[enlightful]

Ive just searched It and I dont find anything

I really dont know if this is truth a good idea tho it's only an idea at the end of the day I recommend u look more into it and maybe ask chat gpt too

 

[Deleted member 86015]

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This thing^

U do need orthodontic bands and something else for those bands to be anchored to. The girl in the photo has braces to do that but since u probs dont have those u could try having a custom made infra oral appliance like this:
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It has the metal bar to insert the bands and if u want that appliance you'd first need a mold of ur palate (either u could make it urself or have an orthodontic laboratory do it for u idk the price should be cheap tho) then u use that mold as the base to creating the appliance (either u get the orthodontic laboratory to do it or try diy)

Also that blue bar the bands are attached to can be loosened and have it moved up and down anywhere on the metal bar. If u get the blue bar at nasal level while the bands are anchored with an appliance, theoretically the upward force could cause ur maxilla to rotate upwards.

I'm not saying you should do this im only giving ideas though

And how is that supposed to compact my face

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

doesn't that procedure have a mortality rate nearly at 12%

that's for the fracture; e.g. during an accident like a car crash. the actual procedure is <1%

 

[enlightful]

And how is that supposed to compact my face

I mention in the 3rd paragraph how the device (if used in a certain way) could potentially cause generate an upward rotation of the maxilla (aka ccw rotation). Getting ccw rotation will decrease the vertical distance of ur maxilla this shortening the midface

 

[Deleted member 86015]

beltpulling would work.

Have you done it ?

 

[imhim]

yup i have and it worked for me a bit

 

[Deleted member 86015]

yup i have and it worked for me a bit

Have your face slightly shortened? do you keep doing it? How did you do it?im highly interested

 

[imhim]

Have your face slightly shortened? do you keep doing it? How did you do it?im highly interested

i do it every alternate day and pull the belt outward and up both it might cause u TMJ but if ur okay with it then give it a try it does make ur fae look compact

 

[Deleted member 86015]

i do it every alternate day and pull the belt outward and up both it might cause u TMJ but if ur okay with it then give it a try it does make ur fae look compact

any before and after pics?

 

[Deleted member 86015]

i do it every alternate day and pull the belt outward and up both it might cause u TMJ but if ur okay with it then give it a try it does make ur fae look compact

Thread 'BELT PULLING GUIDE (CCW rotation )' https://looksmax.org/threads/belt-pulling-guide-ccw-rotation.1005943/
This?

 

[Deleted member 166865]

Fucking hate that website. One good thread in a period and almost no one really saying something on TADS, I’m missing time retard was dropping shit about chewing and etc. @Joaquin if u found something valuable? I found some info about tads here and there also I guess FME works with TADS, idk mb its mask (FMA) maybe helpful in protraction? They installed it on some patient week or two ago

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Fucking hate that website. One good thread in a period and almost no one really saying something on TADS, I’m missing time retard was dropping shit about chewing and etc. @Joaquin if u found something valuable? I found some info about tads here and there also I guess FME works with TADS, idk mb its mask (FMA) maybe helpful in protraction? They installed it on some patient week or two ago

I havent found anything valuable sadly.
Ive researched a lot during this month and I already know that the cause of my long midface is due to mouthbreathing during my whole years of development, that completely fucked my face. It is improving because ive improved my habits but if Im still downgrown in some years I will do surgery

 

[lowtiersubhuman]

Maxillary Impaction with Aligners, TADs, and Low Pulsatile Forces

How to meet the aesthetic demands and time constraints of the complex Class I case

orthodonticproductsonline.com

@thecel I know you suffer from a long midface(and me too thats why im searching for solutions that arent lefort)opinions on this?

Theres a fucking question tab you know

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Fucking hate that website. One good thread in a period and almost no one really saying something on TADS, I’m missing time retard was dropping shit about chewing and etc. @Joaquin if u found something valuable? I found some info about tads here and there also I guess FME works with TADS, idk mb its mask (FMA) maybe helpful in protraction? They installed it on some patient week or two ago

The chewing thing doesnt seem to work at least on me

 

[Deleted member 86015]

Theres a fucking question tab you know

Shut the fuck up

 

[Deleted member 166865]

The chewing thing doesnt seem to work at least on me

Yeah, same for me

 

[Deleted member 166865]

I havent found anything valuable sadly.
Ive researched a lot during this month and I already know that the cause of my long midface is due to mouthbreathing during my whole years of development, that completely fucked my face. It is improving because ive improved my habits but if Im still downgrown in some years I will do surgery

I mean, yeah, if u were mouthbreathing it’s obvious but were there any cases connected to tads that works on adults? I guess maybe it could work short time after splitting suture in mild recession cases but seems like there aren’t such cases in public at least or it’s not simply working at all

 

[Deleted member 86015]

I mean, yeah, if u were mouthbreathing it’s obvious but were there any cases connected to tads that works on adults? I guess maybe it could work short time after splitting suture in mild recession cases but seems like there aren’t such cases in public at least or it’s not simply working at all

I honeslty think surgery still is the only method to fix vertical maxillary excess honestly. There isnt enough proof yet of tads decreasing midfacial height

 

[Deleted member 166865]

I honeslty think surgery still is the only method to fix vertical maxillary excess honestly. There isnt enough proof yet of tads decreasing midfacial height

Also, there were mentioned some cases with TADS before: https://looksmax.org/threads/sarpe-bamp-results.305174/

But I can’t say for sure how much bones protraction there was (I guess it’s more dental than bone) due to lacks of knowledges in the field ofc and also I guess in case of sarpe there were lefort cuts so anyway there was only lower maxilla protraction but I’m not sure (if lefort cuts were performed)