Reason why you have any assymetry

[lurking truecel]

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

 

[CookieGuy]

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I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry out there.

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

love the thread, very informative and relatable! Also guy on the bottom picture with the Potato chips ears is such a Chad

 

[lurking truecel]

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love the thread, very informative and relatable! Also guy on the bottom picture with the Potato chips ears is such a Chad

True I mean most people have this to some degree but it's just about how much really

 

[lurking truecel]

Bump

 

[lurking truecel]

Bump

 

[PunchMagnet]

I think you're spot on with this theory dude. I noticed almost everything you said applies to myself, too. I have a slight crossbite, my ramus and gonial angle is significantly more prominent on my right side, my nose is crooked, my chin and jaw are imbalanced, and I have tmj problems on my left side. Very relatable.

 

[moze]

This is cranial torsion it is caused by uneven bite or other body asymmetries

 

[lurking truecel]

This is cranial torsion it is caused by uneven bite or other body asymmetries

I mean yes it is a bite and sphenoid problem as I wrote

 

[Deleted member 71543]

Thank you for diagnosing me doctor

 

[smallgromp123]

High iQ thread. And I think you're completely right. I too came to some of these conclusions after analyzing my own face. It all makes sense.


I know it's case dependent but generally:
What do you think is the best way of correcting this?
MSE then Djs or Segmental LF1/2 (widening during surgery basically)+BSSO

Additionally, do you think doing something about the joint is necessary? Or will it sort itself out after Djs?

Also, do you think this, on average, a crossbite is an easier to fix than an overbite or an underbite?

Lastly, if it's a sphenoid problem. Do you think the sphenoid bone adapts to the forces after the patient has had their Jaws corrected through Djs?

 

[lurking truecel]

High iQ thread. And I think you're completely right. I too came to some of these conclusions after analyzing my own face. It all makes sense.


I know it's case dependent but generally:
What do you think is the best way of correcting this?
MSE then Djs or Segmental LF1/2 (widening during surgery basically)+BSSO

Additionally, do you think doing something about the joint is necessary? Or will it sort itself out after Djs?

Also, do you think this, on average, a crossbite is an easier to fix than an overbite or an underbite?

Lastly, if it's a sphenoid problem. Do you think the sphenoid bone adapts to the forces after the patient has had their Jaws corrected through Djs?

I think its depends on the case as you say, what are your plans?

 

[GlamGuru]

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

So what's the fix? and is it even fixable once past puberty and bone already done growing?

I have this same thing, and I think your theory is correct. In fact, mine is quite severe due to some trauma as a kid where my shoulders were slanted and developed scoliosis from heavy backpack, my face went from symmetrical to as severely asymmetric as something like hemifacial microsomia afterwards, maybe even it is. My eyes and cheekbone and other features became asymmetric as well.

 

[FloppaFlops]

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

I suffer from this shit. my left left chin is the same like the guy with the full hair just a bit more even. same with my nose but my eyes are fine. would I need an implant for the other side of the chin or is it better to remove the bone on the more developed side? or does it depend on the chin to mouth ratio?

Also I checked pics from me when I was like 4 - 10 years old and I might be bugging but I think on my case it's genetics or like the maxilla itself which was just more developed on one side at birth but idk

 

[lurking truecel]

I suffer from this shit. my left left chin is the same like the guy with the full hair just a bit more even. same with my nose but my eyes are fine. would I need an implant for the other side of the chin or is it better to remove the bone on the more developed side? or does it depend on the chin to mouth ratio?

Also I checked pics from me when I was like 4 - 10 years old and I might be bugging but I think on my case it's genetics or like the maxilla itself which was just more developed on one side at birth but idk

I mean most of the jaw related problems occur when the growth of the mandible are the highest which is the first two year of life. And then It continues to be high untill 11 after that 90% of the growth is done so most problems cole from the first five years but can be fixed kinda a eazy until 11.

You can fix it with genio or chin implant

 

[Yeagerist]

What can you do about this? i have pretty much everything you described.

 

[GlamGuru]

High IQ Bobby Fischer fan

 

[lurking truecel]

What can you do about this? i have pretty much everything you described.

I mean its fairly common and its probably not that noticeable, try to fix the bite of you have crossbite. Else ypu could do surgery to fix or just live with it because its probably not to big of a deal

 

[xombie]

i want to fix my cross bite but im afraid that if i get braces or something it will recess me.
is it true that braces can recede you?

 

[lurking truecel]

i want to fix my cross bite but im afraid that if i get braces or something it will recess me.
is it true that braces can recede you?

