Proving HEIGHT>>>FACE once and for all.

[richcel]

yeah man sub 5'6 is truly brutal. 5'6-5'9 is what social media and retarded posts try to depict as short but those are deadbang avg (unless nordic or tall countries) IDK what your circle is but bro, EVERY SINGLE NORMIE despises prettyboy. They call them "gay" and not "masculine" enough. Check any tiktok eboys comment sections --> it's either women simping or other men hating hard

The tik tok pretty boys get hate because they are doing dances and other gay coded stuff that women like and it pisses off men that they are getting that attention. If a pretty boy doesn’t do that stuff he gets literally 0 hate, even online. Look at “wintcrws” on instagram he is a total pretty boy and gets 0 hate comments because the stuff he’s doing isn’t gay coded. I guarantee if he did even a single dance he would get 100s of haters in the comments.

 

[Klasik616]

based on what I've seen IRL the dudes dating HTBs are tall MTNs, all of them. 6ft to 6foot2
women will settle for a tall dude even if they don't find a handsome one

 

[...!]

Tbh, Skibidi aura >>>>> Height, face

i hope someone shots you

 

[2025cel]

i hope someone shots you

Pathetic 2024 mutt cel why don't ye crawl back to yer homo reptiliano den and start gooning to clavicular mfer!

 

[...!]

Pathetic 2024 mutt cel why don't ye crawl back to yer homo reptiliano den and start gooning to clavicular mfer!

not my first account but okay and you made your account yesterday

 

[2025cel]

not my first account but okay and you made your account yesterday

Exactly nga you just proved my point Accept the mog old hag!

 

[pfl]

The lengths niggas will go to cope

 

[lifeless]

Not reading dont care

 

[TitusA]

RUSSIAN HTN OFFS HIMSELF JUST CAUSE OF HIS HEIGHT.

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This guy was an active poster on r/shortguys and other short men related subs. Many active posters tried contacting him too yet they all came to the same consensus.

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IDC WHAT YOU SAY this is clearly a GL/HTN guy. Just due to his 5'6 height he spiraled down this rabbit hole. Literally 4 inches of bone in his Tibia and he'd be a Russian Slayer. All the women who showed him interest treated him like shit after finding his height.
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HEIGHT>FACE.
This is truly a tough topic for many to accept. As a shorter guy you need to be compensating in so many ways yet still people will drag you down for something you can never change.

"JUST BE TOM CRUISE BRO"
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- BE 5'8 (not even short 1 inch under the average )
- BE A HOLLYWOOD SUPERMODEL
- HAVE 0.001% GENETIC MAKEUP
- UNDERGO MULTIPLE FACIAL SURGERIES

EVEN AFTER ALL THIS YOU MUST WEAR ELEVATOR SHOES AND ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE YOU APPEAR TALLER IN ALL THE CASTS

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JUST LOL @ GETTING HEIGHTMOGGED BY WOMEN DESPITE WEARING 10CM ELEVATORS
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HERE IS THE COLD HARSH TRUTH ABOUT HEIGHT:
(WARNING: SHIVERS MAY RUN DOWN YOUR SPINE)

- taken from Lookism.

REMEMBER GUYS, LIFE STARTS AT 5'9+ TAKE ALL THE HGH, TAKE ALL THE ROIDS UNDER THE SKY. SAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR LIMB LENGHTHENING @ PALEY. YOU CAN BE A 6FT DRUGGIE YET STILL FIND SOMEONE HOWEVER EVEN THE NICEST 5'5 GUYS HAVE TO TRY HARD. BOTH THE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW ARE 6'2+ BTW
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not tagging anyone because I got no friends yet

Both matter. Both matter to a different extent to different girls. Both matter allot more when u are below average thn when u are average and above. Theirs no equation u are going to create to work out which matters more doesnt matter how much u think about it.

