💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

 

[thecel]

@got.daim @1966Ford @Lookologist003

 

[natelma0]

Single-handedly iqmogging all of org

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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[got.daim]

didnt work

 

[natelma0]

Do you get a lot of this info from cephalometry or is it from a different field of study that ties into aesthetics?

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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[TesticularTorsion]

Mirin high iq thread with amazing illustrations

 

[slaters]

If I have all the ideal craniofacial plane angles why I’m not Chad lite ?

 

[ShowerCelling]

bump, god tier thread

 

[Lookologist003]

Wow. Impressive thread. Three angles to define one's humanity and attractiveness. I like the names you have chosen. "Orbitomaxillary plane" is peak.

I must admit, I thought when you announced this on Sunday that it would would be empty. But you have done well. Those animations protect against any failing of the imagination. You've condensed a few months of discussion and learning in here. Marvellous effort.

So, if this is 50% of attractiveness, is the rest midface ratio, facial depth, cephalic index, PFL, canthal tilt, neck insertion, and bizygomatic breadth? With all of those factors and these ones you propose, I think that'd cover the proportions and archtypes of human attractiveness of both the masculine and feminie.

@NuclearGeo20

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Wow. Impressive thread. Three angles to define one's humanity and attractiveness. I like the names you have chosen. "Orbitomaxillary plane" is peak.

I must admit, I thought when you announced this on Sunday that it would would be empty. But you have done well. Those animations protect against any failing of the imagination. You've condensed a few months of discussion and learning in here. Marvellous effort.

So, if this is 50% of attractiveness, is the rest midface ratio, facial depth, cephalic index, PFL, canthal tilt, neck insertion, and bizygomatic breadth? With all of those factors and these ones you propose, I think that'd cover the proportions and archtypes of human attractiveness of both the masculine and feminie.

@NuclearGeo20

Omg mogger thread from thecel

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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The animations are amazing

 

[thecel]

Do you get a lot of this info from cephalometry or is it from a different field of study that ties into aesthetics?

pulled it out of my ass

 

[thecel]

The animations are amazing

Credit to the artist who created the skull model: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/human-skull-b0251e48e906418ebae34b7f811ca065

Human Skull - 3D model by Sergey Egelsky (@egelsky)

Mid-poly Skull sculpt with PBR 4k textures. I’ll be very grateful if you support me and also buy my new skull model. Its almost the same model, exept new optimised UV’s, improved baked 4k textures and additional low, mid and high poly models in Zbrush scene - Human Skull - 3D model by...

sketchfab.com

Forgot to put this in the post.

 

[thecel]

Mirin high iq thread with amazing illustrations

The animations play too fast. I should’ve made the GIFs’ frame rate slower.

 

[copester2]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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botb worthy

 

[thecel]

Slower Animations with Ideal Angles Indicated

Mandibular Plane (Single)

Orbitomaxillary Plane (Bilateral)

Temporal Plane (Bilateral)

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@mandiblade @psilocybin @AscendingHero @iblamemandible7 @Klasik616 @emeraldglass

 

[tweaqo]

High quality stuff man.

Good read

 

[Ali7]

Answer my dms dawg

 

[Lookologist003]

@emeraldglass @enchanted_elixir @Orc
If you wont put this in the BTOB, then at least pin it. If "My ranking of 90 fragrances" can be pinned, then there is no excuse for this to be swallowed by the sewage.

 

[Klasik616]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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My mandibular plane angle is good but my gonial angel is too low

 

[ru58841]

@chadisbeingmade @Clavicular @SlayerJonas @Lars2 put this on botb rn



or else...

 

[menas]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Mirin bhai, nice thread.

@Sadist @Zagro

 

[Mainlander]

One of the first thread I bookmarked in months

holy mirin thread

 

[JustNeverGetUp]

Iq refreshment post

 

[Lookologist003]

@thecel
Jack Ma is a special example of a subhuman because there is so much that is wrong with his skull.

