Social Anxiety is Killing You

[BlackPillChad]

This is aimed at @rawdogprince since he said something that was very concerning to me:

If you can't make a phonecall there is no way in hell you are going to be able to have the nerve to see an escort. You probably don't even have the nerve to talk to an employee at the grocery store.

I'm making this a thread because I think this might be beneficial for a lot of other members to hear, even if you don't have it as bad as him:

Do You Have Social Anxiety? (A 25 Item Checklist to Measure Your Social Anxiety)

Do you have social anxiety? Here's a checklist and test to figure out if you do and how bad it really is

www.goodlookingloser.com

You can do the test for real and read the article to see how you did if you want, but if the idea of doing any of these makes you throw up, you have bad social anxiety and you need to beat it. Even beyond getting laid, this is ruining your entire life. An incel with low-inhib will have a much better life than an incel who is terrified to ask a store employee where they can find the granola bars.

GLL never actually did any writing on how to beat social anxiety if you have it this bad, but it wouldn't be too hard to put together a program similar to his approach anxiety program for people who need to learn to crawl before they can walk (I am probably one of those people, although I have drastically improved in my early adulthood). The key is exposure therapy and continuous progress (much like lifting weights). I'll put designing the Social Anxiety Program on my list of things I want to do for the forum (it will most likely include the above items, with some easier ones to do first and harder ones to do later).

Someone at @rawdogprince 's level probably needs professional therapy or even medical treatment (it could be a hormonal problem). It's a damn shame he can't even call for help.

 

[Deleted member 110]

Most of the things on this list are autistic but yeah I couldnt do them.

Most people have social anxiety because they grew up looking ugly and being outcast, never learning any social skills

 

[Mr.cope]

I cant imagine someone being this autistic or high inhib

 

[Ampere]

LMAO some of those are just retarded as fuck

And the eye contact thing should be fixed by a jaw surgeron not a psychiatrist

 

[BlackPillChad]

Most of the things on this list are autistic but yeah I couldnt do them.

Most people have social anxiety because they grew up looking ugly and being outcast, never learning any social skills

I would say 5, 6, 10, 18, 19, and 22 are the only items that violate social norms to a significant degree that NT people would have trouble or even think it is unusual. And 19 / 25 is a good score.

I agree on the cause, especially on this site. But we still have to change the future for the better.

EDIT: It is kind of the point that some of these would be autistic, since that is what would make them hard to do (and thus get a measure of inhibitions).

 

[goat2x]

i can fucking do these but why?
why would i ask a female that "how old i am ?"
who the fuck cares?

 

[SpearOfOrion]

damn bro legit. Like half of those drills are easy for me but others make unconfortable. If I do all of them I will give no fucks

 

[Deleted member 4209]

those things are all dumb who tf actually reads the guy's name at Burger king off his nametag or asks random women what age they think u are

that's not "low inhib" that's 'tism.

 

[xefo]

^^^^ a lot of these are dumb asf

 

[Lux]

These are really autistic.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

i can fucking do these but why?
why would i ask a female that "how old i am ?"
who the fuck cares?

 

[Deleted member 4612]

so a PUA recommends doing autistic things?

they are training you at a subconcious level to do socially unacceptable shit, so you will be more likely to do autistic cold approaching. and then they praise this cringe shit as "low inhib"

 

[mido the slayer]

Yeah do that as an ugly guy specially when you ask an employee for their fav ice cream JFL

you will get weird looks

 

[BlackPillChad]

i can fucking do these but why?
why would i ask a female that "how old i am ?"
who the fuck cares?

Nobody cares how old you are. That isn't the point. The point is to get a current measure of your social anxiety level.

If you can't do any of these you are a social cripple.
If you can do 15/25 you are NT.
If you can do all 25 you are relatively low inhib.

 

[Deleted member 773]

@rawdogprince also admitted he hasn’t gone outside in months, and faps 5x day.

Im not trying to give him shit but that’s not healthy.

 

[Entschuldigung]

Lol

 

[BlackPillChad]

so a PUA recommends doing autistic things?

they are training you at a subconcious level to do socially unacceptable shit, so you will be more likely to do autistic cold approaching. and then they praise this cringe shit as "low inhib"

Yes and no. The idea is to measure your ability to deal with social discomfort. Take the following items for instance:

2.) Say "Hi," to an employee in a store before he or she greets you.
6.) Buy condoms at a grocery or connivence store from a female cashier.
9.) Ask someone who works at the mall where the restroom is.
13.) In an elevator, ask a stranger what floor he or she going to and push the button.
16.) Ask the opinion of someone who works at a clothing store (Do you like this shirt?).
24.) Ask an employee in a store where something is and insist that they walk you to exactly where it is.