Who even cares wht difference would it make if u decided one mattered more lol. U shoould be improving looks in all areas regardless

 

[NarrowBones]

Both the men you posted their women left almost instantly, and when it comes to height, it’s not about being tall, it’s just about not being short. Once you are around the same height as most guys outside, face clears. Asmongold is a very rich popular streamer and that girl was only with him for a little bit to leech off him

 

[JohnDoe]

This guy you posted is decent looking, east asian women would get on their knees for someone with this pheno and blonde hair. How short are we talking anyways? guarantee guys his height have easily gotten a gf/wife.
okay so i just read he's 5'6, it's not even that bad man, in shoes he's basically 5'8 and you're telling me no foid would date him? lies. most east asiana women would take him in a heartbeat, even other ethnics.

 

[Axhar1]

The tik tok pretty boys get hate because they are doing dances and other gay coded stuff that women like and it pisses off men that they are getting that attention. If a pretty boy doesn’t do that stuff he gets literally 0 hate, even online. Look at “wintcrws” on instagram he is a total pretty boy and gets 0 hate comments because the stuff he’s doing isn’t gay coded. I guarantee if he did even a single dance he would get 100s of haters in the comments.

agreed nigga but still not having beard/having clear skin & youthful features is despised by normies. They only respect muh gymcel

 

[Axhar1]

based on what I've seen IRL the dudes dating HTBs are tall MTNs, all of them. 6ft to 6foot2
women will settle for a tall dude even if they don't find a handsome one

exactly. Tall and HMTN-HTN is enough to have a good dating life

 

[fr0st]

Tbh, Skibidi aura >>>>> Height, face

Please and i mean this kill yourself.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

"

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"HTN"

 

[2025cel]

Please and i mean this kill yourself.

Lol lil nga Joined:- Dec 31, 2024 You are insignificant You do not hold much intelligence in that empty vessel called "brain" of yours, And thou shalt dare to tell me to the most Degenerate act of unaliving oneself at the state utmost confusion? Fuark GrAYcel

 

[joksa23]

RUSSIAN HTN OFFS HIMSELF JUST CAUSE OF HIS HEIGHT.

View attachment 3395945
This guy was an active poster on r/shortguys and other short men related subs. Many active posters tried contacting him too yet they all came to the same consensus.

View attachment 3395949

IDC WHAT YOU SAY this is clearly a GL/HTN guy. Just due to his 5'6 height he spiraled down this rabbit hole. Literally 4 inches of bone in his Tibia and he'd be a Russian Slayer. All the women who showed him interest treated him like shit after finding his height.
View attachment 3395969
View attachment 3395975

HEIGHT>FACE.
This is truly a tough topic for many to accept. As a shorter guy you need to be compensating in so many ways yet still people will drag you down for something you can never change.

"JUST BE TOM CRUISE BRO"
View attachment 3395962

- BE 5'8 (not even short 1 inch under the average )
- BE A HOLLYWOOD SUPERMODEL
- HAVE 0.001% GENETIC MAKEUP
- UNDERGO MULTIPLE FACIAL SURGERIES

EVEN AFTER ALL THIS YOU MUST WEAR ELEVATOR SHOES AND ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE YOU APPEAR TALLER IN ALL THE CASTS

View attachment 3395967

JUST LOL @ GETTING HEIGHTMOGGED BY WOMEN DESPITE WEARING 10CM ELEVATORS
View attachment 3395968

HERE IS THE COLD HARSH TRUTH ABOUT HEIGHT:
(WARNING: SHIVERS MAY RUN DOWN YOUR SPINE)

- taken from Lookism.

REMEMBER GUYS, LIFE STARTS AT 5'9+ TAKE ALL THE HGH, TAKE ALL THE ROIDS UNDER THE SKY. SAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR LIMB LENGHTHENING @ PALEY. YOU CAN BE A 6FT DRUGGIE YET STILL FIND SOMEONE HOWEVER EVEN THE NICEST 5'5 GUYS HAVE TO TRY HARD. BOTH THE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW ARE 6'2+ BTW
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not tagging anyone because I got no friends yet

it feels good being born in the one of the tallest countries in the world and being 6’1 at 15

 

[fr0st]

Lol lil nga Joined:- Dec 31, 2024 You are insignificant You do not hold much intelligence in that empty vessel called "brain" of yours, And thou shalt dare to tell me to the most Degenerate act of unaliving oneself at the state utmost confusion? Fuark GrAYcel

kill yourself you faggot i deleted my old account ive been on psl since before you started to watch Patrick Bateman looksmaxxing edits get off this site you fat retard.

