Ramieri update.

[Denkaren]

I do now have an update regarding the tremendous botch Ramieri(aka Da Vinci according to some) did on me.

I got my surgical movements from him today, let me tell you this, he is an incompetent cunt.

He rotated my proximal segment assymetrical.

If you look at my before and after you will see how my left side after the surgery tilts more downwards, while my right are more upwards.

This was his completely brilliant idea of fixing the assymetry.

Know how do I know this is the vital factor to my breathing issues?

I started to experiment with my tongue and noticed once I pushed my tongue on the left side up more, my breathing got “normal”.

The genioglossus are attached to the mandible, rotating the proximal segment assymetrical=assymetrical tongue.

I belive this might be a reason as to why some experience breathing problems after even though they’ve made huge advancements.

A parallel tongue is upmost crucial to breathe normal.

This is ridiculous. The crazy part? I’m not the first that gets this complete incompetent movements where the surgeon has no knowledge what so ever of the tongue.

Several Raffaini patients seem to complain about this exact thing.

Ramieri, Pagnoni and Raffaini, what those this three bellends has in common? Several botches, no adequate knowledge of the fucking tongue.

Complete disaster.

For your knowledge, I’ve seen the recent results of Ramieri, no one in here can say that his results are optimal, your extremly bias if you do. He can’t do a proper genioplasty because I don’t think he freaking knows how to use bonegrafts which explain all the irregularities in his patient from his recent revolutionary method, “stairway genioplasty”.

I can’t comprehend how you can be a jaw surgeon and not have knowledge of the organ you directly want to affect to improve sleep apnea patients.

My reality is this now: Doing a revision as to where I tell my surgeon to do reorientation of my proximal segment to make the tongue pararell and also FUCKING advance it the same amount Ramieri chose to do set back.

You may wonder why I choose the us when I live in Europe: Ramieri decided to use biocortical screws as rigid fixation. No European surgeon wants to remove biocortical screws when the bone has healed, comes with too much of a risk.

After consulting 25 surgeons I finally found a surgeon that was willing and had experience from removing biocortical screws. He will also do my revision but at a high cost, 29 000$ for merely my underjaw. If I want to have a hospital night, the bill would be around 110 000$ so I’ve chosen not to.

Go straight to the hotel dizzy from the surgery and anaesthesia, living the dream.

I sincerely thank Ramieri and all the promoters of him, you’ve made this past 2 years a living hell but from now on it can only get better.

Irritating to be forced to use 55 000$ of your saving money in total to look the same.

 

[idnap]

I do now have an update regarding the tremendous botch Ramieri(aka Da Vinci according to some) did on me.

I got my surgical movements from him today, let me tell you this, he is an incompetent cunt.

He rotated my proximal segment assymetrical.

If you look at my before and after you will see how my left side after the surgery tilts more downwards, while my right are more upwards.

This was his completely brilliant idea of fixing the assymetry.

Know how do I know this is the vital factor to my breathing issues?

I started to experiment with my tongue and noticed once I pushed my tongue on the left side up more, my breathing got “normal”.

The genioglossus are attached to the mandible, rotating the proximal segment assymetrical=assymetrical tongue.

I belive this might be a reason as to why some experience breathing problems after even though they’ve made huge advancements.

A parallel tongue is upmost crucial to breathe normal.

This is ridiculous. The crazy part? I’m not the first that gets this complete incompetent movements where the surgeon has no knowledge what so ever of the tongue.

Several Raffaini patients seem to complain about this exact thing.

Ramieri, Pagnoni and Raffaini, what those this three bellends has in common? Several botches, no adequate knowledge of the fucking tongue.

Complete disaster.

For your knowledge, I’ve seen the recent results of Ramieri, no one in here can say that his results are optimal, your extremly bias if you do. He can’t do a proper genioplasty because I don’t think he freaking knows how to use bonegrafts which explain all the irregularities in his patient from his recent revolutionary method, “stairway genioplasty”.

I can’t comprehend how you can be a jaw surgeon and not have knowledge of the organ you directly want to affect to improve sleep apnea patients.