If somebody cannot do those things they won't even be able to function normally in society, let alone try to sleep with women in an NT way, let alone do 'autistic cold approaching'. That has ramifications far beyond sex, but also has ramifications with sex. How the fuck are you supposed to hire a prostitute if you can't buy condoms from a woman at the grocery store?

More importantly, how are they supposed to make a phonecall when they need to go to the doctor? How are they supposed to go to a job interview? How are they supposed to go to the gym?

They can't. Not unless they reduce their social anxiety to an average level.

Obviously having less social anxiety than the average has advantages. PSL calls it 'low-inhib', GLL calls it 'social-freedom', women call it 'confidence', but it is all the same thing. It won't help if you don't pass the looks threshold, but it certainly will if you do.

 

[BlackPillChad]

@rawdogprince also admitted he hasn’t gone outside in months, and faps 5x day.

Im not trying to give him shit but that’s not healthy.

@personalityinkwell See what I mean?

 

[NormieWithBigPP]

i am diagnosed with social anxiety but not autism. i have never been tested for the latter but tbh i'm 99% sure i have it despite no diagnosis and i don't see any benefit to getting one. i cannot maintain eye contact and on the occasion that i am advanced upon (either by in a friendly or potentially romantic manner) i cannot keep eye contact. i make whatever excuse i can to get out of conversation or whatever. the better i get along with someone the more i want to get the fuck away from them in fear that i'll mess it up

i don't know what the fuck is wrong with me.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

@personalityinkwell See what I mean?

there is some truth to that.

i wonder how old he is

 

[Deleted member 7725]

We're a product of our environment. If we were treated great like a Chad is or at least with politeness like a normie then we wouldn't have social anxiety. If people treat you in a way that openly shows they don't like you or want to avoid you then you will grow scared of talking to people. That's the case with me. If I say anything past a monotone "How's it going" then I get the eww eyes from girls or made fun of by guys.

 

[Virgincel]

I can't do most of them, not even on a massive nofap streak, it's @Over for me

 

[Deleted member 773]

@personalityinkwell See what I mean?

Stfu, rotting inside and fapping has nothing to do with personality. It will objectively lower your testosterone and make you look and feel worse

 

[Deleted member 4612]

6.) Buy condoms at a grocery or connivence store from a female cashier.

self checkout btw. I went to Target and bought them using self checkout. Then i banged a hooker

although interesting enough the hooker provided the condoms. although i assume this isn't a thing everytime

as for calling a doctor and job interviews, I'm not nervous to do that shit. So I can function fine in those departments

 

[Vidyacoper]

the only stupid one is "walking backwards for 15 seconds"
all the others seem easy and simple

 

[jackthenerd]

Yes and no. The idea is to measure your ability to deal with social discomfort. Take the following items for instance:

2.) Say "Hi," to an employee in a store before he or she greets you.
6.) Buy condoms at a grocery or connivence store from a female cashier.
9.) Ask someone who works at the mall where the restroom is.
13.) In an elevator, ask a stranger what floor he or she going to and push the button.
16.) Ask the opinion of someone who works at a clothing store (Do you like this shirt?).
24.) Ask an employee in a store where something is and insist that they walk you to exactly where it is.

If somebody cannot do those things they won't even be able to function normally in society, let alone try to sleep with women in an NT way, let alone do 'autistic cold approaching'. That has ramifications far beyond sex, but also has ramifications with sex. How the fuck are you supposed to hire a prostitute if you can't buy condoms from a woman at the grocery store?

More importantly, how are they supposed to make a phonecall when they need to go to the doctor? How are they supposed to go to a job interview? How are they supposed to go to the gym?

They can't. Not unless they reduce their social anxiety to an average level.

Obviously having less social anxiety than the average has advantages. PSL calls it 'low-inhib', GLL calls it 'social-freedom', women call it 'confidence', but it is all the same thing. It won't help if you don't pass the looks threshold, but it certainly will if you do.

I cannot fathom anyone not being able to do these things, and I have social anxiety.

 

[BlackPillChad]

self checkout btw. I went to Target and bought them using self checkout. Then i banged a hooker

although interesting enough the hooker provided the condoms. although i assume this isn't a thing everytime

as for calling a doctor and job interviews, I'm not nervous to do that shit. So I can function fine in those departments

Then you have average inhib and could probably do all of the non-autistic things on this list. I probably should have clarified that 15/25 is normal when I posted this.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Then you have average inhib and could probably do all of the non-autistic things on this list. I probably should have clarified that 15/25 is normal when I posted this.

yeah pretty much.