 

[Willmogulater]

Idk man

This guy don't look tall but has a hot face and I see girls hitting on him all the time

 

[Demonstrator]

demanding him to be at least 190 is insane
Why not 180
What a spoilt whore
God damn

 

[Axhar1]

Both the men you posted their women left almost instantly, and when it comes to height, it’s not about being tall, it’s just about not being short. Once you are around the same height as most guys outside, face clears. Asmongold is a very rich popular streamer and that girl was only with him for a little bit to leech off him

your height point is high iq. Exactly why I said life starts at 5'9 and not 6'5 lol.

 

[Axhar1]

it feels good being born in the one of the tallest countries in the world and being 6’1 at 15

just don't be a retard and spam roids or shit cuz muh 7'0!!

 

[Alexanderr]

It simply seems a lot easier to alter your face than your height. Even a below-average-looking dude can probably get to at least average or even above average in his looks if he's willing to do what most men aren't.
Which is to become lean, figure out which hairstyle actually fits his face, softmax, and maybe undergo some cosmetic procedures like rhinoplasty or genioplasty.
Those are relatively easily done compared to something like leg lengthening which could cripple you (and you'd probably still not be tall if starting as a manlet).
Also, in the club its a lot easier to tell someone's tall vs. someone's very good looking

 

[Axhar1]

Idk man

This guy don't look tall but has a hot face and I see girls hitting on him all the time

Women don't have enough iq to determine height based on pictures, especially cuz short people fraud well enough too. However in real life after the first date most get blocked/ghosted/told straight to face "I expected you to be a little taller!" Obv you can slay as a short guy the bar just gets much, much higher for the face to cover

also nigga said hot face jflll stop being gae

 

[2025cel]

kill yourself you faggot i deleted my old account ive been on psl since before you started to watch Patrick Bateman looksmaxxing edits get off this site you fat retard.

First off (unt I merely acknowledged my very own existence roughly about 2 months ago or so, secondly Your failure to detect a high mountain range troll makes me believe that even tho the tremendous amounts of rotting, You are non-sentient, therefore you and your homo reptile advocate ashkeNAZI frens shall be eradicated and eviscerated with No mercy. Take these restarted copes of yours given to you by the one and only Edomites themselves and go be dishonest in your rotting "experience" and stop being an abomination to the Lord our God(uppercase "G") And run into the wilderness like an Nigga on escape on run!

 

[Axhar1]

It simply seems a lot easier to alter your face than your height. Even a below-average-looking dude can probably get to at least average or even above average in his looks if he's willing to do what most men aren't.
Which is to become lean, figure out which hairstyle actually fits his face, softmax, and maybe undergo some cosmetic procedures like rhinoplasty or genioplasty.
Those are relatively easily done compared to something like leg lengthening which could cripple you (and you'd probably still be tall if starting as a manlet).
Also, in the club its a lot easier to tell someone's tall vs. someone's very good looking

Exactly finally some high iq opinion. It's much easier to improve face Vs height. No softmax for tibia and femur. And yes for looks to matter one has to look right at you and feel the spark, whereas a tall height and frame can kind of be sensed( you'd get it if you stood in a queue Infront of some big guy)

 

[Alexanderr]

Exactly finally some high iq opinion. It's much easier to improve face Vs height. No softmax for tibia and femur. And yes for looks to matter one has to look right at you and feel the spark, whereas a tall height and frame can kind of be sensed( you'd get it if you stood in a queue Infront of some big guy)

I think most know this deep down but because it's so hard (or near impossible) to change height people use face as a coping mechanism to reduce its importance or still feel as though they can change their fate

 

[mightbecooked123]

I think most know this deep down but because it's so hard (or near impossible) to change height people use face as a coping mechanism to reduce its importance or still feel as though they can change their fate

