Lmfao the same romans 4:5 Scripture used against the bhi cult can be used against orthodox.
Jesus said many will come to Him and boast in their works "haven't I done many good works?"
i’ve already debated and shown you how your point on romans 4:5 is wrong
You gotta be a troll. You're not like @PrinceLuenLeoncur . He's at least not trolling. Did you watch the video?
Says he that worketh not. Means no work but believes on Jesus. We are saved and righteous.
works in the hebrew means what is done
LOL dude I'm saving this for Twitter. Your one satanic lying argument just backfired and proves you're a desperate liar.
my point still stands, ἔργοις means deeds or actions
He can’t use any Hong to debunk us…. Every evidence points to faith and works not faith alone because scripture and the church fathers decree this is the case. You protescucks don’t even have an epistemological basis to even trust the bible that’s what’s hilarous about you buffoons
Protestants are just Muslims who follow the bible instead of Quran both are braindead
It says to the one who worketh not but Pistis meaning believes, He is saved.
Wrong you're all the same as those black hebrew israelites because they also claim its not faith alone but works.
can you answer my questionIt says to the one who worketh not but Pistis meaning believes, He is saved.
You tried saying hebrew now you go to greek and use the wrong word and the entire verse cuts you up. You're not Christian and I never met a worse orthodox debater.
I know greek fluently.
The church fathers followed the same faith as me you brainlet imbecile you prota are an 15th century invention learn your place you arrogant prick protescuckIt says to the one who worketh not but Pistis meaning believes, He is saved.
You tried saying hebrew now you go to greek and use the wrong word and the entire verse cuts you up. You're not Christian and I never met a worse orthodox debater.
I know greek fluently.
Wrong you're all the same as those black hebrew israelites because they also claim its not faith alone but works.
And that black Protestant brother cut them up with one verse and the same happen to you guys.
Church fathers are mere men who contradicted eachother and themselves all the time and taught similar to luther.
they were the “mear” men who canonised the bible you dickhead protescucks use for your “sola Scriptura”
Nothey were the “mear” men who canonised the bible you dickhead protescucks use for your “sola Scriptura”
this fact alone destroys Protestantism as your very own bible relied on the opinion of the church fathers
Come on respond with an actual argumentNo
@noobs see how these protescucks croak when confronted with the truth of how their entire dogma and worldview are contradictory
Dude I'm just too lazy to respond at your ridiculous statement notice you got slaughtered with romans 4;5 so did your buddy @noobs . But now you wanna pretend that didn't happen and you somehow got meCome on respond with an actual argument
Too lazy I'm about to go out this is a joke lolCome on respond with an actual argument
Ok fine fine I'll respond. Who put the Bible together? The early church inspired by the Holy Spirit long before your modern orthodox bs.Come on respond with an actual argument
every christian has the holy spirit its not unique to just the early church leaders
Are you retarded?
then claim to follow and perfectly interpret the books they compiled for you without listening to what they have to say regarding the church and biblical interpretation
The men who founded the church was Jesus. One Man.Are you retarded?
Yes they did guided by the Holy Ghost and guess what…. Idiot, Jesus said the gates of hell wouldn’t prevail against the church and you prot cucks ignored this and still rebelled. So you essentially pick and choose what parts of the church fathers arguments and points you like and disregard others. Also the church fathers dictated how to interpret scripture but that’s another thing you Protcucks ignore with your heretical Sola Scrip nonsense
So you ignore the men who founded the church and cannonicised the bible
How was the early church Protestant? When they had liturgy, altar, sacraments, a temple, feast days and fasting days such as lent, priesthood, Eucharist with leaven bread and wine, saint veneration and icons.The men who founded the church was Jesus. One Man.
And the early church was Protestant not cuck orthodox
Protestants are generally biblically illiterate on scripture and Christian tradition
Protestants aren't Christians lmao. It's a collection of a thousand sects from the KKK to the Mormons.Wrong you're all the same as those black hebrew israelites because they also claim its not faith alone but works.
And that black Protestant brother cut them up with one verse and the same happen to you guys.