 

[BlackPillChad]

Stfu, rotting inside and fapping has nothing to do with personality. It will objectively lower your testosterone and make you look and feel worse

Umm yes? That is kind of the point.

 

[Deleted member 773]

Umm yes? That is kind of the point.

Thought you were making fun of my comment, thanks for being patient

 

[rawdogprince]

I cannot do a single thing on that list lol.

(I can see escorts tho)

 

[BlackPillChad]

I cannot do a single thing on that list lol.

(I can see escorts tho)

Have you ever seen an escort?

 

[Deleted member 6400]

If you have social anxiety inject T asap,plain and simple.

 

[infiniteorwhatever]

dude i have almost none social anxiety (maybe for very specific things? honestly i don't know never was a problem for me)
even people i knew told me so
i'm just ugly which is why i only face rejection

 

[BlackPillChad]

dude i have almost none social anxiety (maybe for very specific things? honestly i don't know never was a problem for me)
even people i knew told me so
i'm just ugly which is why i only face rejection

You can be the most low-inhib person on earth and still be screwed because of looks.

 

[infiniteorwhatever]

You can be the most low-inhib person on earth and still be screwed because of looks.

i think most people with actual social anxiety are just ugly people who learnt to avoid any social relation at all cost

 

[rawdogprince]

Have you ever seen an escort?

I've seen 30+

 

[BlackPillChad]

I've seen 30+

I'm honestly surprised. You don't feel nervous at all talking to them? But would feel nervous going outside or making a phonecall?

@infiniteorwhatever
Maybe so, but once we looksmax we are going to have to rewire our brains. With above average social anxiety, we might as well start now.

 

[jackthenerd]

I've seen 30+

And you're doing this in the US? Don't they ask for ID or some shit? How do they screen you? This process always sounded sketchy as fuck to me, which is why I'd probably prefer to stay in countries where it's legal, so you don't have to do the screening bullshit.

 

[BigBoy]

I really need help with social anciety ngl. Im afraid to talk to people irl.

 

[BlackPillChad]

I really need help with social anciety ngl. Im afraid to talk to people irl.

You should give this a watch. I've been looking into info on exposure therapy and this is good:


How is the water fast going?

 

[BigBoy]

You should give this a watch. I've been looking into info on exposure therapy and this is good:


How is the water fast going?

Its going good just one more day.

 

[rawdogprince]

I'm honestly surprised. You don't feel nervous at all talking to them? But would feel nervous going outside or making a phonecall?

@infiniteorwhatever
Maybe so, but once we looksmax we are going to have to rewire our brains. With above average social anxiety, we might as well start now.

i got over it through exposure (took 2 years of doing it regularly before I wasn't nervous). I've done it probably 200 times at this point. That didn't transfer over to any other aspect of my life though. Still can't use the phone or talk to the cashier.

 

[rawdogprince]

And you're doing this in the US? Don't they ask for ID or some shit? How do they screen you? This process always sounded sketchy as fuck to me, which is why I'd probably prefer to stay in countries where it's legal, so you don't have to do the screening bullshit.

In US. Some do ask for ID and I used to just not give a fuck and gave it to them because I was planning on roping anyways. Once you meet a few you can just use the others as references. Also some websites will screen for you or let providers rate you as safe so you don't have to deal with it.

 

[rawdogprince]

Well actually I lied. It did help me socially a lot. I can survive 1 on 1 conversations in private settings now. But still a wreck in every other social situation.

 

[BlackPillChad]

Well actually I lied. It did help me socially a lot. I can survive 1 on 1 conversations in private settings now. But still a wreck in every other social situation.

I see. That's honestly extremely impressive and says something about your determination, I couldn't even imagine trying to see a prostitute if I couldn't talk to the cashier. It makes sense that you are better at handling 1 on 1 conversations because you trained your brain to get used to that kind of situation.

Right now I am working on a guide to beating severe social anxiety on that level. I will @ you once I finish it.

In the meantime here is a video on Exposure Therapy that is helping me with the design of my guide:

 

[jackthenerd]

Well actually I lied. It did help me socially a lot. I can survive 1 on 1 conversations in private settings now. But still a wreck in every other social situation.