My reality is this now: Doing a revision as to where I tell my surgeon to do reorientation of my proximal segment to make the tongue pararell and also FUCKING advance it the same amount Ramieri chose to do set back.
I will do the revision in the US and approximately pay 29 k.

You may wonder why I choose the us when I live in Europe: Ramieri decided to use biocortical screws as rigid fixation. No European surgeon wants to remove biocortical screws when the bone has healed, comes with too much of a risk.

After consulting 25 surgeons I finally found a surgeon that was willing and had experience from removing biocortical screws. He will also do my revision but at a high cost, 29 000$ for merely my underjaw. If I want to have a hospital night, the bill would be around 110 000$ so I’ve chosen not to.

Go straight to the hotel dizzy from the surgery and anaesthesia and hopefully provide an update about a successful revision.

Peace.

brutal

 

[Denkaren]

brutal

You can imagine how much I cringe when I see fools that haven’t had non of the Italian trio as a surgeon glazing them to the sky. Autism is too strong in this sub. It’s like arguing with a wall when one austic kid has made up his mind on something.

Rational thinking doesn’t seem to be the strongest trait here.

The pigfucker lurkycell or what his incest name is has probably contributed the most to the hype.

 

[cash.org]

what exactly went wrong looks wise.

dont understand shit from bone and dnr

 

[Denkaren]

what exactly went wrong looks wise.

dont understand shit from bone and dnr

I look like a meatball after the surgery. All angularity vanished from his Ramus flaring.

Imagine a fat-person face but you do from a distance get the illusion that the jaws are sharp. When you look at the nuances in close you will see how fucked Ramus flaring make your appearance but I don’t give a fck about that.

I want to be able to breathe normal and proceed with my life.

 

[tyler1234]

Bro those prices are so off u could go else for a revision for way cheaper

 

[Denkaren]

Bro those prices are so off u could go else for a revision for way cheaper

Where, with whom??

 

[tyler1234]

I seen quite a few people go to dr eren pera in turkey for revisions

 

[yussimania]

should have posted this to cosmetic surgery not normal looksmaxing forum cuz no one here hardmaxxed it's full of bonesmashers and roidcels

@Gengar
@Hernan

could you move it?

 

[Oliebol]

I do now have an update regarding the tremendous botch Ramieri(aka Da Vinci according to some) did on me.

I got my surgical movements from him today, let me tell you this, he is an incompetent cunt.

He rotated my proximal segment assymetrical.

If you look at my before and after you will see how my left side after the surgery tilts more downwards, while my right are more upwards.

This was his completely brilliant idea of fixing the assymetry.

Know how do I know this is the vital factor to my breathing issues?

I started to experiment with my tongue and noticed once I pushed my tongue on the left side up more, my breathing got “normal”.

The genioglossus are attached to the mandible, rotating the proximal segment assymetrical=assymetrical tongue.

I belive this might be a reason as to why some experience breathing problems after even though they’ve made huge advancements.

A parallel tongue is upmost crucial to breathe normal.

This is ridiculous. The crazy part? I’m not the first that gets this complete incompetent movements where the surgeon has no knowledge what so ever of the tongue.

Several Raffaini patients seem to complain about this exact thing.

Ramieri, Pagnoni and Raffaini, what those this three bellends has in common? Several botches, no adequate knowledge of the fucking tongue.

Complete disaster.

For your knowledge, I’ve seen the recent results of Ramieri, no one in here can say that his results are optimal, your extremly bias if you do. He can’t do a proper genioplasty because I don’t think he freaking knows how to use bonegrafts which explain all the irregularities in his patient from his recent revolutionary method, “stairway genioplasty”.

I can’t comprehend how you can be a jaw surgeon and not have knowledge of the organ you directly want to affect to improve sleep apnea patients.

My reality is this now: Doing a revision as to where I tell my surgeon to do reorientation of my proximal segment to make the tongue pararell and also FUCKING advance it the same amount Ramieri chose to do set back.

You may wonder why I choose the us when I live in Europe: Ramieri decided to use biocortical screws as rigid fixation. No European surgeon wants to remove biocortical screws when the bone has healed, comes with too much of a risk.

