Ray Peat says avoiding sugar on high protein/fat diets can shut down Thyroid and slow metabolism

[Deleted member 2268]

Thoughts? What is the optimal amount of sugar consumption?


@JFLateating @softlysoftly @Arborist @Thomas DOM

 

[softlysoftly]

Thoughts? What is the optimal amount of sugar consumption?


@JFLateating @softlysoftly @Arborist @Thomas DOM

the body makes enough glucose that it needs by way of gluconeogenesis you don't need any additional sugar consumption and the carbs you may consume in your diet also eventually break down to glucose as well
so you are getting plenty of glucose both with and without exogenous glucose consumption

ray is confused and doesn't know what he is talking about

 

[LightSkinNoob]

the body makes enough glucose that it needs by way of gluconeogenesis you don't need any additional sugar consumption and the carbs you may consume in your diet also eventually break down to glucose as well
so you are getting plenty of glucose both with and without exogenous glucose consumption

ray is confused and doesn't know what he is talking about

Post physique bro, everything gymcel related you voice on.

Inb4 skinny fat natty

 

[Deleted member 23558]

ray peat is a crinkly old manlet who died at 86 even though he has been peating forever. Nigga lives in the best time in human history and choses to drink OJ and coca cola all day. He doesnt strike me as right in the head, his progesterone gave me man boobs and I was squirting milk yesterday when i pressed it by mistake. Fuck him and that fat fuck haidut

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Post physique bro, everything gymcel related you voice on.

Inb4 skinny fat natty

You look like a literal faggot imagine commenting on other ppl's physiques

 

[LightSkinNoob]

You look like a literal faggot imagine commenting on other ppl's physiques

The irony

 

[Deleted member 2268]

the body makes enough glucose that it needs by way of gluconeogenesis you don't need any additional sugar consumption and the carbs you may consume in your diet also eventually break down to glucose as well
so you are getting plenty of glucose both with and without exogenous glucose consumption

ray is confused and doesn't know what he is talking about

What are your thoughts on exogenous progesterone use for TRT users or for those inhibiting 5ar? Ray supports progesterone as well and I have had good results with running 20 mg per day on top of TRT.

 

[Dystopian]

What are your thoughts on exogenous progesterone use for TRT users or for those inhibiting 5ar? Ray supports progesterone as well and I have had good results with running 20 mg per day on top of TRT.

Is for anti aging

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Is for anti aging

There are many other benefits as well

Impact of progesterone on skin and hair in menopause - a comprehensive review - PubMed

In clinical practice, micronized progesterone (MP) is frequently recommended to treat signs and symptoms of skin and hair aging in menopausal women. The aim of this comprehensive review was to evaluate whether topically or systemically applied MP may effectively prevent or slow down signs of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Is for anti aging

I am running the most effective anti aging stack in the world

 

[gribsufer1]

ray peat was hired by companies to sell progesterone

 

[Dystopian]

I am running the most effective anti aging stack in the world

Elab

 

[Orc]

digestion varies a lot from person to person, some people do absolutely fine on low sugar diets, others function poorly, you can't outright state that x causes y problem because it's variable enough that it won't be applicable to the majority of people no matter what the x or the y is.

there's no specific diet that works for all people.

there's no specific ingredient that all people should avoid, some groups have insanely high salt consumption and it doesn't impact them at all.

some have high fat consumption but no increased risk of any of the problems associated with it.

and don't fall for 'blue zone' propaganda, all of it is bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 2268]

ray peat is a crinkly old manlet who died at 86 even though he has been peating forever. Nigga lives in the best time in human history and choses to drink OJ and coca cola all day. He doesnt strike me as right in the head, his progesterone gave me man boobs and I was squirting milk yesterday when i pressed it by mistake. Fuck him and that fat fuck haidut

Im not sure why he is so popular I dont agree with consuming sugar either

 

[softlysoftly]

Post physique bro, everything gymcel related you voice on.