No its not true

 

[Deleted member 65279]

I started to notice many people have one eye higher than the other. And it’s always the right one that’s higher

 

[Manfrommars]

C

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

Completely agree, the longer mandible look on the worse side is probably from the illusion that a bigger jaw angle that the downward growth causes on that side, people with this kind of asymmetry can only look good if both sides looks good separately, I think those with softer features are likely to look a lot worse due to the weaker side being even more pronounced

 

[papidaddy]

So what's the fix? and is it even fixable once past puberty and bone already done growing?

I have this same thing, and I think your theory is correct. In fact, mine is quite severe due to some trauma as a kid where my shoulders were slanted and developed scoliosis from heavy backpack, my face went from symmetrical to as severely asymmetric as something like hemifacial microsomia afterwards, maybe even it is. My eyes and cheekbone and other features became asymmetric as well.

Well, my dentist told me that the solution is braces and then surgery, but for now I'm just looking for a solution for the more developed side, like reducing the size of the masseter muscle so that the more developed side doesn't look so bloated, because its supposed this is all a skeletal problem. You could try unilateral thumb pulling; I think the maxilla has something to do with it.

 

[BROWNINCEL]

Thanks for the thread it seems like i have the exact same issue

 

[LTNUser]

Thanks for the thread it seems like i have the exact same issue

Damn,seems like a huge no. Of people have asymmetry problem

 

[King_Schnitzel]

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

I got jaw and eye assmetry and my bite is fine.
Sphenoid then?
What surgery would fix both?

 

[lurking truecel]

I got jaw and eye assmetry and my bite is fine.
Sphenoid then?
What surgery would fix both?

I mean if its sphenoid its should be spine related. Some posture issue maybe, scoliosis or some sort

 

[King_Schnitzel]

I mean if its sphenoid its should be spine related. Some posture issue maybe, scoliosis or some sort

Classmates said I look like I have Scoliosis, doctor said I don't.
My posture is really straight and stuff so people even make fun of me for that.

 

[lurking truecel]

Classmates said I look like I have Scoliosis, doctor said I don't.
My posture is really straight and stuff so people even make fun of me for that.

I mean its hard to say, you would need a ct to tell exactly

 

[King_Schnitzel]

I mean its hard to say, you would need a ct to tell exactly

How do I get one as medically necessary?

 

[LEFORT17]

How do I get one as medically necessary?

break your jaw/chin

 

[King_Schnitzel]

break your jaw/chin

I genuiely got breathing issues. I need to show off symptoms though. Just "not being able to breathe" and maybe saying that I got a narrow pallate isn't enough.

 

[LEFORT17]

I genuiely got breathing issues. I need to show off symptoms though. Just "not being able to breathe" and maybe saying that I got a narrow pallate isn't enough.

i mean either you got a narrow pallate or not. i dont even know i had one, until my surgeon told me. 3p lf1 coming in clutch

 

[churmaxxed]

I have seen it many times and i have it too, its the most common assymetry pattern out there.(Maybe the only one if not an open bite or sum shit)

My hypothesis is that it is created by a crossbite, it could also be scholiosis or sphenoid bone issue. but the pattern is allways kinda the same and i have seen it on many ct:s including mine and the pattern is the same all the time.

View attachment 3383111View attachment 3383113
this is best illustrated with a ct scan but i dont have any that i want to show but i have seen it on 5+ diffrent ct scans including my own, and i am confident this is the pattern.

We will use vinnie hacker as example because he has this issue, and its kinda clear even tho his masseters and overall features compensates. but its a good example and we know most people rather watch good looking people which is why this example is good too.

We will call the side with the shorter ramus the weaker side(even tho its not in some way, but it appears this way)

-shorter ramus on the weaker side

shorter ramus and also the ears allways seem to sit lower on this side also, is this beacause of the shorter ramus or because they posture their head this way to compensate, maybe this is one of the causes. sphenoid bone may play apart here

-longer mandible body on the weaker side

yes the mandible body is usually longer on this side but this actually make kinda sense, because the mass on both sides are the SAME. But the mass is distributed differently so that is why one side get more ramus but shorter mandible body and vice versa.

-slight negative canthal tilt on the weaker side

Yes, this is beacause the zygoma and orbital drops on this side, this will make more sense when you see the crossbite pic below.

-lower set zygos overall

same reason as above

-chin becomes assymetrical to mostly because usually bends downwards to the not weaker side

Goes hand in hand with the longer ramus and shorter mandible body and vice versa.