Ever since you started talking about eyelid pulling I knew you fell off jfl

Height is a multiplier not a substitute for face

 

[Alexanderr]

Ever since you started talking about eyelid pulling I knew you fell off jfl

Height is a multiplier not a substitute for face

This has been my opinion for years, and when did I ever talk about eyelid pulling? I don't know anything about it lmao

 

[Axhar1]

I think most know this deep down but because it's so hard (or near impossible) to change height people use face as a coping mechanism to reduce its importance or still feel as though they can change their fate

Yeah this is the cold truth. It's tough accepting it, even now when I read some posts about height there's shivers running down my spine knowing I'll be seen as a kid even at adulthood (LL or death).

Tbh I'm also coping by fixing my face and roiding

 

[mightbecooked123]

This has been my opinion for years, and when did I ever talk about eyelid pulling? I don't know anything about it lmao

You talked about it in botb thread about “consistency”
And to give you an example if height mattered more then Johnny depp would be running his own black pill channel whilst faceandlms would be a terrachad Stacy slayer

 

[jefty]

RUSSIAN HTN OFFS HIMSELF JUST CAUSE OF HIS HEIGHT.

View attachment 3395945
This guy was an active poster on r/shortguys and other short men related subs. Many active posters tried contacting him too yet they all came to the same consensus.

View attachment 3395949

IDC WHAT YOU SAY this is clearly a GL/HTN guy. Just due to his 5'6 height he spiraled down this rabbit hole. Literally 4 inches of bone in his Tibia and he'd be a Russian Slayer. All the women who showed him interest treated him like shit after finding his height.
View attachment 3395969
View attachment 3395975

HEIGHT>FACE.
This is truly a tough topic for many to accept. As a shorter guy you need to be compensating in so many ways yet still people will drag you down for something you can never change.

"JUST BE TOM CRUISE BRO"
View attachment 3395962

- BE 5'8 (not even short 1 inch under the average )
- BE A HOLLYWOOD SUPERMODEL
- HAVE 0.001% GENETIC MAKEUP
- UNDERGO MULTIPLE FACIAL SURGERIES

EVEN AFTER ALL THIS YOU MUST WEAR ELEVATOR SHOES AND ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE YOU APPEAR TALLER IN ALL THE CASTS

View attachment 3395967

JUST LOL @ GETTING HEIGHTMOGGED BY WOMEN DESPITE WEARING 10CM ELEVATORS
View attachment 3395968

HERE IS THE COLD HARSH TRUTH ABOUT HEIGHT:
(WARNING: SHIVERS MAY RUN DOWN YOUR SPINE)

- taken from Lookism.

REMEMBER GUYS, LIFE STARTS AT 5'9+ TAKE ALL THE HGH, TAKE ALL THE ROIDS UNDER THE SKY. SAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR LIMB LENGHTHENING @ PALEY. YOU CAN BE A 6FT DRUGGIE YET STILL FIND SOMEONE HOWEVER EVEN THE NICEST 5'5 GUYS HAVE TO TRY HARD. BOTH THE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW ARE 6'2+ BTW
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not tagging anyone because I got no friends yet

Nice thread

 

[Axhar1]

Ever since you started talking about eyelid pulling I knew you fell off jfl

Height is a multiplier not a substitute for face

Face can go from 1-10
If Height is a multiplier let's assume this

Short guys get *0.5
Tallfags get *2

3/10 6'5 guy 2*3 = 6
9/10 5'1 guy 9*0.5 = 4.5

 

[Alexanderr]

You talked about it in botb thread about “consistency”
And to give you an example if height mattered more then Johnny depp would be running his own black pill channel whilst faceandlms would be a terrachad Stacy slayer

That was a passing mention, JFL. I mentioned half a dozen things and those were merely used as an example to prove the greater point; consistency is a requirement for every softmax, basically.

Height is simply more foundational than a multiplier, especially when a guy with a great face but short stature gets passed over because of his height.

Height has that physical presence and social dominance factor that face alone can't replicate.
It’s not like physique, which can boost someone’s appeal but rarely makes or breaks it unless there’s an extreme like obesity (which impacts face too).