After consulting 25 surgeons I finally found a surgeon that was willing and had experience from removing biocortical screws. He will also do my revision but at a high cost, 29 000$ for merely my underjaw. If I want to have a hospital night, the bill would be around 110 000$ so I’ve chosen not to.

Go straight to the hotel dizzy from the surgery and anaesthesia, living the dream.

I sincerely thank Ramieri and all the promoters of him, you’ve made this past 2 years a living hell but from now on it can only get better.

Irritating to be forced to use 55 000$ of your saving money in total to look the same.

Hate that this happened to you bro. What is the reddit post in the picture about? it has raffaini on it and not ramieri

 

[Tr0ubLe]

Lol just bonesmash religiously for 2 years it grew me a chin

 

[juuufoe]

Proof

 

[shapp]

if you could go back in time which surgeon would you have chosen instead of him

 

[tyler1234]

 

[Legend08]

Sorry to hear that bro if you want to save money go to Turkey istanbul for your revision there are great surgeons there like dr burak

 

[Ascension75]

You can imagine how much I cringe when I see fools that haven’t had non of the Italian trio as a surgeon glazing them to the sky. Autism is too strong in this sub.

It's more autistic to discredit raffaini because you got fucked over by ramieri as if they were in the same tier list. You cheaped out on the surgeon. ramieri doesn't have an eye for aesthetic and lacks skills.

 

[AustrianMogger]

I do now have an update regarding the tremendous botch Ramieri(aka Da Vinci according to some) did on me.

I got my surgical movements from him today, let me tell you this, he is an incompetent cunt.

He rotated my proximal segment assymetrical.

If you look at my before and after you will see how my left side after the surgery tilts more downwards, while my right are more upwards.

This was his completely brilliant idea of fixing the assymetry.

Know how do I know this is the vital factor to my breathing issues?

I started to experiment with my tongue and noticed once I pushed my tongue on the left side up more, my breathing got “normal”.

The genioglossus are attached to the mandible, rotating the proximal segment assymetrical=assymetrical tongue.

I belive this might be a reason as to why some experience breathing problems after even though they’ve made huge advancements.

A parallel tongue is upmost crucial to breathe normal.

This is ridiculous. The crazy part? I’m not the first that gets this complete incompetent movements where the surgeon has no knowledge what so ever of the tongue.

Several Raffaini patients seem to complain about this exact thing.

Ramieri, Pagnoni and Raffaini, what those this three bellends has in common? Several botches, no adequate knowledge of the fucking tongue.

Complete disaster.

For your knowledge, I’ve seen the recent results of Ramieri, no one in here can say that his results are optimal, your extremly bias if you do. He can’t do a proper genioplasty because I don’t think he freaking knows how to use bonegrafts which explain all the irregularities in his patient from his recent revolutionary method, “stairway genioplasty”.

I can’t comprehend how you can be a jaw surgeon and not have knowledge of the organ you directly want to affect to improve sleep apnea patients.

My reality is this now: Doing a revision as to where I tell my surgeon to do reorientation of my proximal segment to make the tongue pararell and also FUCKING advance it the same amount Ramieri chose to do set back.

You may wonder why I choose the us when I live in Europe: Ramieri decided to use biocortical screws as rigid fixation. No European surgeon wants to remove biocortical screws when the bone has healed, comes with too much of a risk.

After consulting 25 surgeons I finally found a surgeon that was willing and had experience from removing biocortical screws. He will also do my revision but at a high cost, 29 000$ for merely my underjaw. If I want to have a hospital night, the bill would be around 110 000$ so I’ve chosen not to.

Go straight to the hotel dizzy from the surgery and anaesthesia, living the dream.

I sincerely thank Ramieri and all the promoters of him, you’ve made this past 2 years a living hell but from now on it can only get better.

Irritating to be forced to use 55 000$ of your saving money in total to look the same.

dnr but i think ramieri is a good surgeon but no different than any other local nigger. Any surgeon can and will make mistakes risk of the business.
Pagnoni is better

 

[yussimania]

It's more autistic to discredit raffaini because you got fucked over by ramieri as if they were in the same tier list. You cheaped out on the surgeon. ramieri doesn't have an eye for aesthetic and lacks skills.

idiot

 

[Denkaren]

It's more autistic to discredit raffaini because you got fucked over by ramieri as if they were in the same tier list. You cheaped out on the surgeon. ramieri doesn't have an eye for aesthetic and lacks skills.