But now you may ask and many probably already know and have their own hypohesis why this problem occur, one of the clear reasons is that you have a crossbite, or a slanted maxilla.

View attachment 3383138

When you bite together with a crossbite the teeth on the right side(this depends on the case in this case right side) will go together first, this will create both bone diffrences and also a stronger masseter on this side. and will also make the left side of the mandible slide more to the right side creating tmj problems (condylar resorbtion) on the weaker side if not careful.

here is another bad pic i tried to make to illustrate it, its just common sense really( i am really bad at paiting)

View attachment 3383153


end of thread, i mean this type of assymetry is extremly common, i could prove this exact assymetry pattern with multiples ct etc. and also some people with this dont get the eye and zygo assymetry and i dont know the reason, could be if the jaw is slanted and not crossbited only the jaw will shift.

View attachment 3383159this is a extremly slanted maxilla, and i dont think this affect the eyes that much as a crossbite will.

honorble mentions of famous people who have it i think:

View attachment 3383155View attachment 3383158

i have exactly same problem tilted jaw strong left masseter and tmj

 

[yussimania]

This is great it makes sense as to why im so ugly LOL

 

[King_Schnitzel]

i mean either you got a narrow pallate or not. i dont even know i had one, until my surgeon told me. 3p lf1 coming in clutch

As said, I just know I got breathing issues.
My pallate seems rather narrow, I could show you a picture.
I believe MSE would lead to more cheekbone and zygo visbility as I currently got none.

 

[LEFORT17]

As said, I just know I got breathing issues.
My pallate seems rather narrow, I could show you a picture.
I believe MSE would lead to more cheekbone and zygo visbility as I currently got none.

if u dont show recession i would go for MSE. if u have recessed jaws and a narrow palate and want it in one go-> bimax with segmental lf1. if its deathtier narrow-> sarpe/mse into bimax

 

[King_Schnitzel]

if u dont show recession i would go for MSE. if u have recessed jaws and a narrow palate and want it in one go-> bimax with segmental lf1. if its deathtier narrow-> sarpe/mse into bimax

My lower third is hella recessed.
I'm only 16.5, always been underdeveloped though.
Unless I got it deemed as medically necessary I won't be able to get it, firstly as for the financial part and secondly as I would have no option to get support in the sense of changing my diet because of the aftermath.

I could show you pics in PMs.

 

[churmaxxed]

i always thought i had normal bite but i discovered i have very small crossbite

 

[BROWNINCEL]

if u dont show recession i would go for MSE. if u have recessed jaws and a narrow palate and want it in one go-> bimax with segmental lf1. if its deathtier narrow-> sarpe/mse into bimax

U can get all of that at once ? Sarpe/mse into bimax?

 

[BROWNINCEL]

i mean either you got a narrow pallate or not. i dont even know i had one, until my surgeon told me. 3p lf1 coming in clutch

Even if i had one my doc will not tell me

 

[BROWNINCEL]

Well, my dentist told me that the solution is braces and then surgery, but for now I'm just looking for a solution for the more developed side, like reducing the size of the masseter muscle so that the more developed side doesn't look so bloated, because its supposed this is all a skeletal problem. You could try unilateral thumb pulling; I think the maxilla has something to do with it.

lol i went to dentist and he told me that i have overbite he didn't mentioned abt the cross bite but seems like i also have this he also told me abt the braces but I don't know if that make me more recessed or sumthin but he didn't mentioned abt the surgeries ,i need surgeries man my chin is so fuckin short the chin to philtrum ratio is fucked and my lower third looks extremely short due to this but this doc won't give me surgery i will have to visit someone else

 

[papidaddy]

I got jaw and eye assmetry and my bite is fine.
Sphenoid then?
What surgery would fix both?

It isnt sphenoid assymetry gang, your jaw assymetry corelates with sphenoid making it assymetry, its one side of your face being larger than the other thats why one eye is lower than the other, if you want to check it by yourself go with a maxilo or a dentist, they will tell you what type of studies your need to make (prob like a few scans or sum) and you will see if you have a bone assymetry sorry for bad english i hope you understood if not just let me know

 

[papidaddy]

lol i went to dentist and he told me that i have overbite he didn't mentioned abt the cross bite but seems like i also have this he also told me abt the braces but I don't know if that make me more recessed or sumthin but he didn't mentioned abt the surgeries ,i need surgeries man my chin is so fuckin short the chin to philtrum ratio is fucked and my lower third looks extremely short due to this but this doc won't give me surgery i will have to visit someone else

for surgery first you have to get braces for what ive heard