💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

LEFORT17 · Sep 1, 2025

mvp2v1 said:
it becomes elongated with vertical growth. resulting in a long midface and large nose

how would u even reverse that IF it really comes with everyone having downward growth

Mitläufer · Sep 1, 2025

Good thread

Deleted member 86015 · Sep 1, 2025

Do people with ideal mandibular plane angle always tend to have proportionate midfaces?I think so right? Because the maxilla is well rotated therefore creating a more compact look.

Deleted member 86015 · Sep 1, 2025

My mandibular plane angle has changed noticably in 2 years but its still unideal causing my philtrum to be long

Deleted member 86015 · Sep 1, 2025

@alix

mvp2v1 · Sep 2, 2025

LEFORT17 said:
how would u even reverse that IF it really comes with everyone having downward growth

idk but many possibilities. Won Moon N2 Implant studies show that it can be corrected with protraction at certain angles with certain anchorage points.

slaters · Sep 2, 2025

Joaquin said:
Do people with ideal mandibular plane angle always tend to have proportionate midfaces?I think so right? Because the maxilla is well rotated therefore creating a more compact look.

Not really I have a slightly longer midface but my mandibular plane is still ideal

LEFORT17 · Sep 2, 2025

mvp2v1 said:
idk but many possibilities. Won Moon N2 Implant studies show that it can be corrected with protraction at certain angles with certain anchorage points.

mental masturbation.

PSL Center · Sep 2, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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This explains it far better then the stupid video ever could

PSL Center · Sep 2, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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I love that all of mine are ideal

Deleted member 86015 · Sep 2, 2025

slaters said:
Not really I have a slightly longer midface but my mandibular plane is still ideal

Not really my case tho

Tomer Solomon · Sep 2, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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I got all of these (except for the last 1) ideal but I'm still sub 5

ostri99 · Sep 2, 2025

Tomer Solomon said:
I got all of these (except for the last 1) ideal but I'm still sub 5

it can happen. this guy is decent in all of 3 angles yet still looks bad, way too compact looking @thecel

Deleted member 213136 · Sep 2, 2025

Nonsense. Human skull is way more complex than that all plane, degree, ratio stuff. Otherwise there would be only one ideal skull-orbital design and all attractive people would suit this type.

All guys below are chads but what do they have in common? Their skulls, orbitals, angles etc. stuff differs. As you can see there is no such thing as "ideal degree/ratio"

All these faces have something that you cant explain but see. Genetic jackpot or whatever you say.

thecel · Sep 4, 2025

prescient said:
Nonsense. Human skull is way more complex than that all plane, degree, ratio stuff. Otherwise there would be only one ideal skull-orbital design and all attractive people would suit this type.

All guys below are chads but what do they have in common? Their skulls, orbitals, angles etc. stuff differs. As you can see there is no such thing as "ideal degree/ratio"

All these faces have something that you cant explain but see. Genetic jackpot or whatever you say.

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They all have the 3 plane angles near ideal

Lookologist003 · Sep 7, 2025

Hey, you made it @thecel

Congrats on BTOB.

Lookologist003 · Sep 7, 2025

AscendingHero said:
Besides everything else you mentioned any other underrated or significant hall makers for facial aesthetics

Broadly those things I mentioned I believe can capture the 3-D shape of the head and its scale well. If you measure well in the majority of those I guess that you are attractive.

There is one more part to this idea ITT which I will elaborate on soon.

But at this state of the science, the rudiments are blossoming, so much so that a subhuman student could read a few important threads and have attained the knowledge he needs to understand if his situation with women can improve by consultation with a surgeon.

Lookologist003 · Sep 7, 2025

Foreverbrad said:
wide but surely this can be easily frauded by shaping the hair?

If you have hair. Easily frauded? If the winds are not blowing or you stay indoors. Those hairdos look weird on guys who aren't young.

Orthognathic said:
Very interesting thread and nice illustrations. I never realized how important your temporals are.

In the dark ages of four months ago, we thought that it was because of eye spacing.

Foreverbrad said:
The orbitomaxillary plane is the one that giga fucks you and can’t be fixed without some insane combination of OBO, LF2 and forehead and cheekbone implants.

Asians are the group that suffer under low orbitomaxillary plane angles the most. I pour one out for all sub5 Asians having made this realisation.

champagnepapi · Sep 7, 2025

Fantastic stuff

mumbai.chad · Sep 7, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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very high iq post kudos

ostri99 · Sep 9, 2025

Lookologist003 said:
Asians are the group that suffer under low orbitomaxillary plane angles the most. I pour one out for all sub5 Asians having made this realisation.

having a good one carries asian hard. kpop guy mogs miura

OxyFanNigga · Sep 9, 2025

these cant be changed so why care

ostri99 · Sep 9, 2025

@thecel this surgeon will ascend you

Gomez · Sep 9, 2025

Lookologist003 · Sep 9, 2025

ostri99 said:
@thecel this surgeon will ascend you

Do Korean surgeons refuse Western patients?

ostri99 · Sep 9, 2025

Lookologist003 said:
Do Korean surgeons refuse Western patients?

