Soy does NOT lower Testosterone

[softlysoftly]

Why are people still saying myths like soy lowers test in humans when we have many human studies showing little to no effect on testosterone with soy consumption?
It was like a rat study used to push the soy-reduced testosterone claim and idiots like @kalefartbomb and @VeryFuglyNiyguhs still pushing this myth to this day

Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training

It is currently unclear as to whether sex hormones are significantly affected by soy or whey protein consumption. Additionally, estrogenic signaling may be potentiated via soy protein supplementation due to the presence of phytoestrogenic isoflavones. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis - PubMed

The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Neither soy nor isoflavone intake affects male reproductive hormones: An expanded and updated meta-analysis of clinical studies - PubMed

Concerns that the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy may feminize men continue to be raised. Several studies and case-reports describing feminizing effects including lowering testosterone levels and raising estrogen levels in men have been published. For this reason, the clinical data were...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 5815]

they're high in pufas and frequently consuming pufas was associated with significantly lower test levels ''soyboys'' eat a bunch of processed foods which are full of pufas

there's a lot of japanese stores around my new place I wanna try natto seems like the only soy product worth consuming

 

[Deleted member 17829]

they're high in pufas and frequently consuming pufas was associated with significantly lower test levels ''soyboys'' eat a bunch of processed foods which are full of pufas

there's a lot of japanese stores around my new place I wanna try natto seems like the only soy product worth consuming View attachment 1817427

so basically stay away from processed foods not necessarily soy?

 

[softlysoftly]

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this disproves nothing you stupid mong respond with data and evidence or go back to spamming memes and emojis like 10 year old in someone elses thread

 

[softlysoftly]

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your sub 50 IQ friend @germanlooks seems to agree with memes and emojis instead of facts go figure

 

[softlysoftly]

so many replies trying to make fun of me with memes but not a single peer reviewed publication to disprove anything
clowns

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

so many replies trying to make fun of me with memes but not a single peer reviewed publication to disprove anything
clowns

Don't eat soy it's harmful

 

[softlysoftly]

Don't eat soy it's harmful

explain why and show evidence until then stfu

 

[Prettyboy]

so many replies trying to make fun of me with memes but not a single peer reviewed publication to disprove anything
clowns

Why bother with studies if you can just have a peer reviewed physique

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

explain why and show evidence until then stfu

Jewish propaganda

 

[softlysoftly]

Why bother with studies if you can just have a peer reviewed physique

just post proof that eating soy reduces test in statistically significant amounts in humans until then stfu and take the L mate
oh wait they have already tested this and the meta fuckin analysis basically says its myth

Jewish propaganda

muh jews is not proof or evidence

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

just post proof that eating soy reduces test in statistically significant amounts in humans until then stfu and take the L mate
oh wait they have already tested this and the meta fuckin analysis basically says its myth

muh jews is not proof or evidence

It doesn't lower testosterone jfl it's an incel meme
You can include it in your diet

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

Just don't replace your meal with soy
Include it in your meal

 

[Baldingman1998]

so many replies trying to make fun of me with memes but not a single peer reviewed publication to disprove anything
clowns

You proved soy lowers testosterone. You said that study reduced testosterone a little bit. It's logical to assume that consuming alot of soy of a long period of time will lower test even more

 

[softlysoftly]

You proved soy lowers testosterone. You said that study reduced testosterone a little bit. It's logical to assume that consuming alot of soy of a long period of time will lower test even more

thanks for proving you didn't read the studies nor watch the vids mate
I think you should like do what you do best and give andrew tate a blowjob

 

[Baldingman1998]

thanks for proving you didn't read the studies nor watch the vids mate
I think you should like do what you do best and give andrew tate a blowjob

Listen here retard. Plant foods are only good for gut health and microbiome. If you're eating soy it means that you're eating less animal products and meat which are a better source of vitamins,minerals, and amino acids than all plant sources. Even if soy has 0 effect on testosterone eating soy means eating less meat which is more bioavailable in humans and better digested and absorbed.

 

[softlysoftly]

Even if soy has 0 effect on testosterone

thats like my entire point doofus

you have retards on this place claiming soy kills T

They Want you Masturbating, Because They Understand Hormones

Semen retention is critical for the sexually dimorphic traits of males to manifest. Without it you become an undifferentiated un-gendered pawn. Sexual dimorphism is primarily expressed via differing levels of testosterone and estradiol (estrogen in its biologically active form). The final...