If orthodoxy is the one true church then the Holy Spirit failed? Because all we see is the tiny tiny tiny tiny denomination of eastern orthodoxy that majority of people don't know about.How was the early church Protestant? When they had liturgy, altar, sacraments, a temple, feast days and fasting days such as lent, priesthood, Eucharist with leaven bread and wine, saint veneration and icons.
Please explain where this is found within Protestantism? Thank you
Jesus is the head of the church…. And the church founding fathers are the administrators of the church on earth and that church is the thing prorestcucks such as yourself reject to be a part of
Now are you beginning to see why I consider you lot on par with Muslims for being brainlets. You Protestants are essentially calling Jesus a liar and saying the bible has no credibility if you won’t listen to the church which is guided by the Holy Spirit on all matters and ecumenical councils led by the emperor of Byzantium and the church founding fathers (saints)
Protestantism is watered down Christianity which is why protestants know the least about Christianity than any other sect
1000% false that's such a fraudulent analogy and claim and slander.Protestants aren't Christians lmao. It's a collection of a thousand sects from the KKK to the Mormons.
Protestants believe in crap such as salvation through faith alone aka you can do anything to anyone and it's ok if you "believe"
Nothing of Hitlers quote talks about Protestanism. America and the UK was built on Protestanism.Protestants believe in crap such as salvation through faith alone aka you can do anything to anyone and it's ok if you "believe"
Sola fide - Wikipedia
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They have bastardized Christianity. Protestants are usually extremely right wing and racist going against all basic tenants of Christianity. Adolf Hitler himself considered Christianity tolerable only when it became "Germanized" aka protestant .
The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke.Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries.
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.
It's nonsense to fear that people will lose their modest ways of living. They should lose them—for that kind of modesty is the-enemy of all progress. In this matter we see things like the Americans—and not like the Spaniard, who would content himself with a few olives a day rather than work to have more. The Church has been able to profit by this conception of life. It proclaims that the poor in spirit—and the other poor, too—will go to heaven, whilst the rich will pay with eternal sufferings for the blessings of earthly existence. The Church is moved to say this by the tacit contract between the priests and the possessors, who joyfully leave the Church a little money so that it may go on encouraging the poor to grovel. But what a queer sort of Christianity they practise down there ! We must recognise, of course, that, amongst us, Christianity is coloured by Germanism. All the same, its doctrine signifies: "Pray and work!"
Whilst Roman society proved hostile to the new doctrine, Christianity in its pure state stirred the population to revolt. Rome was Bolshevised, and Bolshevism produced exactly the same results in Rome as later in Russia. It was only later, under the influence of the Germanic spirit, that Christianity gradually lost its openly Bolshevistic character. It became, to a certain degree, tolerable.
Yes the Germanic Anglo-Saxon anti-Christian liberal west was built on Protestantism. That was my point all along but you're just too illiterate to even comprehend written language.
Ah I have been waiting for the “MUH SIZE” argument
time to take Shahada Habibi” then they start backtracking. you guys are the biggest memes look at your nations your Protestant women are whores I fuck your women and tell them their sect is gay and subhuman and they still drink my cum. avg protestcuck doesn't even know their own religion hence why Muslims bully you soy boyz.
Ah I have been waiting for the “MUH SIZE” argument
@SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer youd be shocked but Catholics and protcucks love using this argument then I shut them down with “if size means anything then I guess islams true as its the fastest growing religion
Fucking pathetic. Orientals are not Eastern Orthodox they are their own seperate sects that are just colloquially termed “Oreintal” but in reality all of them are their own seperate thing what’s your point? You also realise orientals considered Catholics and Protestants schismatics and ask any other denomination what the worst one is and we all unanimously agree it’s PROTESTANTISM
The early church and the fathers all practiced the same traditions that the current Orthodox Church follows why else do you think I converted to EO 3 months ago you idiot? Because this is the only church that the ancient saints and founders and apostles would see and join if they were to be revived. Yes you need all of those things you still haven’t answered why we don’t need those things. You Protestants don’t even fast and many of you don’t even know what Pasha and Lent is as I said Protestantism is a watered down modernist Christian movement that’s only 20% Christian 80% modern secular faggotry
I call all Christian’s “brothers” what’s your point? I also don’t think you understand how EO patriarchates work the Greek and Russian orthodox are under different patriarchates but both are in communion for example. So your point makes no sense we are just decentralised but it prevents Catholics problems and protescuck issues that’s why we are the true church
You don’t need read the whole thing just that paragraph I tagged u in lol.
saying these Catholics and prots use the Islamic argument of “We biggest so we bestest” lol
Yeah it means nothing. Numbers mean fuck all when quality is so shite. Still, I guess in terms of practicing faith Islam wins out. But even though it's the 'muh fastest growing', some Muslim cucks are the fastest at secularising.You don’t need read the whole thing just that paragraph I tagged u in lol.