His temporal plane angle is 36 degrees (or possibly even higher), which is the upper bound of the range shown in your animation. And his mandibular plane angle is basically zero. And there is no doubt that his orbitomaxillary plane angle is low.
Jack Ma is like the Megazord of subhumans.

...And he is a manlet

 

[Lookologist003]

Jack Ma after his humanisation surgeries haircut:

 

[Lars2]

I always instantly upvote, because i know it will be a banger

My temples are ehh, i just put curlly hair in front of that

 

[thecel]

Jack Ma after his humanisation surgeries haircut:
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Wow man, great morph! Way better than I ever could do. This is the best Jack Ma morph I’ve ever seen. Thanks for making this. This is gold.

 

[borntokill]

I liked this thread, post more info

 

[Lookologist003]

Wow man, great morph! Way better than I ever could do. This is the best Jack Ma morph I’ve ever seen. Thanks for making this. This is gold.

You think so? I think it looks like dog shit. Jack Ma's face needs such intense remodeling that the warp pixels tool alone cannot produce a good result. Do you see how it turned blurry? That's because I had to stretch certain parts of his face to create more area to make his mandibular plane angle better and get rid of his SFS. The texture of skin around those parts was hurt. Meticulous use of the clone brush could create a more convincing morph, but the point is that these craniofacial plane angles are a stepping stone to a science of facial attractiveness. I can state how to improve Jack Ma's face in mathematical ways thanks to these clarifying developments in looks theory. So thank yourself instead.

@thecel because along one axis of the skull the elevation of the sets of the points in the comparison are near enough equal (they are within 10mm of eye-level), a chart of those points on a slice of the transverse plane can neatly display subhumanity, and how the temporal plane angle and orbitomaxillary plane angle relate to one another.

In the drawing, you might notice that the shapes created by the lines looks conspicuously like the top-down view of a skull. This is no coincidence.
In fact, when I was preparing this drawing, I noticed that Jack Ma is the opposite of attractiveness as attested by his orbitomaxillary plane angle and temporal plane angle being the the ideal angles if they were transposed with each other.

 

[renos]

mirin this amazing thread

 

[mandiblade]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Utter brilliance. This is what the past few months of discussion about temporal bone width and "recessed" LORs can be summarized into. I was thinking of finding ratios between one's biporial breadth and inter-frontotemporale breadth or something, but using angles in the XZ plane(xy in blender iirc) is genius. Great naming as well.

Spoiler: Snippets from past discussions

wide anterior FACE mogs. not wide HEAD (wide temporal bones).

The morph is a drastic improvement in her orbital–cranial aesthetics.

Good orbital to skull width ratio:

Narrow orbital to skull width ratio:

@ N @narroworbitals

Narrow orbits and wide temporal bones is a really ugly-ass combo.

@Lookologist003 brutal ESR orbitocranium blackpill

The "wide head and close set eyes" bloated/moonface look is caused by there being lots of space between the outer corners of the eyes and the sides of the head:

You guys are almost there. It's the angle of the orbits and zygos.

This is rather nebulous and hard to boil down to one trait, but this is probably the best I can do. Basically, you need to have forward growth on the lateral edges of your face, and the anterior part of your face needs to be wide. Or in other words, the forward projection of your lateral zygos/lateral orbital rims should be as close as possible to the medial parts, same applies to the zygos.

Good insight, brother. I thought about it angularly too before. The angles of the zygomatic processes should ideally be almost parallel (slightly inward tapering).

Pronounced inward taper is bad. Optimal is around 10º–15º degrees (per zygo) of inward taper depending on skull width. Your morph has 7º–9º degrees on each zygo. Low angles like that look good on narrow skulls, and angles up to 15º harmonize with wide skulls.

I think the flat orbital angle in your morph gives a Mongoloid look to the eye area.

This is better imo:

Lateral orbital rims should be relatively recessed with respect to the eyeball.

In the drawing, you might notice that the shapes created by the lines looks conspicuously like the top-down view of a skull. This is no coincidence.