Height itself can absolutely be the dealbreaker, even if other traits are solid.

One counterexample, especially involving a celebrity like Johnny Depp, isn’t a valid argument because celebrities operate in an entirely different social ecosystem. Fame, wealth, and status often override physical attributes like height or even facial aesthetics. Regular people don't have those "multipliers," so the dynamics are fundamentally different.

Additionally, a single anecdote can’t invalidate broader trends or studies showing height's significant impact on dating and attraction. It's like using one exception to claim the rule doesn’t exist, an outlier can't represent the majority.

 

[Axhar1]

You talked about it in botb thread about “consistency”
And to give you an example if height mattered more then Johnny depp would be running his own black pill channel whilst faceandlms would be a terrachad Stacy slayer

Faceandlms is a BBC Tyrone mogger btw

 

[jefty]

Face can go from 1-10
If Height is a multiplier let's assume this

Short guys get *0.5
Tallfags get *2

3/10 6'5 guy 2*3 = 6
9/10 5'1 guy 9*0.5 = 4.5

It depends on the guy and the girl, well i think face Matter more than height but idk what women think

 

[Axhar1]

It depends on the guy and the girl, well i think face Matter more than height but idk what women think

Women 100% prefer height. It's like a flex for them to date tall guys. Ofc every woman is gonna go around and tell "my boyfiee is a 10/10 tee-hee!!!" but only few can say "my boyfiee is 6'5 teehee". In simple words a tall guy is a status symbol for them.

Actually I didn't know about this perspective either but recently I've seen extremely viral tiktoks where girls just flex their guys height in the comments. Guess it's like dudes trying to flex their Stacies.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Face can go from 1-10
If Height is a multiplier let's assume this

Short guys get *0.5
Tallfags get *2

3/10 6'5 guy 2*3 = 6
9/10 5'1 guy 9*0.5 = 4.5

Ok so faceandlms 3.75 face and 10/10 height = chadlite

Johnny depp 8.75 face and short = 4.4/10 meaning incel

That was a passing mention, JFL. I mentioned half a dozen things and those were merely used as an example to prove the greater point; consistency is a requirement for every softmax, basically.

Height is simply more foundational than a multiplier, especially when a guy with a great face but short stature gets passed over because of his height.

Height has that physical presence and social dominance factor that face alone can't replicate.
It’s not like physique, which can boost someone’s appeal but rarely makes or breaks it unless there’s an extreme like obesity (which impacts face too).

Height itself can absolutely be the dealbreaker, even if other traits are solid.

One counterexample, especially involving a celebrity like Johnny Depp, isn’t a valid argument because celebrities operate in an entirely different social ecosystem. Fame, wealth, and status often override physical attributes like height or even facial aesthetics. Regular people don't have those "multipliers," so the dynamics are fundamentally different.

Additionally, a single anecdote can’t invalidate broader trends or studies showing height's significant impact on dating and attraction. It's like using one exception to claim the rule doesn’t exist, an outlier can't represent the majority.

Yeah ik it was and I really liked the message behind that thread because ofc anything does require consistency for surgery you need consistency in moneymaxxing and for softmaxxing you need to commit to a routine after having done your research that it will actually yield effects.

But by talking about obvious tiktok copes you are inherently influencing people to try them, and you implant an idea inside their heads that it might be worth trying. But I also completely see the contra point that they are tiktokcels and they aint going to do shit besides the usual copes anyways JFL.

In my viewpoint, I think that it is a multiplier for the number of women that would consider you.

I think this 2006 study with 22,000 users in the us from dating apps illustrates it quite well a 5'9 manlet would only get 33% less dates on average than a 6'6 height chad. And I think it is naturally controlled for face as its a large data set study. I think it confirms that the halo provided by a taller guys is quite often overestimated by many on here. Im not saying it doesnt matter but its not really the be all and end all unless your an actual turbomanlet.

Yes ok height provides a certain dominance right. But so what? If your an ugly curry do you really think it will make you any more attractive. Its all about the multiplier effect. If anything it would actually make you worse because not only are you ugly and women will reject but your also tall and intimidating to them leading to turning them on more. By them I mean strobe lights.

