primal diet authenticity

[Deleted member 255016]

is primal diet cope or does it actually work? I find it hard to believe that my body will function without any carbs. maybe i’m wrong about what primal diet is, only meat and raw dairy?

 

[alphamale82]

1x frequency

moderate volume bro split

you gained 2kg of lean mass
?????
is that meant to be low?

and in the same timeframe afterwards i gained almost 4kg lean mass on high carbohydrate FBEOD

you switched to an infinitely better split and ALSO ate high carbohydrates and you only managed to gain... double?
how much of that can you seriously attribute to high carbohydrate vs programming?
because bro split is absolute dogshit, fbeod is infinitely better

 

[rotation]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-carbohydrate-84607482

have you actually read the study?

"#3. Low muscle glycogen and/or low blood glucose cause calcium ion-related fatigue (excitation-contraction coupling failure)"

"#2. Low muscle glycogen and/or low blood glucose cause CNS fatigue"

"#1. Low carbohydrate diets are associated with less hypertrophy"

 

[rotation]

you gained 2kg of lean mass
?????
is that meant to be low?




you switched to an infinitely better split and ALSO ate high carbohydrates and you only managed to gain... double?
how much of that can you seriously attribute to high carbohydrate vs programming?
because bro split is absolute dogshit, fbeod is infinitely better

the bro split was also benefiting from newbie gains

and double is not "only" in the case of hypertrophy, double is absolutely significant in every way

 

[alphamale82]

have you actually read the study?

"#3. Low muscle glycogen and/or low blood glucose cause calcium ion-related fatigue (excitation-contraction coupling failure)"

"#2. Low muscle glycogen and/or low blood glucose cause CNS fatigue"

"#1. Low carbohydrate diets are associated with less hypertrophy"

have you read what im saying?
2% difference is not a big difference

do you have any sort of nuance?
have you seen the split they put both groups on? that split would absolutely rape someone with low glycogen
change the splits up to a low volume high intensity high frequency split and you'd see even LESS of a difference

 

[rotation]

not being a sissy faggot like that other guy

@ybuyhgui

 

[alphamale82]

the bro split was also benefiting from newbie gains

and double is not "only" in the case of hypertrophy, double is absolutely significant in every way

you provided no timeframe so im only going to assume from your level of development that in both programs you were still in newbie gains
how much of it can you attribute to high carbohydrate versus smarter programming, improved form, etc
also, you being a newbie, you do not need high carbohydrates as you cannot recruit as many motor units as someone with years of experience can

in the context of carbohydrates people cut them out for health reasons so to know that their training wont be significantly impacted by this is reassuring

 

[ybuyhgui]

have you actually read the study?

he's never read a study in his life, the october 2025 immigration to org is truly brutal. The forum has taken a massive hit in the last month with all these unknowledgeable children joining. Only thing you can do is add them to the ignore list and pray that the tiktok popularisation of the blackpill eventually dies down

 

[alphamale82]

@ybuyhgui

the guy has no nuance and gives up after he realizes someone doesn't have the same viewpoint as him

 

[alphamale82]

he's never read a study in his life, the october 2025 immigration to org is truly brutal. The forum has taken a massive hit in the last month with all these unknowledgeable children joining. Only thing you can do is add them to the ignore list and pray that the tiktok popularisation of the blackpill eventually dies down

i've been in these types of forums for ages, i am not new, nor is this my first account, and this is how i absolutely know you're retarded
you project yourself onto everyone, assume you know everything about someone
i probably know more than you in almost every facet of looksmaxxing there is
when your first instinct to someone not sharing the same viewpoint as you is projecting yourself onto them and calling them retarded, and shitting on their join date (you joined in the same year as me ), i know there is truly no hope for you

 

[rotation]

you provided no timeframe so im only going to assume from your level of development that in both programs you were still in newbie gains
how much of it can you attribute to high carbohydrate versus smarter programming, improved form, etc
also, you being a newbie, you do not need high carbohydrates as you cannot recruit as many motor units as someone with years of experience can

in the context of carbohydrates people cut them out for health reasons so to know that their training wont be significantly impacted by this is reassuring

7 months in both cases

I will come back to this thread later, I have a feeling this debate will last forever

that is not me saying I am wrong in any way, I just cant be bothered currently

mirin high effort though, even if you are wrong

 

[alphamale82]

@rotation are you going to respond to what i said or not?