Crazy observation

In fact, when I was preparing this drawing, I noticed that Jack Ma is the opposite of attractiveness as attested by his orbitomaxillary plane angle and temporal plane angle being the the ideal angles if they were transposed with each other.

@greycel @Xangsane is SHIT @symphony @Djimo @Dastan

 

[grilldaddy❤️]

Wow one of these pics are from a former .com user

 

[Ali7]

You think so? I think it looks like dog shit. Jack Ma's face needs such intense remodeling that the warp pixels tool alone cannot produce a good result. Do you see how it turned blurry? That's because I had to stretch certain parts of his face to create more area to make his mandibular plane angle better and get rid of his SFS. The texture of skin around those parts was hurt. Meticulous use of the clone brush could create a more convincing morph, but the point is that these craniofacial plane angles are a stepping stone to a science of facial attractiveness. I can state how to improve Jack Ma's face in mathematical ways thanks to these clarifying developments in looks theory. So thank yourself instead.

@thecel because along one axis of the skull the elevation of the sets of the points in the comparison are near enough equal (they are within 10mm of eye-level), a chart of those points on a slice of the transverse plane can neatly display subhumanity, and how the temporal plane angle and orbitomaxillary plane angle relate to one another.

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In the drawing, you might notice that the shapes created by the lines looks conspicuously like the top-down view of a skull. This is no coincidence.
In fact, when I was preparing this drawing, I noticed that Jack Ma is the opposite of attractiveness as attested by his orbitomaxillary plane angle and temporal plane angle being the the ideal angles if they were transposed with each other.

Mirin observation and analysis holy. this is exactly what I was thinking about for the past few days but couldn’t lay a finger on it
Mind if I pm?

 

[vxd]

I kinda have good mandibular plane angle but it makes my jaw look short and blocky in my front profile. What can I do? get lean?

 

[thejcpenny]

Wow excellent thread. Will use this to pull at better angles

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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bump

 

[Ali7]

Day 2 of asking @thecel to respond to my dms

 

[Psocho]

Mirin the high iq thread.
If I could study in something similar, what could it be because I absolutely love this.

 

[Orthognathic]

Very interesting thread and nice illustrations. I never realized how important your temporals are.

 

[1966Ford]

Congrats on BOTB buddy boyo!!!

 

[Foreverbrad]

My temporal plane is as fucked as it gets for being too wide but surely this can be easily frauded by shaping the hair?

The mandibular plane can be unfucked by bimax quite easily too.

The orbitomaxillary plane is the one that giga fucks you and can’t be fixed without some insane combination of OBO, LF2 and forehead and cheekbone implants.


also is it just me that can’t see the OP at all? Had to scroll down and read it by quotes

 

[AscendingHero]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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What a god tier thread man, you know someone is truly smart when they can come up with their own intelligible coherent and applicable angles and ratios

Few questions as always boss

Ideal Yaw: 10º

What does "YAW" stand for?

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Why 25 degrees specifically, how does it look if you go past that, super projected lefort 3 area

Also this nicely ties into your LOR thread and the importance of them appearing recessed relative to the nasomaxillary complex

Lateral Orbital Rims Should Be RECESSED

Lateral orbital rims should be relatively recessed with respect to the eyeball. Forward-grown lateral orbital rims (LOR) are PSL cope. Forward LOR is a Mongoloid trait and gives the eye area a flat, boxy, "constricted", Mongoloid look. As you can see below: Compare that to the Caucasoid eye...

looksmax.org

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

Low IQ question but Horizon is 0 degrees right, parallel to the floor right, if not please correct me?

Also do you think superficially measuring MPA is viable? Sometimes for various factors hair, orientation, hairs, posture can kinda skew consistency

You mentioned 12.5 degrees on the dot, is that the picture perfect range or can further ideals be met? What about people with taller longer ramuses?

