start with 500mg or ramp up? (testosterone at 17)

[volgaTz]

My last thread about my first blast:

Spoiler: THREAD

https://looksmax.org/threads/first-blast-at-17-high-iq-roiders-gtfih-need-advice.1942638/

Will switch from test E to P since I am already planning on doing ed injections and why not also get less bloat lol

So my question now is:

Shoud I start with pinning 70mg ed since day 1 of my blast?
Or should I do a ramp up? Eg start with 30mg/ed and ramp up the dosages every week till I reach 70mg/ed

If I am right, there is no health benefit of doing that and I dont want to waste any time..

 

[erickdoox]

Skip the ramp and start at 70mg ED from the first pin. You want to reach peak blood saturation as fast as possible. Ramping up just keeps you in a hormonal no man's land for the first month.

 

[volgaTz]

Skip the ramp and start at 70mg ED from the first pin. You want to reach peak blood saturation as fast as possible. Ramping up just keeps you in a hormonal no man's land for the first month.

thats what I was thinking but some are keep saying to do a ramp up and I cant find anything showing benefits of doing that

 

[erickdoox]

thats what I was thinking but some are keep saying to do a ramp up and I cant find anything showing benefits of doing that

because there aren't any
Your natural production shuts down whether you take 30mg or 70mg and if you change the dose every week, your estrogen levels will be a roller coaster, that will make u have alot of acne.

ramping test p is like buying a ferrari and driving it in a school zone for the first month.

 

[volgaTz]

ramping test p is like buying a ferrari and driving it in a school zone for the first month.

would this be different on test e?

 

[erickdoox]

would this be different on test e?

Well it would just change the timeline, Test E takes 3+ weeks to fully saturate. With Test P, you’re at 100% power within the first week.
and u mentioned bloat right, if you pin Test E every day, the bloat difference is minimal compared to Test P

I mean if you can handle the daily stings, Test P is the 'faster' blast.
If you want a comfortable, long-term cruise/blast, Test E is the standard for a reason.

 

[volgaTz]

Well it would just change the timeline, Test E takes 3+ weeks to fully saturate. With Test P, you’re at 100% power within the first week.
and u mentioned bloat right, if you pin Test E every day, the bloat difference is minimal compared to Test P

I mean if you can handle the daily stings, Test P is the 'faster' blast.
If you want a comfortable, long-term cruise/blast, Test E is the standard for a reason.

whats the comparison of test p ed and test e eod on bloat?
I want to minimise e2 sides as much as possible without an ai
ive never pinned before is pinning ed bad in someway?

 

[erickdoox]

whats the comparison of test p ed and test e eod on bloat?
I want to minimise e2 sides as much as possible without an ai
ive never pinned before is pinning ed bad in someway?

Dude tbh if you want to dodge the AI and keep the bloat at zero, Test P (ED) is the best ofc, but it's a brutal entry for a first timer cuz it hurt the muscle like a tractor.

 

[volgaTz]

Dude tbh if you want to dodge the AI and keep the bloat at zero, Test P (ED) is the best ofc, but it's a brutal entry for a first timer cuz it hurt the muscle like a tractor.

whats a good balance then?

 

[erickdoox]

whats a good balance then?

Protocol	Bloat Control	Pain/PIP	Sustainable?
Test P (ED)	Elite	High	Low (High burnout risk)
Test E (EOD)	Great	Very Low	High (Standard for a reason)
Test E (2x/Week)	Poor	Low	High

The best would be Test E since its your first time.

 

[volgaTz]

Protocol	Bloat Control	Pain/PIP	Sustainable?
Test P (ED)	Elite	High	Low (High burnout risk)
Test E (EOD)	Great	Very Low	High (Standard for a reason)
Test E (2x/Week)	Poor	Low	High

The best would be Test E since its your first time.

how is test e eod lower pip then 2x week?

 

[erickdoox]

how is test e eod lower pip then 2x week?

It sounds backwards, but pinning more often actually hurts less.

2x/week you feel a fullness or a bruised sensation in your glute or delt that lasts for 3 days. By the time it stops hurting, it's time to pin that side again. EOD you feel a tiny pinch during the pin, and maybe a very slight tightness for an hour, but by the next morning, it's like nothing happened.

just stick to the eod plan trust