Inb4 skinny fat natty

I was tagged my body has nothing to do with my knowledge on human nutrition that just comes down to research and taking classes and time to study and im not natty

What are your thoughts on exogenous progesterone use for TRT users or for those inhibiting 5ar? Ray supports progesterone as well and I have had good results with running 20 mg per day on top of TRT.

if it works well for you do it

 

[softlysoftly]

digestion varies a lot from person to person, some people do absolutely fine on low sugar diets, others function poorly, you can't outright state that x causes y problem because it's variable enough that it won't be applicable to the majority of people no matter what the x or the y is.

there's no specific diet that works for all people.

there's no specific ingredient that all people should avoid, some groups have insanely high salt consumption and it doesn't impact them at all.

some have high fat consumption but no increased risk of any of the problems associated with it.

and don't fall for 'blue zone' propaganda, all of it is bullshit.

this is a great example of saying a great deal of ultimately nothing
you are in no way qualified to speak on human nutrition and diet whatsoever, stop it right now

 

[Gandy]

digestion varies a lot from person to person, some people do absolutely fine on low sugar diets, others function poorly, you can't outright state that x causes y problem because it's variable enough that it won't be applicable to the majority of people no matter what the x or the y is.

there's no specific diet that works for all people.

there's no specific ingredient that all people should avoid, some groups have insanely high salt consumption and it doesn't impact them at all.

some have high fat consumption but no increased risk of any of the problems associated with it.

and don't fall for 'blue zone' propaganda, all of it is bullshit.

This. I lose body fat great on super low carb high protein high fat (only carbs come from vegetables),
but I can't lift weights with zero sugar and carbs, even while cutting.

My mental function and strength gets fucked during lifting days if I don't eat glucose. My body doesn't produce enough of it through ketosis.

 

[Orc]

you are in no way qualified to speak on human nutrition and diet whatsoever, stop it right now

you won't even post body.

 

[Deleted member 2268]

This. I lose body fat great on super low carb high protein high fat (only carbs come from vegetables),
but I can't lift weights with zero sugar and carbs, even while cutting.

My mental function and strength gets fucked during lifting days if I don't eat glucose. My body doesn't produce enough of it through ketosis.

Yeah I need to eat carbs preworkout. Very hard to have good performance on Keto or carnivore they are trash diets

 

[Dbeyduvudhs]

My grandma is in her late 80s and works a full time job 9-5

I’ll ask her for diet and nutrition advice not ray peat

 

[Cristiano88]

This. I lose body fat great on super low carb high protein high fat (only carbs come from vegetables),
but I can't lift weights with zero sugar and carbs, even while cutting.

My mental function and strength gets fucked during lifting days if I don't eat glucose. My body doesn't produce enough of it through ketosis.

Ketosis does not produce glucose. It produces ketones. I am sure you know this but you probably were writing in a hurry. I've seen other posts from you on the topic and you know what you say.
I think you wanted to say that your body does not produce enough glucose through gluconeogenesis. It is a posibility and something keto/carnivore evanghelists never talk about. People on keto/carnivore behave like they are in a cult. It's crazy effective for looking leaner but that doesn't mean it does not have it's drawbacks.

Regarding the initial claim, that a low carb diet slows down the thyroid, it's hard to say. It slightly raises T4 and lowers T3, this is what i read and also what i noticed my self, in my own lab results. But i do not feel at all more tired on low carb than i did on high carb. The only difficult part was the accomodation phase.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

ray peat is a crinkly old manlet who died at 86 even though he has been peating forever. Nigga lives in the best time in human history and choses to drink OJ and coca cola all day. He doesnt strike me as right in the head, his progesterone gave me man boobs and I was squirting milk yesterday when i pressed it by mistake. Fuck him and that fat fuck haidut

@Shieda_Kayn

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Meanwhile Jason Fungs book shows how every other day fasting and intermittent fasting hardly slow metabolism (thyroid)
WHILE
Regular deficit does

So thyroid death in absense of sugar is kind of dumb

That being said I think fruit honey certain vegetables and milk are better than other carbs, easier to digest and use them for energy and nutrients unlike rice and stuff

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Yeah I need to eat carbs preworkout. Very hard to have good performance on Keto or carnivore they are trash diets

Only advantage is you shed so much water on very low carb and look so much leaner in like 3 days
Then muscles are totally flat workouts kind of suck etc it’s not healthy

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Im not sure why he is so popular I dont agree with consuming sugar either

ray peat is a crinkly old manlet who died at 86 even though he has been peating forever. Nigga lives in the best time in human history and choses to drink OJ and coca cola all day. He doesnt strike me as right in the head, his progesterone gave me man boobs and I was squirting milk yesterday when i pressed it by mistake. Fuck him and that fat fuck haidut

Mainly for being big on sharing dangers of PUFAs seed oils and stuff among other things
Also big on saying hypothyroid is under diagnosed which he makes a solid case for
His diet is pretty good imo but kind of fell for red meat meme I think

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Mainly for being big on sharing dangers of PUFAs seed oils and stuff among other things
Also big on saying hypothyroid is under diagnosed which he makes a solid case for
His diet is pretty good imo but kind of fell for red meat meme I think

Thoughts on consuming coffee with milk and sugar for improved metabolism, glucose, and calcium?

