Reversing pre molar extractions

[ronluk]

Hey as many of you here I am a victim of isreals greatest invention. Pre molar extraction/camouflage orthodontics.
After removing braces I noticed a smile that’s deeper in my face. Less tooth show uglier face and worsen symmetry alongside tmj on my right side. Now I don’t give a shit about health. I’m purely interested in restoring aesthetics. I’ve heard that bimax is gonna help but is it really? Then I’ve seen people who get braces again to create the space back and get premolar implants. Also seen people who do filler/implants. Obviously every case is different but I’m not really recessed and I have a convex profile which means my maxilla is projected al though my mandible is weak

 

[ronluk]

Ct scan for reference

 

[_Lucius]

Your mandible is recessed and your airway oropharynx cross section looks very small. Just imagine when you relax and lay down, your tongue goes back and blocks your airway even more.

Get a sleep study (preferably type 1 or 2, type 3 is bad) and consult a maxillofacial surgeon

 

[ronluk]

Your mandible is recessed and your airway oropharynx cross section looks very small. Just imagine when you relax and lay down, your tongue goes back and blocks your airway even more.

Get a sleep study (preferably type 1 or 2, type 3 is bad) and consult a maxillofacial surgeon

Yes I know. I already been too a famous surgeon here but the price was too ridiculous. And he wanted to make my midface longer which is already long. Therefore I’m going with another surgeon.

 

[geenk worg]

The philtrum seems quite tall in the ct which may explain why your teeth show less. You have room for advancement in both jaws

 

[ronluk]

The philtrum seems quite tall in the ct which may explain why your teeth show less. You have room for advancement in both jaws

Do I need decompression. I didn’t have an overbite before I started braces I just had crooked teeth

 

[marus]

Do I need decompression. I didn’t have an overbite before I started braces I just had crooked teeth

I also removed 2 molars bro and I have an overbite I gotta get braces

 

[geenk worg]

Do I need decompression. I didn’t have an overbite before I started braces I just had crooked teeth

Yes. Your lower front teeth are inclined forward

 

[ronluk]

Yes. Your lower front teeth are inclined forward
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Thank you

 

[ronluk]

Yes. Your lower front teeth are inclined forward
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One more thing. Would you say my case is complicated enough to require a really safe western surgeon. Or can I get away with a random Serbian jaw surgeon. In geniunly considering going to Serbia because I have connections there

 

[geenk worg]

One more thing. Would you say my case is complicated enough to require a really safe western surgeon. Or can I get away with a random Serbian jaw surgeon. In geniunly considering going to Serbia because I have connections there

I don't know much about serbian surgeons

 

[2022decemberchico]

What makes u say isrls greatest invention

 

[ronluk]

What makes u say isrls greatest invention

Because premolar extractions literally remove 2-3 psl on average. One extraction is enough to cause assymetry. Give you flatter zygos longer face smaller lips worse philtrum. As well as narrower midface and jaw. Alongside recession. If you get 4 you are practically malformed. It causes not only aesthetic issues but down the line in 20 years you will be hit with airway issues as well such as sleep apnea and TMJ as well as bone resoprtion which means your jaw keeps getting smaller years after the extractions. A bimax can never reverse 100% of the damage but even getting back 40% of natural beauty would be enough to put me on htn+ so all is not lost. I’m also thankful to not be LTN with all the failos premolar extractions have caused

 

[2022decemberchico]

Your mandible is recessed and your airway oropharynx cross section looks very small. Just imagine when you relax and lay down, your tongue goes back and blocks your airway even more.

Get a sleep study (preferably type 1 or 2, type 3 is bad) and consult a maxillofacial surgeon

Because premolar extractions literally remove 2-3 psl on average. One extraction is enough to cause assymetry. Give you flatter zygos longer face smaller lips worse philtrum. As well as narrower midface and jaw. Alongside recession. If you get 4 you are practically malformed. It causes not only aesthetic issues but down the line in 20 years you will be hit with airway issues as well such as sleep apnea and TMJ as well as bone resoprtion which means your jaw keeps getting smaller years after the extractions. A bimax can never reverse 100% of the damage but even getting back 40% of natural beauty would be enough to put me on htn+ so all is not lost. I’m also thankful to not be LTN with all the failos premolar extractions have caused

Yea I know that but I’m saying was it invented by isrl orthodontist ?
I had two lower premolars removed, and the original plan was to close the gaps with braces. I ended up not continuing that treatment, so the spaces were left open to avoid pushing my teeth back.





