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tomahawk said:
if a being is all knowing that knowledge includes the conscience of being all-Knowing
there is no regress here
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there is a regress, he needs to be conscious of conscious of being all-knowing and it's ad infinitum
tomahawk said:
i find the Aristotle's ideas of movement weird, too wanky at times. thats probably the one thing beside hard translations that holds me back from reading Metaphysics on no cooldown
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it's not wanky. it's pure logic
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tomahawk said:
youre missing something, since god is Infinitely capable that "infinite" regress will forever be lesser than God's conscience and power
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it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge
 
theRetard said:
it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge
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some infinities are greater than others, sure the claim that the regress is uncountably infinite is viable but God will always be more Infinite than anything by definition
 
theRetard said:
it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge
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youre basically calling God an algorithm, a program
 
tomahawk said:
some infinities are greater than others, sure the claim that the regress is uncountably infinite is viable but God will always be more Infinite than anything by definition
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there can only be one infinite because it already infinitely includes other infinities. so god cannot be more infinite than infinity because infinity already includes god's infiniteness
tomahawk said:
youre basically calling God an algorithm, a program
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kinda. it's like the universal good for every substance that exists
 
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theRetard said:
there can only be one infinite because it already infinitely includes other infinities. so god cannot be more infinite than infinity because infinity already includes god's infiniteness

kinda. it's like the universal good for every substance that exists
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if God is greater than everything by definition his attributes are so too
 
theRetard said:
godel barely changed something in logic, it's more applicable in science not metaphysics nor theology
and if we shouldn't use logic for god then he's illogical, if he's illogical then he cannot be an objective truth cuz truth is a thing that comes from logic
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logic is lesser than God since God is the Creator of all and the Owner of all, He is above everything, He is not illogical He is above logic, and he may alter it to be anything
 
tomahawk said:
if God is greater than everything by definition his attributes are so too
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tomahawk said:
logic is lesser than God since God is the Creator of all and the Owner of all, He is above everything, He is not illogical He is above logic, and he may alter it to be anything
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>he's not illogical
>he's above logic

>god created and own everything (so it's a logical statement)
>logic is lesser than god

?
 
theRetard said:
>he's not illogical
>he's above logic

>god created and own everything (so it's a logical statement)
>logic is lesser than god

?
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Youre unable to process that the way I express it does not affect how it is in reality
The fact that I use logic does not mean God is lesser than it in any way
 
tomahawk said:
Youre unable to process that the way I express it does not affect how it is in reality
The fact that I use logic does not mean God is lesser than it in any way
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if he's above logic then how are you able to say something about him?
 
theRetard said:
if he's above logic then how are you able to say something about him?
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If one is willing to use a phone it doesn't mean that they're lesser than them
Analogously to that if God wills to use logic as a system of thought and reason it doesn't mean He is lesser than it, He can change it anytime
And I can tell things about him since He sent us the message
 
tomahawk said:
If one is willing to use a phone it doesn't mean that they're lesser than them
Analogously to that if God wills to use logic as a system of thought and reason it doesn't mean He is lesser than it, He can change it anytime
And I can tell things about him since He sent us the message
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it's a false analogy though cuz logic and it's laws are fundamental things, god being above logic makes his own self incoherent and he doesn't exist (because existence is a logical thing)
 
theRetard said:
it's a false analogy though cuz logic and it's laws are fundamental things, god being above logic makes his own self incoherent and he doesn't exist (because existence is a logical thing)
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God predates logic as a fundamental understanding, it doesn't make Him incoherent but powerful
 
Something being fundamental does not change the context to extents enough to call it false
 
theRetard said:
can you explain it more in detail? otherwise it's an incoherent word salad
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God is rather more fundamental than logic, logic comes after God, and the analogy does not become false just because logic is fundamental - its still a system of our use
And I cannot understand how is existence necessarily logical, its just a fact
 
He is the Creator of logics and He is greater than it, He is powerful in a way that he isn't dependent on it
 
tomahawk said:
God is rather more fundamental than logic, logic comes after God, and the analogy does not become false just because logic is fundamental - its still a system of our use
And I cannot understand how is existence necessarily logical, its just a fact
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if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?
tomahawk said:
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that God is above logics
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what's the difference?
 
theRetard said:
if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?

what's the difference?
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theRetard said:
if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?

what's the difference?
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No that just means that he is not to be grasped fully by human logic
 
theRetard said:
god being illogical (or how you claim, above logic) it's already a logical statement
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Its logical because its the only level I can explain it at, and being above logic IS NOT being illogical, I don't see reason for this debate since you can't come to understand
 
tomahawk said:
Its logical because its the only level I can explain it at, and being above logic IS NOT being illogical, I don't see reason for this debate since you can't come to understand
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if you can only explain it on logical level, and by your definition god is above logic (the same as illogical btw), you cannot explain your position properly since it's just incoherent
 
theRetard said:
if you can only explain it on logical level, and by your definition god is above logic (the same as illogical btw), you cannot explain your position properly since it's just incoherent
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Above logics doesn't equal illogical, and I can only explain it to an extent I can grasp, I won't be able to understand the entirety of God since that would include His endless knowledge
 
tomahawk said:
Above logics doesn't equal illogical, and I can only explain it to an extent I can grasp, I won't be able to understand the entirety of God since that would include His endless knowledge
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if god is illogical (how you claim, ABOVE logic) then you are not able to say something coherent about him, that's the reason, because reason as an ability to think uses logic by definition. so you cannot think about that god, just in the same way we cannot think about non-being, because non-being doesn't exist (except that it's a linguistic construct), so thought=being. and if you cannot think about something like your god except make linguistic construct of that, then it does not exist due to it's incoherence
 
truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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don’t rope
go ER
 
truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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What is your race tell me
 
truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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JFL this kid hasn't even finished puberty :feelskek:
 
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truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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Don't blame girls
 
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