Btw do you ever talk to them? Have you asked any interesting questions yet? Done any "social experiments" so to speak with questions? (ie asking the same questions to multiple escorts, and then compling a mental report or something)

Honestly one thing I'd be really curious to know is. How many customers do they get? Some of their prices are kinda absurd, it surely can't be more than a couple a week? Do they do it full time? etc. Idk if it would be rude to ask tho

 

[rawdogprince]

Btw do you ever talk to them? Have you asked any interesting questions yet? Done any "social experiments" so to speak with questions? (ie asking the same questions to multiple escorts, and then compling a mental report or something)

Honestly one thing I'd be really curious to know is. How many customers do they get? Some of their prices are kinda absurd, it surely can't be more than a couple a week? Do they do it full time? etc

I talk to them but I'm autistic so it's mostly me just sitting there smiling and nodding while they tell me stories or talk about normie chit. Common conversation topics with them are usually sex, escorts, food, traveling, family, work, Netflix, video games etc... I only ever got close to 1 that I saw regularly for over a year and told her all my problems and would use her as a therapist but she would always dominate the conversations outside of me complaining.

I've never done social experiments of any kind.

It depends on their price range. At least in California anyone under $500 will frequently see multiple clients a day. $300 is sorta the baseline and those girls are high volume. They don't typically take appointments. They will just post an ad and see like 5 guys that day.

GIrls who are $700/hr+ will see a few clients a week by appointment and not usually more than 1-2 a day. Most of their clients are ballers who will hire them for 4 hours at a time though.

It all depends though. I have heard of girls who struggle to get clients and make ends meet (black girls and sub 3s) while I had a $1000/hr escort show me her 17,000 unread messages in her escort email.

Not sure what you mean by full time. It's rare to find a girl who does it super consistently as in 5 days a week. A lot will only work a few days a month. Or they will work a lot for a few months and then take months off. Many have real jobs and this is just a side thing but a lot also use it as their only source of income. It just depends on the girl.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

I talk to them but I'm autistic so it's mostly me just sitting there smiling and nodding while they tell me stories or talk about normie chit. Common conversation topics with them are usually sex, escorts, food, traveling, family, work, Netflix, video games etc... I only ever got close to 1 that I saw regularly for over a year and told her all my problems and would use her as a therapist but she would always dominate the conversations outside of me complaining.

I've never done social experiments of any kind.

It depends on their price range. At least in California anyone under $500 will frequently see multiple clients a day. $300 is sorta the baseline and those girls are high volume. They don't typically take appointments. They will just post an ad and see like 5 guys that day.

GIrls who are $700/hr+ will see a few clients a week by appointment and not usually more than 1-2 a day. Most of their clients are ballers who will hire them for 4 hours at a time though.

It all depends though. I have heard of girls who struggle to get clients and make ends meet (black girls and sub 3s) while I had a $1000/hr escort show me her 17,000 unread messages in her escort email.

Not sure what you mean by full time. It's rare to find a girl who does it super consistently as in 5 days a week. A lot will only work a few days a month. Or they will work a lot for a few months and then take months off. Many have real jobs and this is just a side thing but a lot also use it as their only source of income. It just depends on the girl.

Are you Imbored brah ?

 

[RAITEIII]

This is aimed at @rawdogprince since he said something that was very concerning to me:

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If you can't make a phonecall there is no way in hell you are going to be able to have the nerve to see an escort. You probably don't even have the nerve to talk to an employee at the grocery store.

I'm making this a thread because I think this might be beneficial for a lot of other members to hear, even if you don't have it as bad as him:
View attachment 518118

Do You Have Social Anxiety? (A 25 Item Checklist to Measure Your Social Anxiety)

Do you have social anxiety? Here's a checklist and test to figure out if you do and how bad it really is

www.goodlookingloser.com

You can do the test for real and read the article to see how you did if you want, but if the idea of doing any of these makes you throw up, you have bad social anxiety and you need to beat it. Even beyond getting laid, this is ruining your entire life. An incel with low-inhib will have a much better life than an incel who is terrified to ask a store employee where they can find the granola bars.

GLL never actually did any writing on how to beat social anxiety if you have it this bad, but it wouldn't be too hard to put together a program similar to his approach anxiety program for people who need to learn to crawl before they can walk (I am probably one of those people, although I have drastically improved in my early adulthood). The key is exposure therapy and continuous progress (much like lifting weights). I'll put designing the Social Anxiety Program on my list of things I want to do for the forum (it will most likely include the above items, with some easier ones to do first and harder ones to do later).

Someone at @rawdogprince 's level probably needs professional therapy or even medical treatment (it could be a hormonal problem). It's a damn shame he can't even call for help.

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