Yeah physique is pretty much cope tbh. Its good for your health I would say and it makes you more comfortable in your skin for me at least. But in terms of SMV increase yeah its negligible.

Yes ofc height can be a deal breaker its a multiplier so even if your really good looking it will have an effect on your SMV.

How is that any different from face as well? Face is an absolute deal breaker in fact I would argue if your tall and ugly you would just be repulsive to women where as if your short and handsome some shorter women will very much still want to date the same cannot be said for the contra point. But there is a specific case in which height fetish women will want to still date a tall ugly man but I would say again that demographic is negligible in comparison to the amount of short women who want to date handsome short men.
When girls are asked that in the street they imagine an ugly guy as a HTN btw not an actual ugly guy.

And for your counterexample my leading question is:

Do you really think johnny depp would have gotten that status and fame without his looks even though he is a manlet?
If anything I would say it proves my point it shows that he gained a certain social value that is completely unattainable by tall ugly men.
And you cant argue that he got it from his background because he was born to a civil engineer and a waitress theres no way you can argue he only got those roles because of connections.
He got there because of his looks case and point.

Yeah I agree with you that anecdotal examples are usually a terrible way to lead an argument but tbh can you really blame me?
Its an extremely good example of two very rare extremes. Or maybe not even Faceandlms aint even that ugly looking tbh it just goes to further prove my point. But I can see the counter that johnny depp also aint that much of a manlet at 5'9. I think the study I showed illustrates the further evidence tbh. Is 33% a large number? Yes ofc it is but your comparing chad height to manlet height if it was really that much of a halo it would be substantially height.

Why tf did I write this

 

[Alexanderr]

Ok so faceandlms 3.75 face and 10/10 height = chadlite

Johnny depp 8.75 face and short = 4.4/10 meaning incel

Yeah ik it was and I really liked the message behind that thread because ofc anything does require consistency for surgery you need consistency in moneymaxxing and for softmaxxing you need to commit to a routine after having done your research that it will actually yield effects.

But by talking about obvious tiktok copes you are inherently influencing people to try them, and you implant an idea inside their heads that it might be worth trying. But I also completely see the contra point that they are tiktokcels and they aint going to do shit besides the usual copes anyways JFL.

In my viewpoint, I think that it is a multiplier for the number of women that would consider you.

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I think this 2006 study with 22,000 users in the us from dating apps illustrates it quite well a 5'9 manlet would only get 33% less dates on average than a 6'6 height chad. And I think it is naturally controlled for face as its a large data set study. I think it confirms that the halo provided by a taller guys is quite often overestimated by many on here. Im not saying it doesnt matter but its not really the be all and end all unless your an actual turbomanlet.

Yes ok height provides a certain dominance right. But so what? If your an ugly curry do you really think it will make you any more attractive. Its all about the multiplier effect. If anything it would actually make you worse because not only are you ugly and women will reject but your also tall and intimidating to them leading to turning them on more. By them I mean strobe lights.

Yeah physique is pretty much cope tbh. Its good for your health I would say and it makes you more comfortable in your skin for me at least. But in terms of SMV increase yeah its negligible.

Yes ofc height can be a deal breaker its a multiplier so even if your really good looking it will have an effect on your SMV.

How is that any different from face as well? Face is an absolute deal breaker in fact I would argue if your tall and ugly you would just be repulsive to women where as if your short and handsome some shorter women will very much still want to date the same cannot be said for the contra point. But there is a specific case in which height fetish women will want to still date a tall ugly man but I would say again that demographic is negligible in comparison to the amount of short women who want to date handsome short men.
When girls are asked that in the street they imagine an ugly guy as a HTN btw not an actual ugly guy.

And for your counterexample my leading question is:

Do you really think johnny depp would have gotten that status and fame without his looks even though he is a manlet?
If anything I would say it proves my point it shows that he gained a certain social value that is completely unattainable by tall ugly men.
And you cant argue that he got it from his background because he was born to a civil engineer and a waitress theres no way you can argue he only got those roles because of connections.
He got there because of his looks case and point.