Your a twat you do know that right?

Cheaped out? My Swedish orthodontist was the one recommending Ramieri, she has worked with him before.

I mean I do know you’re totally delusional but wake up. If you wouldn’t sniff your ritalin tablets you would have heard of the several patients he has botched.

You’re included in the crowd I referred to about arguing with a wall.

Lost case, do your life-changing surgery with Raffaini

 

[Denkaren]

if you could go back in time which surgeon would you have chosen instead of him

Someone that understand the anatomy of the tongue. Someone that knows that you can’t experiment too much with the underjaw since the genioglossus are attached to it. Some small mm of wrong movement can fuck you up. By that I mean genuinely make you suffocate.

Ask yourself why some who’ve gotten huge advancement ends up with worse breathing, just look at some patient who attended Jawhacks channel.

These frauds haven’t got a fcking clue.

If they would, sleep apnea cure would be 100% successful.

Unfortunately narcissism are too strong within these surgeon, being nuanced and open-minded is hard when you see yourself as god.

 

[Denkaren]

Proof

Proof of what? Sleeping with your mom?

Sent a dm, that hoe couldn’t get enough.

Ps. If you scroll through my comments you will see that I’ve provided proof several times.

Have a nice one dWEEb

 

[Denkaren]

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What do you want me to do with this picture?

 

[Denkaren]

dnr but i think ramieri is a good surgeon but no different than any other local nigger. Any surgeon can and will make mistakes risk of the business.
Pagnoni is better

He is included in the MIOS bullshit. That alone makes a local surgeon superior to him. MIOS is a big scam. Its protocol is the reason as to why so many got botched by this egghead from Spain. MInimally orthognatic INvaSive SurGery.

Everyone involved in MIOS Academy are scammers.

Pagnoni is a wanker too, his botch ratio are almost bigger than succes.

 

[ascending_soon]

Tjena

Undrade om du var från Sverige då du nämnde det. Om fallet är så skulle jag kunna kontakta dig privat. jag hade själv tänkt göra samma operation med Ramieri.

 

[Oliebol]

Pagnoni is a wanker too, his botch ratio are almost bigger than succes.

Based on what? Everyone always say things like this and discredit surgeons but based on what data? Reddit posts that arent even verified

 

[tyler1234]

Based on what? Everyone always say things like this and discredit surgeons but based on what data? Reddit posts that arent even verified

“Ain’t verified “ like people are gunna lie they got botched lol

 

[yussimania]

He is included in the MIOS bullshit. That alone makes a local surgeon superior to him. MIOS is a big scam. Its protocol is the reason as to why so many got botched by this egghead from Spain. MInimally orthognatic INvaSive SurGery.

Everyone involved in MIOS Academy are scammers.

can you elaborate on this?

 

[Oliebol]

“Ain’t verified “ like people are gunna lie they got botched lol

No but they can make stories worse then they are, or other surgeons trying to lose their rivals

 

[Ascension75]

Your a twat you do know that right?

Cheaped out? My Swedish orthodontist was the one recommending Ramieri, she has worked with him before.

I mean I do know you’re totally delusional but wake up. If you wouldn’t sniff your ritalin tablets you would have heard of the several patients he has botched.

You’re included in the crowd I referred to about arguing with a wall.

Lost case, do your life-changing surgery with Raffaini

There is no surgeon that is 30 years in business and has 0 botches. Stop being retarded .

Imagine going to a jaw surgeon that is known to under advance with no track record of actual ascension cases because too conservative but then still proceed to get botched by him. JFL

 

[moltisantichincel]

dude didn't you only pay 9k for a bsso setback?

 

[Denkaren]

dude didn't you only pay 9k for a bsso setback

Where do you incels get this information from?
First some twat decided to say that I couldn’t afford djs and “cheaped out”. Afterwards he (lurkingtruecell) on my mom this guy is the weirdest person I’ve come across tried to explain my movement as if he had better insight in my case than me
Chromosome-damaged individual.