 

[Gandy]

Ketosis does not produce glucose. It produces ketones. I am sure you know this but you probably were writing in a hurry. I've seen other posts from you on the topic and you know what you say.
I think you wanted to say that your body does not produce enough glucose through gluconeogenesis. It is a posibility and something keto/carnivore evanghelists never talk about. People on keto/carnivore behave like they are in a cult. It's crazy effective for looking leaner but that doesn't mean it does not have it's drawbacks.

Regarding the initial claim, that a low carb diet slows down the thyroid, it's hard to say. It slightly raises T4 and lowers T3, this is what i read and also what i noticed my self, in my own lab results. But i do not feel at all more tired on low carb than i did on high carb. The only difficult part was the accomodation phase.

Yes, I meant indirectly through gluconeogenesis (while doing a full keto diet where you get no dietary glucose at all). My bad.

 

[zharupodrugu]

I am running the most effective anti aging stack in the world

how do you know that? U not even 30.

 

[Deleted member 2268]

how do you know that? U not even 30.

Scientifically and on paper it addresses everything and I've gotten results in a few months

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Mainly for being big on sharing dangers of PUFAs seed oils and stuff among other things
Also big on saying hypothyroid is under diagnosed which he makes a solid case for
His diet is pretty good imo but kind of fell for red meat meme I think

He doesn’t advocate red meat

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Thoughts on consuming coffee with milk and sugar for improved metabolism, glucose, and calcium?

Ok try and find the studies since im going from memory, but I think caffeine burns an extra 50-100ish calories per day
The milk and sugar I wouldn’t put in it

Milk I have separately because it spiked IGF and GH and stuff so it could be good for fat

 

[Deleted member 22639]

He doesn’t advocate red meat

Exactly

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Ok try and find the studies since im going from memory, but I think caffeine burns an extra 50-100ish calories per day
The milk and sugar I wouldn’t put in it

Milk I have separately because it spiked IGF and GH and stuff so it could be good for fat

What dose of caffeine burns 100 calories? Is it incremental with higher doses?

 

[Deleted member 20704]

All gymcels have slow metabolisms by default anyways, which is why many end up needing T3/thyroid/roids/etc. to give them a boost.

Oh wait.....

 

[Deleted member 22639]

All gymcels have slow metabolisms by default anyways, which is why many end up needing T3/thyroid/roids/etc. to give them a boost.

Oh wait.....

Lol meanwhile burning more calories and working put upregulates metabolism over time and this is only true for those demolishing themselves not enough recovery and so much cortisol that they screw metabolism
What a retarded comment

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Lol meanwhile burning more calories and working put upregulates metabolism over time and this is only true for those demolishing themselves not enough recovery and so much cortisol that they screw metabolism
What a retarded comment

That guy is a retard, add to ignore list

 

[softlysoftly]

I think you wanted to say that your body does not produce enough glucose through gluconeogenesis.

It does but only for what you need. Bare minimum =/= optimal

This. I lose body fat great on super low carb high protein high fat (only carbs come from vegetables),
but I can't lift weights with zero sugar and carbs, even while cutting.

were you properly fat adapted? or just switched diets in a days time
I think this is where the keto and carnivore crowd goes wrong, it is correct that our body produces enough glucose via gluconeogenesis for bodily function but is it optimal especially for athletes is the question, I think carbs in this case can be beneficial for them

 

[Deleted member 22639]

It does but only for what you need. Bare minimum =/= optimal

were you properly fat adapted? or just switched diets in a days time
I think this is where the keto and carnivore crowd goes wrong, it is correct that our body produces enough glucose via gluconeogenesis for bodily function but is it optimal especially for athletes is the question, I think carbs in this case can be beneficial for them

Yeah you can survive but data shows it’s worse for athletics

 

[Deleted member 23399]

@Shieda_Kayn

Yeah you can survive but data shows it’s worse for athletics

I caught the flu on purpose so my resting body temp went up 2 degrees. Fuarkkkkk my body feels like a furnace with all that metabolism it must be doing!!

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

digestion varies a lot from person to person, some people do absolutely fine on low sugar diets, others function poorly, you can't outright state that x causes y problem because it's variable enough that it won't be applicable to the majority of people no matter what the x or the y is.

there's no specific diet that works for all people.

there's no specific ingredient that all people should avoid, some groups have insanely high salt consumption and it doesn't impact them at all.

some have high fat consumption but no increased risk of any of the problems associated with it.

and don't fall for 'blue zone' propaganda, all of it is bullshit.

well when you speak about nutrition you obviously mean white men's nutrition which is more correct to say things about in general

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Thoughts on consuming coffee with milk and sugar for improved metabolism, glucose, and calcium?