Yeah I agree with you that anecdotal examples are usually a terrible way to lead an argument but tbh can you really blame me?
Its an extremely good example of two very rare extremes. Or maybe not even Faceandlms aint even that ugly looking tbh it just goes to further prove my point. But I can see the counter that johnny depp also aint that much of a manlet at 5'9. I think the study I showed illustrates the further evidence tbh. Is 33% a large number? Yes ofc it is but your comparing chad height to manlet height if it was really that much of a halo it would be substantially height.

Why tf did I write this

I see what you're saying, and I agree with a few points, but I think the argument needs some nuance.

First, about height being a multiplier: sure, it increases the pool of women who might consider you, but the dominance and physical presence height brings isn’t just additive; it’s foundational.

Here's a study by St Andrews that shows height is directly tied to perceptions of masculinity and dominance, which women are biologically wired to find attractive. It’s less about tall guys being "too intimidating"; it’s about height creating an initial "baseline appeal" that face alone can’t replicate.

Okay, so now the 2006 study, a 33% difference in matches between 5’9 and 6’6 is actually massive when you think about it, these are both tall-ish guys compared to the real struggles of men under 5’7. 5'9 would merely be about average, not truly short.
That gap isn’t just a "halo effect" being overstated; it’s height acting as a dealbreaker for many women on apps. Here's an article on height bias in dating that supports this, a lot of short men often don’t even get a chance to compete.

But I get your point about tall and ugly guys being intimidating, but that’s an edge case. The majority of tall men still benefit from height, even if their face isn’t great. Height amplifies other traits, but it can also stand on its own in a way that face can’t.

Now, about Johnny Depp: his looks definitely helped, but you’re overlooking the fact that his fame and status fundamentally skew the argument. Regular guys don’t have access to those "multipliers." His success isn’t about his height or even just his face; it’s about access and fame, which are outliers in normal dating dynamics.

TLDR: height isn’t just a multiplier, it’s often the foundation. A short guy with a great face will still struggle compared to a tall, average-looking guy because height signals dominance and protection in a way that face can’t.

 

[mightbecooked123]

I see what you're saying, and I agree with a few points, but I think the argument needs some nuance.

First, about height being a multiplier: sure, it increases the pool of women who might consider you, but the dominance and physical presence height brings isn’t just additive; it’s foundational.

Here's a study by St Andrews that shows height is directly tied to perceptions of masculinity and dominance, which women are biologically wired to find attractive. It’s less about tall guys being "too intimidating"; it’s about height creating an initial "baseline appeal" that face alone can’t replicate.

Okay, so now the 2006 study, a 33% difference in matches between 5’9 and 6’6 is actually massive when you think about it, these are both tall-ish guys compared to the real struggles of men under 5’7. 5'9 would merely be about average, not truly short.
That gap isn’t just a "halo effect" being overstated; it’s height acting as a dealbreaker for many women on apps. Here's an article on height bias in dating that supports this, a lot of short men often don’t even get a chance to compete.

But I get your point about tall and ugly guys being intimidating, but that’s an edge case. The majority of tall men still benefit from height, even if their face isn’t great. Height amplifies other traits, but it can also stand on its own in a way that face can’t.

Now, about Johnny Depp: his looks definitely helped, but you’re overlooking the fact that his fame and status fundamentally skew the argument. Regular guys don’t have access to those "multipliers." His success isn’t about his height or even just his face; it’s about access and fame, which are outliers in normal dating dynamics.

TLDR: height isn’t just a multiplier, it’s often the foundation. A short guy with a great face will still struggle compared to a tall, average-looking guy because height signals dominance and protection in a way that face can’t.

It doesn’t let me access the study and says I have to pay do you have a pdf or something?