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and retards saying soy has estrogenic effects

[STUDY]Beer inhibits aromatese

So this study shows that beer blocks aromatese bozos by almost 200 microL/mL https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16608212/#:~:text=The%20tested%20prenylflavonoids%20were%20able,mL)%20significantly%20decreased%20aromatase%20activity. For lazy: The tested prenylflavonoids were able to inhibit...

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my post was made to like disprove and debunk these myths spread by retards like those two

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

No need to eat soy aka poor man's meat, just eat meat and eggs and enjoy

 

[softlysoftly]

No need to eat soy aka poor man's meat, just eat meat and eggs and enjoy

No need to spread misinformation saying soy lowers T either

 

[softlysoftly]

@Baldingman1998 @Chadpreetmaybe you guys missed the point if you think I made this post to like promote eating soy I just don't want people to be misinformed and spreading bullshit myths like 'soy lowers T'

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

No need to spread misinformation saying soy lowers T either

Your boobs look good boyo, how did you grow them

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

I switched over to a soy/hemp protein blend a year or so ago cos whey gave me some digestive issues

I have 2 shakes most days and my gains are just as good if not better than with whey- sex drive still very high. I’ll get my levels checked soon so will find out if it changed anytbint but I expect it won’t have tbh

 

[bara]

Currently taking a shit so can’t respond with anything remotely high IQ but I noticed this in one of the studies.

The others only provide abstracts but I’ll dig them up soon if I have time.

 

[incel194012940]

It’s not harmful but choosing soy as your source of protein instead of meats, dairy, or even nuts or whey

= sign of cuck, high estrogen, someone I don’t wanna associate with

 

[incel194012940]

soy tastes like industrial waste product compared to meat

how hard is it really to just eat a steak? Lol

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

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Let’s see your physique boyo?

 

[softlysoftly]

Let’s see your physique boyo?

he doesn't workout he just sits behind his laptop jacking off to ramirez and elias depoop pictures while amassing a staggering 14,000+ posts on an incel board
he is like one of the biggest low iq dogs to post here

 

[softlysoftly]

Currently taking a shit so can’t respond with anything remotely high IQ but I noticed this in one of the studies.

The others only provide abstracts but I’ll dig them up soon if I have time.

jw is just a company for protein shakes and vitamins no? Are they like primary soy producers or something like that

 

[Deleted member 20379]

Soy causes hormonal imbalance because it binds to hormone receptors. why would you want to mess with your hormone receptors?

 

[bara]

 

[softlysoftly]

Listen here retard. Plant foods are only good for gut health and microbiome. If you're eating soy it means that you're eating less animal products and meat which are a better source of vitamins,minerals, and amino acids than all plant sources. Even if soy has 0 effect on testosterone eating soy means eating less meat which is more bioavailable in humans and better digested and absorbed.

Your boobs look good boyo, how did you grow them

Soy isoflavones lower serum total and LDL cholesterol in humans: a meta-analysis of 11 randomized controlled trials - PubMed

Soy isoflavones significantly reduced serum total and LDL cholesterol but did not change HDL cholesterol and triacylglycerol. Soy protein that contained enriched or depleted isoflavones also significantly improved lipid profiles. Reductions in LDL cholesterol were larger in hypercholesterolemic...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5409663/

Insights gained from 20 years of soy research - PubMed

Soyfoods have long been recognized for their high-protein and low-saturated fat content, but over the past 20 y an impressive amount of soy-related research has evaluated the role of these foods in reducing chronic disease risk. Much of this research has been undertaken because the soybean is...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soya products and serum lipids: a meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials - PubMed

Soya proteins and isoflavones have been reported to exert beneficial effects on the serum lipid profile. More recently, this claim is being challenged. The objective of this study was to comprehensively examine the effects of soya consumption on the lipid profile using published trials. A...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A meta-analysis of the effect of soy protein supplementation on serum lipids - PubMed

Hypercholesterolemia is a major modifiable risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Some, but not all, studies have shown that soy protein intake decreases total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides and increases high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. The objective of this...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soya products and serum lipids: a meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials - PubMed

Soya proteins and isoflavones have been reported to exert beneficial effects on the serum lipid profile. More recently, this claim is being challenged. The objective of this study was to comprehensively examine the effects of soya consumption on the lipid profile using published trials. A...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[serbiangandy]

Soy isoflavones lower serum total and LDL cholesterol in humans: a meta-analysis of 11 randomized controlled trials - PubMed

Soy isoflavones significantly reduced serum total and LDL cholesterol but did not change HDL cholesterol and triacylglycerol. Soy protein that contained enriched or depleted isoflavones also significantly improved lipid profiles. Reductions in LDL cholesterol were larger in hypercholesterolemic...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5409663/