I love that, I drink three lattes a day

 

[Orc]

well when you speak about nutrition you obviously mean white men's nutrition which is more correct to say things about in general

not even white, there's variance within european populations themselves, some digest carbs far better than others, some process fat extremely well.

by the way, for relevance:

Supercentenarians and the oldest-old are concentrated into regions with no birth certificates and short lifespans

The observation of individuals attaining remarkable ages, and their concentration into geographic sub-regions or ‘blue zones’, has generated considerable scientific interest. Proposed drivers of remarkable longevity include high vegetable intake, strong social connections, and genetic markers...

www.biorxiv.org

a lot of current diet strats are based on these zones, the reality is that it's a fraud.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

not even white, there's variance within european populations themselves, some digest carbs far better than others, some process fat extremely well.

by the way, for relevance:

Supercentenarians and the oldest-old are concentrated into regions with no birth certificates and short lifespans

The observation of individuals attaining remarkable ages, and their concentration into geographic sub-regions or ‘blue zones’, has generated considerable scientific interest. Proposed drivers of remarkable longevity include high vegetable intake, strong social connections, and genetic markers...

www.biorxiv.org

a lot of current diet strats are based on these zones, the reality is that it's a fraud.

the problem with that stuff is that they look turbo Deadge at 110 so like wtf are people trying to emulate? if they looked 70 at 110 we could be talking

 

[Orc]

the problem with that stuff is that they look turbo Deadge at 110 so like wtf are people trying to emulate? if they looked 70 at 110 we could be talking

they aren't 110, they're just senile people without birth certificates that lie about their age according to that study.

 

[SteveRogers]

Scientifically and on paper it addresses everything and I've gotten results in a few months

Surely you’re infertile by now.
From what I’ve seen, the stack is elite, however, I can guarantee your balls are the size of a chia seed.
No point is aging well, looking good, having muscle etc. if you can’t even reproduce.
Just do all of this after you’ve had 3-6 kids?
I’m guessing you’re mid 20s, around this age, the female hips ossify, indicating that their child bearing years have just about come to a close.
Obviously, you can be 35 and have a 22 year old fertile female to bear your children, still, it’s something to note.
Also, never reproduce with a woman who has ever used any form of birth control, not only is she definitely a whore, but she’s ruined her reproductive system for life, yes, she can, in most cases, still have kids, but they will never develop in the way that likely you and I have, in the absence of mothers who used birth control.
One of my friends has had 6 miscarriages, she’s only 24 but used birth control from 13 to 21.

 

[ItsOverCel]

He is right. Low carb indeed slows down metabolism

 

[SwissArms]

What the fuck does he know? He followed his meme died for decades and still died at 86.

 

[Kama]

Carnivore lowers TSH as well, which means you don't need as much T3 & T4. If only T3&T4 were low and TSH was high, you should be concerned that your thyroid is underperforming or not responding, but if all TSH, T3 &T4 are low and you don't have any symptoms of hypothyroid like weight gain, feeling cold, lethargy, depression etc, that means your body has become more efficient at using what T3&T4 it has doesn't need as much to respond the same. My hypothesis is that hyperinsulinism in high carb diets causing higher conversion of T4 to T3 and T3 in turn causes insulin resistance (negative feedback loop), and high fructose causes liver to go into overstimulated & anti-inflammation mode and thus go into hyper T3 mode to cause insulin resistant. Lower inflammation and lower insulin in lchf keto or carnivore avoid all this mess and thus you need less T3.

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Surely you’re infertile by now.
From what I’ve seen, the stack is elite, however, I can guarantee your balls are the size of a chia seed.
No point is aging well, looking good, having muscle etc. if you can’t even reproduce.
Just do all of this after you’ve had 3-6 kids?
I’m guessing you’re mid 20s, around this age, the female hips ossify, indicating that their child bearing years have just about come to a close.
Obviously, you can be 35 and have a 22 year old fertile female to bear your children, still, it’s something to note.
Also, never reproduce with a woman who has ever used any form of birth control, not only is she definitely a whore, but she’s ruined her reproductive system for life, yes, she can, in most cases, still have kids, but they will never develop in the way that likely you and I have, in the absence of mothers who used birth control.
One of my friends has had 6 miscarriages, she’s only 24 but used birth control from 13 to 21.

You don’t know my stack