Tell me exactly where I wrote that the cost was 9k smh.
Get of the fent and, go out and get some sunlight.
I’ve never said that, the surgery cost was 15k

 

[Denkaren]

There is no surgeon that is 30 years in business and has 0 botches. Stop being retarded .

Imagine going to a jaw surgeon that is known to under advance with no track record of actual ascension cases because too conservative but then still proceed to get botched by him. JFL

Ahhh retard retard retard.
You do know something called photoshop exists right? Raffaini have been exposed SEVERAL times for photoshopping his cases.

Your probably too dumb to realise that so do your surgery with someone like him.

 

[Denkaren]

No but they can make stories worse then they are, or other surgeons trying to lose their rivals

Based on what? Everyone always say things like this and discredit surgeons but based on what data? Reddit posts that arent even verified

How old are you? 11? 12?

If you’re older than that I recommend you to get some professional help.
Based on what data? Bozo what the fck are you talking about?
Do you think there are some specific data showing botch cases? You’re trolling right?

I can’t take someone this dumb serious

 

[Denkaren]

can you elaborate on this?

Their marketing are based of this minimally irthognatic invasive surgery.
The Barcelona botched does it, the guy from Brazil that made someone look like a llama(famous case, just look it up, must be the worse case I’ve seen in my life).
And many other marketing faggots are included in this academy. This academy is sketchy asf, the mios technique has no science behind it at all.

The outcomes from a mios patient and local surgeon differ a lot.

 

[Denkaren]

Tjena

Undrade om du var från Sverige då du nämnde det. Om fallet är så skulle jag kunna kontakta dig privat. jag hade själv tänkt göra samma operation med Ramieri.

Aa fråga på

 

[metagross]

The way that you are replying to people, calling several member "retard" over and over again, and in general being mentally unstable, makes me think that your story isn't entirely accurate.
You seem to have anger issues and mental problems.

I doubt that this story is true.

 

[Denkaren]

 

[Denkaren]

The way that you are replying to people, calling several member "retard" over and over again, and in general being mentally unstable, makes me think that your story isn't entirely accurate.
You seem to have anger issues and mental problems.

I doubt that this story is true.

Okay buddy.
The reason my language comes across as “primitive” or ”vulgar” is because this forum itself operates at a very low and unhealthy level. I’m simply adapting to the climate I’m engaging in. Look at my response and way of writing at Facebook or Reddit if you want to see the “nice” and “mentally stable” version of me. If you for one second trie to imagine yourself in my situation(which I know you can’t because you probably lack empathy, which btw a lot in this forum seems to do). Payed 15 k(24 k with braces) for a surgery, trusted your orthodontist who recommended him, got functional issues so severe that you get short of breathe when you speak too long, can’t swallow normal, ringings in the ear from tongue pressure on the incisior, worse aesthetic. How freaking mentally stable would you be?

Then don’t belive the story bozo? I’ve showed proof several times.

In environments like this, using overly polite or nuanced language doesn’t freaking work. Direct, blunt language makes it easier to get a point across since this area are filled with people who use vulgar languages because it makes them feel bigger than they are.

Let me ask you this: wouldn’t you get irritated if people repeatedly lied about your own case, misrepresented what you said, and confidently stated things that are objectively untrue? Because that’s exactly what’s been happening here.

When someone refuses to even consider that they might be wrong, treating them as if they’re intellectually serious rarely helps. In those situations, deliberately undermining their assumed certainty can actually be effective, it forces them to come back down to earth and re-evaluate their position.

You’re free to doubt my story, but trying to psychoanalyze my mental state based on tone alone says more about your assumptions than about the facts of the situation.

Feel free to dm me and I will provide all details, TWAT

 

[LEFORT17]

Okay buddy.
The reason my language comes across as “primitive” or ”vulgar” is because this forum itself operates at a very low and unhealthy level. I’m simply adapting to the climate I’m engaging in. Look at my response and way of writing at Facebook or Reddit if you want to see the “nice” and “mentally stable” version of me. If you for one second trie to imagine yourself in my situation(which I know you can’t because you probably lack empathy, which btw a lot in this forum seems to do). Payed 15 k(24 k with braces) for a surgery, trusted your orthodontist who recommended him, got functional issues so severe that you get short of breathe when you speak too long, can’t swallow normal, ringings in the ear from tongue pressure on the incisior, worse aesthetic. How freaking mentally stable would you be?