Insights gained from 20 years of soy research - PubMed

Soyfoods have long been recognized for their high-protein and low-saturated fat content, but over the past 20 y an impressive amount of soy-related research has evaluated the role of these foods in reducing chronic disease risk. Much of this research has been undertaken because the soybean is...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soya products and serum lipids: a meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials - PubMed

Soya proteins and isoflavones have been reported to exert beneficial effects on the serum lipid profile. More recently, this claim is being challenged. The objective of this study was to comprehensively examine the effects of soya consumption on the lipid profile using published trials. A...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A meta-analysis of the effect of soy protein supplementation on serum lipids - PubMed

Hypercholesterolemia is a major modifiable risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Some, but not all, studies have shown that soy protein intake decreases total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides and increases high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. The objective of this...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soya products and serum lipids: a meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials - PubMed

Soya proteins and isoflavones have been reported to exert beneficial effects on the serum lipid profile. More recently, this claim is being challenged. The objective of this study was to comprehensively examine the effects of soya consumption on the lipid profile using published trials. A...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank goodness that the entire modern food industry doesn’t rely on soy, so therefore no one has any incentive to fabricate these “studies” and upset the processed food industry! Srsly look up the replication crisis, modern studies are bunk

 

[Baldingman1998]

Thank goodness that the entire modern food industry doesn’t rely on soy, so therefore no one has any incentive to fabricate these “studies” and upset the processed food industry! Srsly look up the replication crisis, modern studies are bunk

Some studies say bald men are attractive and that 5'7 is ideal height. Jfl at believing everything is legitimate.

 

[softlysoftly]

Thank goodness that the entire modern food industry doesn’t rely on soy, so therefore no one has any incentive to fabricate these “studies” and upset the processed food industry! Srsly look up the replication crisis, modern studies are bunk

muh bunk just because it doesn't align with your personal beliefs

Some studies say bald men are attractive and that 5'7 is ideal height. Jfl at believing everything is legitimate.

those are easily debunked and not reputable sources ever jfl like I can't believe you are trying to equate that to nutrition I know you never worked in this field at all

 

[serbiangandy]

muh bunk just because it doesn't align with your personal beliefs

those are easily debunked and not reputable sources ever jfl like I can't believe you are trying to equate that to nutrition I know you never worked in this field at all

Why would the mainstream food industry ever do anything beneficial to the customer? They are in bed with big pharma, and the food they serve makes people sickly, hormonally unbalanced husks. There is no money in healthy people, and no money in dead people. The money is somewhere between. My point here is that soy = good nutrition is a ultra mainstream narrative (eat ze bugs, don't eat meat etc) so the mainstream research industry is never going to release a serious study that discredits the mainstream narrative.

 

[softlysoftly]

Why would the mainstream food industry ever do anything beneficial to the customer? They are in bed with big pharma, and the food they serve makes people sickly, hormonally unbalanced husks. There is no money in healthy people, and no money in dead people. The money is somewhere between. My point here is that soy = good nutrition is a ultra mainstream narrative (eat ze bugs, don't eat meat etc) so the mainstream research industry is never going to release a serious study that discredits the mainstream narrative.

you are conflating shit big time

the only 'mainstream' shit you need you need to avoid are things like fast food restaurants because they serve processed foods that are super high calorie, hyperpalatable, and insufficient micronutrition
and you actually see plenty of research on this despite the fast food industry being a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR industry, how the fuck do you explain that???? According to your shit logic there should be ZERO research going against "the MaInStReAm" fast food restaurants & processed foods but CLEARLY there is.

 

[serbiangandy]

you are conflating shit big time

the only 'mainstream' shit you need you need to avoid are things like fast food restaurants because they serve processed foods that are super high calorie, hyperpalatable, and insufficient micronutrition
and you actually see plenty of research on this despite the fast food industry being a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR industry, how the fuck do you explain that???? According to your shit logic there should be ZERO research going against "the MaInStReAm" fast food restaurants & processed foods but CLEARLY there is.

Faggots that eat this shit literally don't give a fuck about what's in it. If you eat fast food constantly then you have no will power or no dieting knowledge. Soy however is relevant to people that know basics about dieting but not enough to know its bad for them. Biggest demographic is veganism and most if not all believe soy doesn't mimic estrogen to some degree. These are the kind of people that believe these bunk studies about soy. Therefore bunk studies are important to maintain this facade to the demographic that is drinking soy milk and eating tofu.

