PSL vs Appeal copes EVISCERATED

[Sadist]

Mirin the thread and responses, but this section made no sense to me. I agree with all the definitions btw

In list format because I don't really want to quote everything again

1. Why is it inherently incorrect to ask whether facial appeal breadth is more important than having "facial harmony; facial dimorphism; leanness/angularity and positive miscellaneous features?"
2. How is it better to put PSL against SMV than it is to compare the weight of two components of SMV?
3. WDYM "...vs appeal (SMV)?" Appeal and SMV aren't synonymous

Sorry if this was dumb

youre confusing yourself

1. because “appeal” is a term for what group of foids you appeal to; people mix up appeal and smv

2. it is wrong to put psl against smv to begin with, thats the entire point the thread makes

3. exactly. i said psl vs appeal becaude thats what greys say, the (psl) part is what is actually supposed to be said (still shouldnt be compared tho)

again, smv is inherently more important than psl, as psl is a component of smv

 

[mido25]

Do you have the peer reviewed papers that were used to calculate these ratios? or maybe a thread that has them?

 

[Lookologist003]

The ideal ranges for all quantifiable measurements are derived from peer-reviewed research papers

I've never seen those papers. So you can link them. Or is this just a legend?

 

[Sadist]

I've never seen those papers. So you can link them. Or is this just a legend?

if i link all of them, it will take wayyyyyy too long
what exactly are you looking for?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

Real shit, should’ve tagged me brah.

I want to add that most of the time, when someone says “high psl, low appeal” what they usually mean (without realising it) is that the person simply hasn’t nichemaxxed yet. Or alternatively, they fit into a niche which the rater doesn’t understand or sees poorly.

Bass, depoot, and other angular, monochromatic looking alt guys will often be called low appeal, only because their niche isn’t the average, tanned, fake blonde tiktok foid who only listens to what her average friends and normie algorithm feed her.

 

[got.daim]

Real shit, should’ve tagged me brah.

I want to add that most of the time, when someone says “high psl, low appeal” what they usually mean (without realising it) is that the person simply hasn’t nichemaxxed yet. Or alternatively, they fit into a niche which the rater doesn’t understand or sees poorly.

Bass, depoot, and other angular, monochromatic looking alt guys will often be called low appeal, only because their niche isn’t the average, tanned, fake blonde tiktok foid who only listens to what her average friends and normie algorithm feed her.

update your frame maxing thread

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

update your frame maxing thread

update this dick, nobody cares enough for me to take the effort to rewrite it. plus, i’ve already replied to it and said everything that i still firmly believe will improve the frame

 

[got.daim]

update this dick, nobody cares enough for me to take the effort to rewrite it. plus, i’ve already replied to it and said everything that i still firmly believe will improve the frame

bet, lets take this to PMs

 

[Evgeniy291]

62% harmony
7.5 angularity
8 features
7 dimorphism
7/10 low cl

Where did you get 62% from, almost all of the measurements except his forehead are within ideal range

 

[Soldat22]

“PSL vs Appeal” copes Eviscerated

Spoiler: Thread Song

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For the past year or so, people have been constantly debating whether one can have high PSL, but low appeal and vice versa; if PSL & appeal are connected - or are completely separate from each other, and a lot of similar subjects. In this thread, we will dive deep into this topic, with the goal of covering as many questions, that can emerge in this debate, as possible.


First and foremost - we need to understand what exactly either of those terms mean. This may seem like water for 90% of users, but I would still insist you read through all of this, just to help you see the full picture later on.


The PSL Scale (or in this context, any other such established scale) is a measure of standalone FACIAL ATTRACTIVENESS.
It is calculated using a scoring system, which assesses four aspects: facial harmony; facial dimorphism; leanness/angularity and miscellaneous (skin/coloring/some features/etc.). The ideal ranges for all quantifiable measurements are derived from peer-reviewed research papers & commonly agreed-upon, unbiased, vast sample clusters - in order to reach the highest extent of objectivity, whilst retaining lowest amounts of human error.

Classic examples of low vs. high PSL:
View attachment 3776205 vs. View attachment 3776207​

Appeal (to a certain group of people in this context) is created through adapting to an archetype & style/niche, which relates to a corresponding group/subgroup/niche/etc.

Examples of men appealing to young + alt vs. mature + normie foids:
View attachment 3776216 vs. View attachment 3776217​

Something looks off, doesn’t it?
When people debate this (usually in tiktok comments ), they basically put facial ratings against relatability to a certain group, which is inherently incorrect either way. So here is one more important definition for you:


SMV (sex market value) is a metric used to predict one’s frequency/quality of slaying (or to be precise, unconditional female attention in general). It consists of one’s height, frame, build, appeal breadth, status, and most importantly, you guessed it - PSL.

Classic example of low vs. high SMV:
View attachment 3776229​

A more valid debate would be “PSL vs SMV”. Yet still, if PSL is a component of SMV, then it would make absolutely 0 sense to put them against each other, as one is but a part of the other.


So here is my main point: There is no such thing as “muh high PSL low appeal (SMV)”. Since PSL makes up a massive chunk of SMV regardless, your score would be relatively high whether you had everything else, or not (only with the exception extremes, such as syndromic height, etc., of course). However, you CAN have relatively low PSL with relatively high SMV, if you possess other characteristics, which contribute to SMV.

Examples of lower PSL, but with other boosts vs. higher PSL on its own:
View attachment 3776376 vs. View attachment 3776453
On the left, we have Horsemeet, and on the right - Zayn Malik.
Horsemeet is around high MTN facially, but is around 6'1, has a good frame, physique & niche.
Malik, on the other hand, is 5’8, with an average frame, physique & has a niche that is mainly directed at pop rock fans. However, in his prime, he was at the very least high CL, and some people would still call that an underrate, which I wouldn’t blame them for.
One could argue, that their status is completely different, but to be honest, they are both big enough to have a similar fame score in their niche, as it can only get so high.


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This brings me to another point: PSL is still law in terms of Looksmaxing. I’ve heard people cope with “muh models like De Poot do have high PSL, but I don’t see foids thirsting after them; I could see Marlon slay infinitely more than him, even though he has lower PSL!”.
This, buddy boyo, is a good example of what I’ve mentioned before.
De Poot is a model. Models do weird shit. He usually wears weird shit, is skinny as shit, etc.; Yet still, it will take him infinitely less effort to surpass Marlon in SMV, than for Marlon to surpass De Poot in PSL. If they both had exactly the same height, frame, physique & everything else, except for face - De Poot would still SMV mog, obviously.


Fellas, it’s not 2023 anymore. Please get a grip. People like Bass or Zeta do indeed have high “appeal”.

Thank you for reading my thread boyos. Love.

DNR appeal will mostly beat psl