 

[Alexanderr]

It doesn’t let me access the study and says I have to pay do you have a pdf or something?

https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0301006615596898?journalCode=peca

 

[moreplatesmoreweigh]

I’m 6’99 and height doesn’t matter

 

[fr0st]

First off (unt I merely acknowledged my very own existence roughly about 2 months ago or so, secondly Your failure to detect a high mountain range troll makes me believe that even tho the tremendous amounts of rotting, You are non-sentient, therefore you and your homo reptile advocate ashkeNAZI frens shall be eradicated and eviscerated with No mercy. Take these restarted copes of yours given to you by the one and only Edomites themselves and go be dishonest in your rotting "experience" and stop being an abomination to the Lord our God(uppercase "G") And run into the wilderness like an Nigga on escape on run!

my bad bro

 

[mvob]

EVERY SINGLE NORMIE despises prettyboy. They call them "gay" and not "masculine" enough. Check any tiktok eboys comment sections --> it's either women simping or other men hating hard

The bald and bearded gymcel manlets masculinity coping calling the prettyboys gay.
Jealousy, they know all girls lust over prettyboys hence why they hate them so much.

 

[mvob]

The tik tok pretty boys get hate because they are doing dances and other gay coded stuff that women like and it pisses off men that they are getting that attention. If a pretty boy doesn’t do that stuff he gets literally 0 hate, even online. Look at “wintcrws” on instagram he is a total pretty boy and gets 0 hate comments because the stuff he’s doing isn’t gay coded. I guarantee if he did even a single dance he would get 100s of haters in the comments.

It's literally just jealousy I've experienced it firsthand.
They hate that girls lust over prettyboys and it makes the masculinity coping gymcels so mad.

 

[chicoishtn]

wtf he roped? always saw his posts and he seemed pretty based

rip to my man

 

[Axhar1]

Ok so faceandlms 3.75 face and 10/10 height = chadlite

Johnny depp 8.75 face and short = 4.4/10 meaning incel

There's a height threshold after which it's no longer a failo. Depp is 5'10, a height where it doesn't take points off of you, or reward you otherwise. If he was 5'1 he'd be on r/tinder whining ab his dating profile

 

[JohnDoe]

Brutal heightpill thread. So over at 174 for me.

 

[nuttheb]

RUSSIAN HTN OFFS HIMSELF JUST CAUSE OF HIS HEIGHT.

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This guy was an active poster on r/shortguys and other short men related subs. Many active posters tried contacting him too yet they all came to the same consensus.

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IDC WHAT YOU SAY this is clearly a GL/HTN guy. Just due to his 5'6 height he spiraled down this rabbit hole. Literally 4 inches of bone in his Tibia and he'd be a Russian Slayer. All the women who showed him interest treated him like shit after finding his height.
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HEIGHT>FACE.
This is truly a tough topic for many to accept. As a shorter guy you need to be compensating in so many ways yet still people will drag you down for something you can never change.

"JUST BE TOM CRUISE BRO"
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- BE 5'8 (not even short 1 inch under the average )
- BE A HOLLYWOOD SUPERMODEL
- HAVE 0.001% GENETIC MAKEUP
- UNDERGO MULTIPLE FACIAL SURGERIES

EVEN AFTER ALL THIS YOU MUST WEAR ELEVATOR SHOES AND ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE YOU APPEAR TALLER IN ALL THE CASTS

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JUST LOL @ GETTING HEIGHTMOGGED BY WOMEN DESPITE WEARING 10CM ELEVATORS
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HERE IS THE COLD HARSH TRUTH ABOUT HEIGHT:
(WARNING: SHIVERS MAY RUN DOWN YOUR SPINE)

- taken from Lookism.

REMEMBER GUYS, LIFE STARTS AT 5'9+ TAKE ALL THE HGH, TAKE ALL THE ROIDS UNDER THE SKY. SAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR LIMB LENGHTHENING @ PALEY. YOU CAN BE A 6FT DRUGGIE YET STILL FIND SOMEONE HOWEVER EVEN THE NICEST 5'5 GUYS HAVE TO TRY HARD. BOTH THE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW ARE 6'2+ BTW
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not tagging anyone because I got no friends yet

so instead if using the money he saved for LL he killed himself jfl weak human

 

[Axhar1]

so instead if using the money he saved for LL he killed himself jfl weak human

bro LL costs 200k not 2k who tf is saving up for that