 

[softlysoftly]

Faggots that eat this shit literally don't give a fuck about what's in it. If you eat fast food constantly then you have no will power or no dieting knowledge. Soy however is relevant to people that know basics about dieting but not enough to know its bad for them. Biggest demographic is veganism and most if not all believe soy doesn't mimic estrogen to some degree. These are the kind of people that believe these bunk studies about soy. Therefore bunk studies are important to maintain this facade to the demographic that is drinking soy milk and eating tofu.

holy fucking shit you are either trolling me hard mate or you are like legit clinically retarded
you made a half dozen claims with ZERO sources to support
you actually made me laugh out loud in my house

 

[softlysoftly]

@serbiangandy
I genuinely don't understand why you are so skeptical of this research like what is your basis for saying soy lowers T? You can't pull shit out of thin air
If you really are so skeptical try consuming soy for a few months while keeping the rest of your diet and lifestyle the same then get bloodwork done at start and finish to see how much your T levels changed

 

[Acne Victim]

Old thread, I know. But wasn't it completely proven already that soy has no direct relation with T and that soyboys just have a shit lifestyle?

 

[badamj]

Old thread, I know. But wasn't it completely proven already that soy has no direct relation with T and that soyboys just have a shit lifestyle?

Yep people just want to blame one thing for an easy fix. Trust me soy is not the reason people have manboobs or act like girls

In reality it’s cutting out processed foods, processed sugar and exercising more. But that’s too hard for most people. So just blame soy and continue on with your shitty ass lifestyle surely that will work

 

[Acne Victim]

Yep people just want to blame one thing for an easy fix. Trust me soy is not the reason people have manboobs or act like girls

In reality it’s cutting out processed foods, processed sugar and exercising more. But that’s too hard for most people. So just blame soy and continue on with your shitty ass lifestyle surely that will work

Feels refreshing to get a reply from someone with a working brain ngl.

The amount of misinformation on this forum is HUGE and it always comes from the rotters that don't even diet/gymmax

 

[softlysoftly]

Feels refreshing to get a reply from someone with a working brain ngl.

The amount of misinformation on this forum is HUGE and it always comes from the rotters that don't even diet/gymmax

This site can be a gateway to get you started on thinking of ways to improve your health, looks, money, and overall life but if you take the majority of information on here at face value you are bound to end up confused hurt and lost.

That's like the reason why I make these posts so I can hopefully inspire someone to think and actually look at the outcome data instead of listening to charlatans who post memes all day.
I can't believe this forum has been around for more than 4 years and there are still idiots like @loksr who claim gym and body have no role in attracting women and a bunch of fringe diet followers like the raypeatians and such who spew misinfo and shame people for not following their cults

 

[Deleted member 21531]

This site can be a gateway to get you started on thinking of ways to improve your health, looks, money, and overall life but if you take the majority of information on here at face value you are bound to end up confused hurt and lost.

That's like the reason why I make these posts so I can hopefully inspire someone to think and actually look at the outcome data instead of listening to charlatans who post memes all day.
I can't believe this forum has been around for more than 4 years and there are still idiots like @loksr who claim gym and body have no role in attracting women and a bunch of fringe diet followers like the raypeatians and such who spew misinfo and shame people for not following their cults

We support you brother

 

[softlysoftly]

bump

 

[Xyjarz]

Why are people still saying myths like soy lowers test in humans when we have many human studies showing little to no effect on testosterone with soy consumption?
It was like a rat study used to push the soy-reduced testosterone claim and idiots like @kalefartbomb and @VeryFuglyNiyguhs still pushing this myth to this day

Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training

It is currently unclear as to whether sex hormones are significantly affected by soy or whey protein consumption. Additionally, estrogenic signaling may be potentiated via soy protein supplementation due to the presence of phytoestrogenic isoflavones. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis - PubMed

The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Neither soy nor isoflavone intake affects male reproductive hormones: An expanded and updated meta-analysis of clinical studies - PubMed

Concerns that the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy may feminize men continue to be raised. Several studies and case-reports describing feminizing effects including lowering testosterone levels and raising estrogen levels in men have been published. For this reason, the clinical data were...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Imagine believing these Jewish fake propaganda studies ofc soy lowers testosterone it fk contains more estrogen than birth control lmfao

 

[frenchmaxxing]

Nice try, fed

 

[Kamui]

 

[softlysoftly]

Imagine believing these Jewish fake propaganda studies ofc soy lowers testosterone it fk contains more estrogen than birth control lmfao

Nice try, fed

once again a bunch of name calling and muh jew comments
but not one piece of peer reviewed literature was presented

 

[frenchmaxxing]

once again a bunch of name calling and muh jew comments
but not one piece of peer reviewed literature was presented

thanks for understanding an obvious joke, your high iq is showing