This kinda reminds me of the mew indicator line, indicator cheek line and what'd he go about evaluating SN line, FN plane and Cranial base angles

Obviously CT scans are the best because variances in pyiform aperture, nasal guttering/silling (projection or flatness) can skew these things by a few milimeters but yea

https://wholebodybreathing.com/community/community/main-forum/how-recessed-are-you-how-to-track-progress-inside/

@Babushkacatlady touched on this nicely way back when

Will be going on a long break

I will be going on a long-term break from this forum after April 21st 2021. Just about everything you need I have already posted in comments or is already elsewhere on here from others. If you want to expand your knowledge base I recommend reading or looking into: Essentials of Facial Growth...

looksmax.org

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Could you post some examples of you superficially measuring this from the naked eye on some moggers? And why 10 degrees, why not less?

AND PLEASE BRO can you make some aesthetic gifs, ideal measurement/angle ideals on orbital distance/orientation and orbit size itself (pfl and all that good stuff)


Appreciate the tag too mate, that doesn't go unnoticed

Post kinda getting long so I'll cut it now, cheers from AscendingHero

 

[AscendingHero]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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I LOVE these depictions man, as well as the extreme make it so easy for any shade, any type of user to grasp man

How did you get the movements to loop like that though and did you also do this one in gimp?

How did you come to an ideal angle for these aesthetics, did this all come from yourself and did you manually measure all these skulls or did you tinker til you saw a range that mogs and then did in, magnifying on that?

@thecel

 

[idkwhattodo69]

Can you do some other angles and ratios to

 

[ltn_looksminner]

The animations are satisfying

 

[thecel]

What a god tier thread man, you know someone is truly smart when they can come up with their own intelligible coherent and applicable angles and ratios

Few questions as always boss




What does "YAW" stand for?

Pitch, Yaw, and Roll

Why 25 degrees specifically, how does it look if you go past that, super projected lefort 3 area

25 degrees is the angle I found aesthetically pleasing when I was editing the 3D skull model. It’s not scientific in the slightest. I pulled it out of my ass.

I don’t know what his angle is, but I’d imagine that higher angles might look like this guy, with a very forward nose and backwards-set cheekbones:

Also this nicely ties into your LOR thread and the importance of them appearing recessed relative to the nasomaxillary complex

Lateral Orbital Rims Should Be RECESSED

Lateral orbital rims should be relatively recessed with respect to the eyeball. Forward-grown lateral orbital rims (LOR) are PSL cope. Forward LOR is a Mongoloid trait and gives the eye area a flat, boxy, "constricted", Mongoloid look. As you can see below: Compare that to the Caucasoid eye...

looksmax.org

Low IQ question but Horizon is 0 degrees right, parallel to the floor right, if not please correct me?

Correct

Also do you think superficially measuring MPA is viable? Sometimes for various factors hair, orientation, hairs, posture can kinda skew consistency
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It’s an approximation

You mentioned 12.5 degrees on the dot, is that the picture perfect range or can further ideals be met? What about people with taller longer ramuses?
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It depends on the rest of the facial proportions. Different jaw angles harmonize with different faces.

If your ramus is really tall, you might need a smaller MPA for your face to not be overly tall. If your ramus is really short, you might need a larger MPA in order to not have a short-face-syndrome look.

This kinda reminds me of the mew indicator line, indicator cheek line and what'd he go about evaluating SN line, FN plane and Cranial base angles
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Obviously CT scans are the best because variances in pyiform aperture, nasal guttering/silling (projection or flatness) can skew these things by a few milimeters but yea

https://wholebodybreathing.com/community/community/main-forum/how-recessed-are-you-how-to-track-progress-inside/

@Babushkacatlady touched on this nicely way back when

Will be going on a long break

I will be going on a long-term break from this forum after April 21st 2021. Just about everything you need I have already posted in comments or is already elsewhere on here from others. If you want to expand your knowledge base I recommend reading or looking into: Essentials of Facial Growth...

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Could you post some examples of you superficially measuring this from the naked eye on some moggers? And why 10 degrees, why not less?
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I can’t measure this from the naked eye from the front. What you can measure is the OCD to head width ratio.