Now, after about 2–3 years, I’ve noticed the spaces are uneven. On the right side—where I sleep and chew the most—the gap has almost closed on its own, possibly helped by my wisdom teeth coming in. On the left side, which I don’t use as much, there’s still a fairly large gap.





Because of that, I’m considering a bone graft and dental implant on the left side instead of trying to close the space and move the second premolar.

 

[ronluk]

Yea I know that but I’m saying was it invented by isrl orthodontist ?
I had two lower premolars removed, and the original plan was to close the gaps with braces. I ended up not continuing that treatment, so the spaces were left open to avoid pushing my teeth back.





Now, after about 2–3 years, I’ve noticed the spaces are uneven. On the right side—where I sleep and chew the most—the gap has almost closed on its own, possibly helped by my wisdom teeth coming in. On the left side, which I don’t use as much, there’s still a fairly large gap.





Because of that, I’m considering a bone graft and dental implant on the left side instead of trying to close the space and move the second premolar.

yes that’s the optimal thing to do now. You are risking bone resorption the longer you wait. You are lucky though most of the damage comes from additional braces moving and closing the hole. Premolar extraction by itself doesn’t itself do too much damage. Get braces to open that space again and get those implants.

But to answer your question pre molar extraction was probably not invented by Jews it’s just a cope I use

 

[lurking truecel]

yes that’s the optimal thing to do now. You are risking bone resorption the longer you wait. You are lucky though most of the damage comes from additional braces moving and closing the hole. Premolar extraction by itself doesn’t itself do too much damage. Get braces to open that space again and get those implants.

But to answer your question pre molar extraction was probably not invented by Jews it’s just a cope I use

Additional braces saves and stops the degradation. Its when you remove the teeth and have a empty crater that you get bone resorption in the alveolar bone. When you have teeth straight on the bone its decent. But sure if you transplanted new teeths there in the gaps when older you could gain prefferable bite. But i dont know if it would be better, since you woulnt be able to tranplant in to growing bones without issues. So the time it would take with the gap would cause more damage

 

[2022decemberchico]

Additional braces saves and stops the degradation. Its when you remove the teeth and have an empty crater that you get bone resorption in the alveolar bone. When you have teeth straight on the bone its decent. But sure if you transplanted new teeths there in the gaps when older you could gain prefferable bite. But i dont know if it would be better, since you woulnt be able to tranplant in to growing bones without issues. So the time it would take with the gap would cause more damage

There has been open gaps for 2-3 years now and when I went into the ortho a year or so ago he said the bone resorption damage was already done (not true). Now The right side gap has almost naturally closed from my wisdom teeth coming in and being the side I chew on mostly .

The left side still has a large empty gap.. I’m thinking of bone graft if necessary if the implants have no bone to attach to.

I have seen severe severe recession in my lower jaw from them pulling out my second premolar on either side and I’m hoping it’s fixable.

 

[2022decemberchico]

I left the premolar gaps open instead of closing them with braces and am now dealing with the bone reporting now. Also have seen an extremely sunken in lower face look.
But hoping since I didn’t completely shrink my palate by closing the gaps I can reverse it by implanting a tooth where the gaps are…

 

[lurking truecel]

There has been open gaps for 2-3 years now and when I went into the ortho a year or so ago he said the bone resorption damage was already done (not true). Now The right side gap has almost naturally closed from my wisdom teeth coming in and being the side I chew on mostly .

The left side still has a large empty gap.. I’m thinking of bone graft if necessary if the implants have no bone to attach to.

I have seen severe severe recession in my lower jaw from them pulling out my second premolar on either side and I’m hoping it’s fixable.

You dont get more recessed from premolar. But if you live with gaps you will have bite issues and uneven mechanical stress that can cause new resorbition and worse resorbtion. Having a alligned bite evenly across the mandible is what creates proper bone remodelling that occurs all the time esp under 20. Pre molar will resorb some alveolar bone so you can loose bone in the maxilla. And when you drag teeth back to allign bite you can loose lip support. But thats not bone but teeth

 

[lurking truecel]

I left the premolar gaps open instead of closing them with braces and am now dealing with the bone reporting now. Also have seen an extremely sunken in lower face look.
But hoping since I didn’t completely shrink my palate by closing the gaps I can reverse it by implanting a tooth where the gaps are…

bone loss speed run

 

[ronluk]

Additional braces saves and stops the degradation. Its when you remove the teeth and have a empty crater that you get bone resorption in the alveolar bone. When you have teeth straight on the bone its decent. But sure if you transplanted new teeths there in the gaps when older you could gain prefferable bite. But i dont know if it would be better, since you woulnt be able to tranplant in to growing bones without issues. So the time it would take with the gap would cause more damage

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