Then don’t belive the story bozo? I’ve showed proof several times.

In environments like this, using overly polite or nuanced language doesn’t freaking work. Direct, blunt language makes it easier to get a point across since this area are filled with people who use vulgar languages because it makes them feel bigger than they are.

Let me ask you this: wouldn’t you get irritated if people repeatedly lied about your own case, misrepresented what you said, and confidently stated things that are objectively untrue? Because that’s exactly what’s been happening here.

When someone refuses to even consider that they might be wrong, treating them as if they’re intellectually serious rarely helps. In those situations, deliberately undermining their assumed certainty can actually be effective, it forces them to come back down to earth and re-evaluate their position.

You’re free to doubt my story, but trying to psychoanalyze my mental state based on tone alone says more about your assumptions than about the facts of the situation.

Feel free to dm me and I will provide all details, TWAT

i just hit the fastest 67 oat btw

 

[Denkaren]

i just hit the fastest 67 oat btw

Exactly the kind of comment this thread needed. Groundbreaking information mate, just proved my point how blunt language makes it easier to prove a point.

You have to be on the same primitive level as the people you’re trying to communicate the message to.

I’m here to warn others and describe my case but according to Metagross I’m too mentally unstable because I “seem angry”.

Actually fucking hilarious

 

[LEFORT17]

Exactly the kind of comment this thread needed. Groundbreaking information mate, just proved my point how blunt language makes it easier to prove a point.

You have to be on the same primitive level as the people you’re trying to communicate the message to.

I’m here to warn others and describe my case but according to Metagross I’m too mentally unstable because I “seem angry”.

Actually fucking hilarious

i just hit it again. holy fuck

 

[lurking truecel]

Okay buddy.
The reason my language comes across as “primitive” or ”vulgar” is because this forum itself operates at a very low and unhealthy level. I’m simply adapting to the climate I’m engaging in. Look at my response and way of writing at Facebook or Reddit if you want to see the “nice” and “mentally stable” version of me. If you for one second trie to imagine yourself in my situation(which I know you can’t because you probably lack empathy, which btw a lot in this forum seems to do). Payed 15 k(24 k with braces) for a surgery, trusted your orthodontist who recommended him, got functional issues so severe that you get short of breathe when you speak too long, can’t swallow normal, ringings in the ear from tongue pressure on the incisior, worse aesthetic. How freaking mentally stable would you be?

Then don’t belive the story bozo? I’ve showed proof several times.

In environments like this, using overly polite or nuanced language doesn’t freaking work. Direct, blunt language makes it easier to get a point across since this area are filled with people who use vulgar languages because it makes them feel bigger than they are.

Let me ask you this: wouldn’t you get irritated if people repeatedly lied about your own case, misrepresented what you said, and confidently stated things that are objectively untrue? Because that’s exactly what’s been happening here.

When someone refuses to even consider that they might be wrong, treating them as if they’re intellectually serious rarely helps. In those situations, deliberately undermining their assumed certainty can actually be effective, it forces them to come back down to earth and re-evaluate their position.

You’re free to doubt my story, but trying to psychoanalyze my mental state based on tone alone says more about your assumptions than about the facts of the situation.

Feel free to dm me and I will provide all details, TWAT

You are writing threads in a thread. Just post your before and after, and the cbct scan so everyone can see the botch and how your airway etc changed. Would be a lot easier then just writing paragraph after paragraph. People here dont read that much and most people dont believe what people write unless real proof.

Show your cbct, airway change, and how much the movements were. And how your bite is now

 

[Denkaren]

You are writing threads in a thread. Just post your before and after, and the cbct scan so everyone can see the botch and how your airway etc changed. Would be a lot easier then just writing paragraph after paragraph. People here dont read that much and most people dont believe what people write unless real proof.

Show your cbct, airway change, and how much the movements were. And how your bite is now

The Ramieri glazer are back again.
I’ve posted the front before and after scan.

“People here don’t read that much” No shit, your indirectly calling them retarded, be aware that metaGross might jump into your dm accusing you of being “too angry” and “mentally unstable”.