No, black ppl go there to fix mouth prognathism with surgery. Whites too to get face lift and paranasal implants

Lookologist003 · Sep 9, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Related because your animation shows the best potential of improvement. Not every subhuman will be so lucky. Subhumans with a mismatch between OPA and MPA will probably have a fucked up, gummy smile, but I'm no dentist. The animation shows downswung jaws.

Downswung and Downgrown: The Difference Matters

A downswung mandible is when the mandibular plane angle (MPA) is steeply downslanted and the difference between the MPA and the occlusal plane angle (OPA) is small. In other words, both the jawline and the occlusal plane are nearly equally downslanting. The lower jaw appears “swung” down. A...

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Lookologist003 · Sep 9, 2025

prescient said:
Nonsense. Human skull is way more complex than that all plane, degree, ratio stuff. Otherwise there would be only one ideal skull-orbital design and all attractive people would suit this type.

All guys below are chads but what do they have in common? Their skulls, orbitals, angles etc. stuff differs. As you can see there is no such thing as "ideal degree/ratio"

Stop your gish galloping. Just because you fail to understand the abstraction here does not mean the rest of us fail.

kana · Sep 9, 2025

slaters said:
If I have all the ideal craniofacial plane angles why I’m not Chad lite ?

These are just prerequisites to be decent-looking

Deleted member 213136 · Sep 9, 2025

Lookologist003 said:
Stop your gish galloping. Just because you fail to understand the abstraction here does not mean the rest of us fail.

You are free to understand what you want from this stupid thread.

thecel · Sep 9, 2025

Just saw a woman with a giga mogger orbitomaxillary angle. Her upper maxilla is so forward.

@Lookologist003

enlightful · Sep 9, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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What about the rotation of the maxilla?

cakdripa · Sep 10, 2025

@Resistance. Gördünmü bunu

Resistance. · Sep 10, 2025

cakdripa said:
@Resistance. Gördünmü bunu

Biliyom ki bu bilgileri zaten

Tealovingfool · Sep 10, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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Yeah im too gray for this

himooke · Sep 10, 2025

Your thread made it to tiktok brah

TheOsei · Sep 10, 2025

Passed

4Christ_sake · Sep 10, 2025

thecel said:
Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

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Saw a edit of this on tt pretty smart man

yex · Sep 11, 2025

The tiktok kids have already got to your thread

Kill all normies

praisevanity · Sep 11, 2025

I saw ts on tiktok mirin the post tho

praisevanity · Sep 11, 2025

yex said:
The tiktok kids have already got to your thread Kill all normies

saw ts too im pretty sure its his tt post

Lookologist003 · Sep 11, 2025

yex said:
The tiktok kids have already got to your thread Kill all normies

It will be part of their next secret knowledge in their looksmaxxing academy only 20 USD per month

UMIRINBRAH? · Sep 12, 2025

Psocho said:
@thecel bro I asked you a question dont leave me on read

Amceo · Sep 12, 2025

thecel said:
@got.daim @1966Ford @Lookologist003

can you morph me

lurking truecel · Sep 12, 2025

Best poster on org by a long shot

Deleted member 96940 · Sep 12, 2025

lurking truecel said:
Best poster on org by a long shot

best CA poster for sure, im sure some others like lookologist and mandiblade (and me

) has noticed these things aswell in the past but never really made an explanation thread like thecel which he does as the best

Mirin Thecel

Deleted member 96940 · Sep 12, 2025

Lookologist003 said:
Orthognathic said:

Very interesting thread and nice illustrations. I never realized how important your temporals are.

Click to expand...

In the dark ages of four months ago, we thought that it was because of eye spacing.

we thought what was because of eye spacing?

Lookologist003 · Sep 12, 2025

Djimo said:
we thought what was because of eye spacing?

We thought the look of high temporal plane angles were because of eye spacing. But there is a technical distinction you may refresh yourself about by reading these two threads.

Is IPD/bizygomatic (ESR) a bad ratio? A new ratio for eye spacing?

I feel like ICD is more important than ESR. The reason why I think this is that I see people with bad ESR due to a wide face but the eyes don't look close set. I was talking to @iblamemygenes yesterday and he made the point that Jordan Barrett doesn't look like he has close set eyes even...

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What a "wide head" actually is

Is not the size, and (surprisingly) not the shape. It's the measured distance between zygos and gonions Normal FWHR but face still feels wide asf If you draw a line in her gonions, the first pic will be curved while the second one will be straight. my head kinda looks like this but not this...

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sub5outsider · Sep 12, 2025

@thecel will you morph Charlie Kirk shooter

Lookologist003 · Sep 12, 2025

thecel said:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

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