Depends on what you mean by “practicing” I mean nowhere in the bible does it say you MUST go to church
this is an example of Muslims projecting their beliefs on Christian’s even though we don’t belive the same thing.
Dont tell me you believe most Christians are practicing. I'm not projecting my beliefs about what Muslims should do onto Christians and comparing. It's a given that secularism grew in the (protestant) Christian world and some Christians have no problem with it. Communism also grew in the eastern world so Orthodoxy got a taste of anti-religion too. This not had an impact on faith but practice to. Most Christians are Christian in name only. They have wear cross necklaces and even a tattoo. Pray to god before a football match. Celebrate (secular) Chrismas. That's it. They are hardly going to church.Depends on what you mean by “practicing” I mean nowhere in the bible does it say you MUST go to church
But yeah I’d say the avg Muslim is a higher quality devotee than the avg western Christian but this is variant on location ofc as the UK is a liberal secular atheist country so they aren’t a good example. I mean you even think thag Christian’s should belive the bibles the literal word of god… no we don’t belive in that lol
But you’ll find Catholics and profs using MUH NUMBAS as proof of their sect being the truth lol, I also see Muslims mention MUH FATSEST GROWING as proof lool
communism didnt grow in orthodoxy, communism was grown by jews
That's not my point. They still ruled over eastern orthodox people.
Yeah I mean I even said the avg Christian isn’t as devout as the avg Muslim in 2024 I agreed… but being a “practicing” Christian entails a differnt thing than a practicing Muslim. Islam is a religion that has laws which MUST be met (sharia). Christianity doesn’t have laws but instead traditions that you SHOULD do but are not necessarily going to damn you, and some sexts like Protestants don’t even have traditions lol, they don’t even fast or have Pasha or lent lmfao @ them protescucks. We rely on extrapolation to formulate our laws which is why our laws is more fluid than Islam and why ours can be used in any time period any place whislt Islam well…. Yeah not really gonna work for example Greenland doesn’t have sun go down so Ramadan fasting is cucked over there unless Muslims try to find a way around it which they have the point remains
Ermmm so do we that's exactly what the shari'ah is about. The idea that's it's an inflexible set of rigid laws is orientalist thnlinking. Lots of Islamic rules are based in extrapolations entire methodologies and schools of thoughts have been dedicated to this. You'd be surprised even some of the so-called "literalist" and textual scripturalist schools of thoughts (zahiri) still had liberal doctrines (works of Ibn hazm I believe).
I agree those countries are cucked. Nobody is forcing anyone to go mosques lmao. Who says this? You can pray at home. Only Friday prayers are in congregation. Even then, if you can't go you can do alternative at home if missed.
When I say mosques I mean you lot have a lot more rigid form of adherence than ours. As I said Islam is a legal and political system as well as a cultural and religious system. But I do like this aspect of Islam it makes and FORCES its adherents to be more pious.
Again I don't think think the force element is there. The idea of having correct intention 'niyyah' is crucial to acts of faith. Being forced to pray might be doing the bare minimum on the surface. I would say parents do (and should) force children to inculcate the habit. Unfortunately it never was in me coz my parents couldn't afford to send me to the mosque after moving houses.
Oh the Zahiris aren't a liberal school lmao - the complete opposite. They make Wahhabis look like liberals. I was just pointing out they still extrapolate from texts.
That makes it easier to practice but from my perspective bar is so low and in this day and age where secular forces are pervasive need a stronger religious force and prevalence in your life.
JFL a group more strict than Wahabbis exists
the irony is Protestants have attempted to try coin the term “Christian” and just refer to Roman Catholics as “Catholics” instead of ChristianProtestants aren't Christians lmao. It's a collection of a thousand sects from the KKK to the Mormons.