 

[rotation]

@rotation are you going to respond to what i said or not?

which one?

the argument changed as you went on

I am arguing against no carbohydrates, as you quite literally said they are not needed

I am not denying moderate carb intake can work, its just suboptimal

read the start of the debate, your point was wildly different

 

[alphamale82]

7 months in both cases

I will come back to this thread later, I have a feeling this debate will last forever

that is not me saying I am wrong in any way, I just cant be bothered currently

1. youre a complete newbie (mechanisms of fatigue arent as strong on you because you aren't lifting heavy loads)
2. you switched from an absolutely horrendous split to a good one
3. you cannot calculate how much gains were made from high carbohydrate versus improved programming & form
4. im not denying high carbohydrate is undoubtedly better, im saying if everything else is ideal or nearly ideal, it makes only a small difference
my point was there isnt a high difference, you havent addressed any of the nuances i've made in the study i sent you, such as the retarded high volume split

 

[fwhr glazer]

its cope

Its not, its just that most people are retards and expect something from it

 

[rotation]

im not denying high carbohydrate is undoubtedly better

no more responses needed

regardless, I wasnt even arguing that moderate carbs are awful

it was initially about no carbs

do you wholeheartedly believe no carbs works?

or is even close to being somewhat "good"

 

[alphamale82]

no more responses needed

regardless, I wasnt even arguing that moderate carbs are awful

it was initially about no carbs

do you wholeheartedly believe no carbs works?

or is even close to being somewhat "good"

i dont like ZERO carbohydrate diets, thats retardation
but a low carbohydrate diet can work (you will gain muscle and strength in amounts that you can see and be happy with, if you are on the newer side to training, which is below 2 years of serious lifting or so in my opinion) if:
you're not working like a dog before you workout
your life is stress free
you program intelligently
and you eat your carbohydrates only before you workout

 

[taxGatherer]

Its not, its just that most people are retards and expect something from it

Sure buddy

 

[Deleted member 255016]

Milk has carbs, fruit also has carbs, not sure why people are pretending like it's impossible to get carbs on primal
(Mark as solution--------------->

that just goes back to my original question which is part of the post people are disregarding, what foods does the primal diet allow?

 

[kranerman23123]

is primal diet cope or does it actually work? I find it hard to believe that my body will function without any carbs. maybe i’m wrong about what primal diet is, only meat and raw dairy?

There's something to it if you look at the skulls of hunter gatherers but I think it is more than just eating raw meat. Retards here seem to forget that hunter gatherer includes the word gatherer which refers to foraging for wild veggies fruits and mushrooms

 

[justperseus]

its cope

if you are doing any sort of physical activity you need carbs

whats the point of doing physical activity? just to stress your body and waste your test and gh onto useless muscles that your body doesnt want?

 

[rotation]

retard goatis cuck

whats the point of doing physical activity?

muscle is metabolically essential

and I guarantee nobody respects you walking around as a skinny framelet

just to stress your body

when you train you create eustress

and this is a positive and adaptive stress that helps with some bodily functions and overall health

you carnivore bro-science faggots need to get over this

whats the point of doing physical activity? just to stress your body and waste your test and gh onto useless muscles that your body doesnt want?

hormones are not a small supply of things that you burn whilst training

they are signaling molecules, not supplies

ur endocrine glands produce hormones on demand, it is not like a supply of hormones just sitting there

when they are stimulated/used, they broken down and recycled

ur body maintains the hormones through feedback loops, its not like they just magically dissapear

you are not wasting any hormones, they self regulate and are renewable

if you want to debate me please do, I am happy to help

but you need to stop the bro science fear mongering, which is based on 0 scientific evidence

please do some research

 

[justperseus]

retard goatis cuck



muscle is metabolically essential

and I guarantee nobody respects you walking around as a skinny framelet



when you train you create eustress

and this is a positive and adaptive stress that helps with some bodily functions and overall health

you carnivore bro-science faggots need to get over this



hormones are not a small supply of things that you burn whilst training

they are signaling molecules, not supplies

ur endocrine glands produce hormones on demand, it is not like a supply of hormones just sitting there

when they are stimulated/used, they broken down and recycled

ur body maintains the hormones through feedback loops, its not like they just magically dissapear

you are not wasting any hormones, they self regulate and are renewable

if you want to debate me please do, I am happy to help

but you need to stop the bro science fear mongering, which is based on 0 scientific evidence

please do some research

the only reason you are skinny is because your malnourished in the first place, you see what i mean?

 

[rotation]

the only reason you are skinny is because your malnourished in the first place, you see what i mean?

no, I don't see what you mean

what is ur argument

 

[justperseus]

no, I don't see what you mean

what is ur argument

you ever seen a primal guy skinny? like at goatis for example he doesnt even workout

 

[rotation]

you ever seen a primal guy skinny? like at goatis for example he doesnt even workout

yes, I have.

and goatis was roiding a while back lol

being skinny comes from not eating sufficient calories, not eating cooked food and vegetables

 

[justperseus]

yes, I have.

and goatis was roiding a while back lol

being skinny comes from not eating sufficient calories, not eating cooked food and vegetables

really, show me?