I’m meting the us surgeon in a month, will take new cbct scan then.

My tongue are too far back and not central with my throat which sometimes genuinely makes me choke.

Do you see Ramieri as some kind of god or infallible authority?

What is it that makes some here so unwilling to even consider that im telling the truth?

Why is skepticism never applied to him in here?
Has Ramieri’s marketing gone so deep that critical thinking just shuts off the moment his name is mentioned?
The reason as to why the response are so different here compared to Facebook are as I said before Autism. Black or white thinking. They’ve already made up their mind and has loyalty to a figure they’re in their mind decided cannot be questioned.

 

[Davidproton]

dnr but i think ramieri is a good surgeon but no different than any other local nigger. Any surgeon can and will make mistakes risk of the business.
Pagnoni is better

they say Pagoni has way more botches

 

[ssxjdgh]

I do now have an update regarding the tremendous botch Ramieri(aka Da Vinci according to some) did on me.

I got my surgical movements from him today, let me tell you this, he is an incompetent cunt.

He rotated my proximal segment assymetrical.

If you look at my before and after you will see how my left side after the surgery tilts more downwards, while my right are more upwards.

This was his completely brilliant idea of fixing the assymetry.

Know how do I know this is the vital factor to my breathing issues?

I started to experiment with my tongue and noticed once I pushed my tongue on the left side up more, my breathing got “normal”.

The genioglossus are attached to the mandible, rotating the proximal segment assymetrical=assymetrical tongue.

I belive this might be a reason as to why some experience breathing problems after even though they’ve made huge advancements.

A parallel tongue is upmost crucial to breathe normal.

This is ridiculous. The crazy part? I’m not the first that gets this complete incompetent movements where the surgeon has no knowledge what so ever of the tongue.

Several Raffaini patients seem to complain about this exact thing.

Ramieri, Pagnoni and Raffaini, what those this three bellends has in common? Several botches, no adequate knowledge of the fucking tongue.

Complete disaster.

For your knowledge, I’ve seen the recent results of Ramieri, no one in here can say that his results are optimal, your extremly bias if you do. He can’t do a proper genioplasty because I don’t think he freaking knows how to use bonegrafts which explain all the irregularities in his patient from his recent revolutionary method, “stairway genioplasty”.

I can’t comprehend how you can be a jaw surgeon and not have knowledge of the organ you directly want to affect to improve sleep apnea patients.

My reality is this now: Doing a revision as to where I tell my surgeon to do reorientation of my proximal segment to make the tongue pararell and also FUCKING advance it the same amount Ramieri chose to do set back.

You may wonder why I choose the us when I live in Europe: Ramieri decided to use biocortical screws as rigid fixation. No European surgeon wants to remove biocortical screws when the bone has healed, comes with too much of a risk.

After consulting 25 surgeons I finally found a surgeon that was willing and had experience from removing biocortical screws. He will also do my revision but at a high cost, 29 000$ for merely my underjaw. If I want to have a hospital night, the bill would be around 110 000$ so I’ve chosen not to.

Go straight to the hotel dizzy from the surgery and anaesthesia, living the dream.

I sincerely thank Ramieri and all the promoters of him, you’ve made this past 2 years a living hell but from now on it can only get better.

Irritating to be forced to use 55 000$ of your saving money in total to look the same.

Who do you recommend instead?

 

[Denkaren]

Arnett Gunson, he was one of few who had tongue knowledge as a jaw surgeon. Unfortunately he has retired, other than him I don’t know.

 

[mkj]

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you look way better. you were subhuman before with a lantern jaw and an underbite.

 

[tyler1234]

you look way better. you were subhuman before with a lantern jaw and an underbite.

That’s not me

 

[Denkaren]

you look way better. you were subhuman before with a lantern jaw and an underbite.

That isn’t me you tool

This is my before and after, first 2 before, last 2 after.

He didn’t correct any assymetry, he did things I didn’t agree of what so ever, cherry on top gave me breathing-problems.

I wanted to correct a crossbite, Ramieri messed me up.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

If ramieri and other 2 italians suck then where do i go for my reverse genio?