10 degrees is a number I pulled out of my ass while morphing the 3D model. I just thought it looked good.

Too low an angle looks like this:

AND PLEASE BRO can you make some aesthetic gifs, ideal measurement/angle ideals on orbital distance/orientation and orbit size itself (pfl and all that good stuff)


Appreciate the tag too mate, that doesn't go unnoticed

Post kinda getting long so I'll cut it now, cheers from AscendingHero

Sure bro sometime significantly later bc I’m busymaxed

I LOVE these depictions man, as well as the extreme make it so easy for any shade, any type of user to grasp man

How did you get the movements to loop like that though and did you also do this one in gimp?

I rendered frames in Blender and made GIFs using this website:

Animated GIF Maker

Online GIF maker where you can create animated GIFs, banners, slideshows from sequence of images. Upload frames and make a GIF or merge and edit existing GIFs

ezgif.com

How did you come to an ideal angle for these aesthetics, did this all come from yourself and did you manually measure all these skulls or did you tinker til you saw a range that mogs and then did in, magnifying on that?

@thecel

I pulled the numbers out of my ass. They’re merely my opinion on approximately what looks best.

 

[ostri99]

Pitch, Yaw, and Roll

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25 degrees is the angle I found aesthetically pleasing when I was editing the 3D skull model. It’s not scientific in the slightest. I pulled it out of my ass.

I don’t know what his angle is, but I’d imagine that higher angles might look like this guy, with a very forward nose and backwards-set cheekbones:

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Correct



It’s an approximation



It depends on the rest of the facial proportions. Different jaw angles harmonize with different faces.

If your ramus is really tall, you might need a smaller MPA for your face to not be overly tall. If your ramus is really short, you might need a larger MPA in order to not have a short-face-syndrome look.



I can’t measure this from the naked eye from the front. What you can measure is the OCD to head width ratio.

10 degrees is a number I pulled out of my ass while morphing the 3D model. I just thought it looked good.

Too low an angle looks like this:

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Sure bro sometime significantly later bc I’m busymaxed



I rendered frames in Blender and made GIFs using this website:

Animated GIF Maker

Online GIF maker where you can create animated GIFs, banners, slideshows from sequence of images. Upload frames and make a GIF or merge and edit existing GIFs

ezgif.com

I pulled the numbers out of my ass. They’re merely my opinion on approximately what looks best.

this girl went from brachy to meso. now her hardmaxx ceiling is higher. this seems cheap in taiwan, will you get this thecel?? I need this for the advancements I have in mind

 

[ostri99]

Pitch, Yaw, and Roll

View attachment 4063720



25 degrees is the angle I found aesthetically pleasing when I was editing the 3D skull model. It’s not scientific in the slightest. I pulled it out of my ass.

I don’t know what his angle is, but I’d imagine that higher angles might look like this guy, with a very forward nose and backwards-set cheekbones:

View attachment 4063725



Correct



It’s an approximation



It depends on the rest of the facial proportions. Different jaw angles harmonize with different faces.

If your ramus is really tall, you might need a smaller MPA for your face to not be overly tall. If your ramus is really short, you might need a larger MPA in order to not have a short-face-syndrome look.



I can’t measure this from the naked eye from the front. What you can measure is the OCD to head width ratio.

10 degrees is a number I pulled out of my ass while morphing the 3D model. I just thought it looked good.

Too low an angle looks like this:

View attachment 4063740



Sure bro sometime significantly later bc I’m busymaxed



I rendered frames in Blender and made GIFs using this website:

Animated GIF Maker

Online GIF maker where you can create animated GIFs, banners, slideshows from sequence of images. Upload frames and make a GIF or merge and edit existing GIFs

ezgif.com

I pulled the numbers out of my ass. They’re merely my opinion on approximately what looks best.

wtf why does she seem more narrow now in the upper third region. lifefuel

 

[Psocho]

Mirin the high iq thread.
If I could study in something similar, what could it be because I absolutely love this?

@thecel bro I asked you a question dont leave me on read